With a sense of courteous humility
Then why do you seem to be lacking that feature?
and not snooping into someone else's private affairs. Keeping off one's high horse, and understanding the blatantly obvious difference between private and public affairs, and that they are NOT to be treated the same way.
These are public records.. snooping into someone's private affairs would denote spying on them, and such is obviously not the case!
You might not have set out to kill her yourself, but you are still HOPING for kafir interference into her private affairs. That makes you look like their ally to me.
Indeed I hope the highest degree of justice will be served. You don't get to dictate how people should feel to the loss of innocent life!
You have tried to twist things about. Yes it has been forced into a public matter, from something that at its roots is rightfully a DOMESTIC matter. One could expose things about your private life that are not inherently a public matter (like what kind of perfume you use), but just because it can be TURNED in to a public matter doesn't mean to say that it IS a public matter in its essence.
You are confabulating, go wipe your drool!
That is different. That is when one commits murder or theft etc against an outsider. It has nothing to do with and shouldn't be imposed on private property of which offspring are part and parcel of that (they are parental chattels, so "murder" charges are simply invalid and can never rightfully apply here). Fair enough too that some kind of basic law would be needed against killing outsiders, otherwise we could be all out there on the streets slaughtering each other left, right and centre, and this could become completely out of control. So yes, it only seems understandable that there does need to be some kind of "law" if public peace is to be kept. BUT when this law is enforced BEYOND that extent and overrides independant parental prerogative it then becomes a patent violation of private property rights.
More worthless drivel to both secular and Islamic law!
Err, look at China, still very communist and they have about the highest number of executions in the world. And lets not mention Stalin and co. Lefties are about the worst when it comes to busybodying, interferences and violations against private property rights, capital punishment and genocide. They hold the worst track record for these types of things.
This isn't about China, this is about Caylee's death, her mother drugged and suffocated her with tape and failed to report her missing for five weeks, I am starting to think that someone should commit you, you are just not normal!
Ok then if you prefer it to be put that way: She killed one as she saw fit. A baby of her creation, she hasn't even a husband, therefore her choice by default to do what she wants. Remember the only loss is hers. Her line will be extinguished.
it isn't a baby of her creation. reproduction doesn't equal creation!
It doesn't have to be only in the privacy of their own castles to be legitimate. Seeing their offspring are their chattels it is irrelevant whether what happens is on public domain or private property.
chattels seems like a jewish term.. in Islam Allah swt has bestowed dignity of human life, as such even a fetus in the womb of four months is prayed upon and has a funeral and treated like a full fledged human being!
Correct, I am too humble to play Allah. I am not Allah. If he really needs "justice" he'll do it by striking her down with lightning or making her drown in the sea. I'm sure he'd prefer just to do it that way rather then choosing a bunch of busybody socialists to have to do it for him.
Allah swt has given us the law to carry out justice, try purchasing a rudimentary book on jurisprudence and read it before you write!
Depends how you define "justice". Two "wrongs" don't make a right. if someone kills his offspring, and you cross into his private property and bust down his door wanting "justice" (for something you have no actual right of demanding in the first place, by the way), this is trespassing on PRIVATE PROPERTY. As I said before, two wrongs don't make a right. I define "justice" as something only in the realm of interpublic relations, but not relevant and applicable when it comes to matters to do with one's own flesh and blood offspring. People have the right to regard their own offspring by whatever way they wish, but as far as I'M concerned, my offspring are my chattels, and therefore not rightfully bound within ordinary public law.
See previous reply (you are starting to become redundant) righting a wrong is very much in concert with Islamic beliefs especially in pre-meditated murder.. no one here is interested in your personal opinion!
No. I think I have now explained everything in my above statements. As I said, when it comes to offspring, that changes everything completely. That might not be the position you hold, but it is nonetheless MY position on it, and will forever remain that way.
And as I stated, your opinion or position means nothing in the scheme of things. The courts will still go on to charge her with the highest crime possible and I'll pray that she received the highest penalty possible!
No, I have nothing to hide. But I have a hardwired thing in me called PRIDE and I will never allow anyone to poke their nose into any of my private affairs (which includes how I raise my own flesh and blood). I would never DREAM of killing them because I love them very much, but I am nonetheless stating to you my uncompromising principle here, which I think you understand, even if I know you will no doubt loathe me for it.
pride is a deadly sin, you should read up on basic Islamic principles before converting .. that is if you are indeed a Muslim!
Wrong. I DO live in an insular world, I have MADE my own insular world because I decided long ago to isolate myself and my family away from the high horse self-righteous authority of the masses. In the isolated world we have made for ourselves we live only with Allah, and only he alone will judge us. Nothing else, no one else, only Allah. My offspring regard me and me alone as their complete and only authority under Allah.
Ok then you get yourself a unabomber hut and live by your own manifesto away from the rest of us, preferably give up your keyboard as well!
Oh I SEE the "big picture", but just refuse to be a part of it and play by its rules. I will NEVER allow it authority of me. I submit to Allah alone and nothing else.
I am glad, then stop bugging the crap out of the rest of us with your demented ideology!
All the best to you too, Gos..
Insha'Allah
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