how christian women view muslim women

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Ansar Al-'Adl said:
Greetings Renak


A list would be too long, but the decisive criteria to determine whether a practice is cultural or religious is to see if it has its basis in the Qur'an or the Sunnah (teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh). If it does its religious.
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Would information found in the hadiths be considered cultural or religious?
 
Greetings Renak :)
renak said:
Well I for one will continue to doubt his words until they make sense and are presented in a manner consistent with truth, and free from hostility.
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As for 'making sense' and 'consistent with the truth' you are entitled to your opinion. And I am not sure what gave you the impression of hostility.
For example, if you look at the link he attached to show where I made the statement, "And how do you think such women are looked upon by society", you will find that I did not say this statement on this post. This lead to much confusion for me. Therefore, the issue is not that I doubt "his" words; instead, his answers have caused further confusion, and questions.
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I understand that you were confused because I took it from one of your earlier posts, but I was simply reminding you of what you said, since you seemed to have forgotten.
In addition, when I've asked for clarity, or deeper explanation; instead of an effort being made to offer up a different explanation, he issued insulting remarks and generalizations.
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Really? Where did I issue these insulting remarks and generalizations? Please show me. Actually when I gave you an explanation you replied, "this sounds like a cop out to me" [*]
However, dialogue in this manner is counterproductive, and only makes one want to avoid the religion.
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Of course productive dialogue must be done with mutual respect. I have no problem explaining the Islamic perspective on morality for those who wish to understand it. But when someone is trying to explain something to you and you call it a cop-out, don't expect the discussion to be very productive.

Would information found in the hadiths be considered cultural or religious?
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As mentioned by cool_jannah, it is religious.

From this post, I take it that you have decided to refrain from answering my post?

Peace.
 
Ansar Al-'Adl said:
I understand that you were confused because I took it from one of your earlier posts, but I was simply reminding you of what you said, since you seemed to have forgotten.
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Ansar, please go back and look at the attachment you posted, which was your attempt at reminding me of what I "said". It is not there. In addition, I feel that our dialogue is futile.

The comment about your explanation being "a cop out" was a bit harsh and I apologize. I've read the thread from the beginning and feel that your explanations would be better suited for someone already immersed in the religion of Islam. I'm sorry if I sounded rude in some of my comments, that was not my intention. In order for me to accept and adhere to a belief I need to examine all aspects of that belief. By asking further questions it is my intention to gain knowledge, or clarify what was already presented. Further questioning is not my way of opposing or mocking specific beliefs.
 
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Hi Renak
renak said:
Ansar, please go back and look at the attachment you posted, which was your attempt at reminding me of what I "said".
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Which statement is the one you feel I have mistakenly attributed to you?
Further questioning is not my way of opposing or mocking specific beliefs.
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I understand :) . I hope that we can continue to provide you with answers in the spirit of spreading understanding.

Regards
 
wow this is truly something for all sisters to read and reflect on....Im a boy and it almost convinced me to start covering head to toe...lol..jokez
 
hafizmo said:
wow this is truly something for all sisters to read and reflect on....Im a boy and it almost convinced me to start covering head to toe...lol..jokez
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bro is this revelent to all the gyals?

take care
 
do men have to see the outhside beuaty before the inside are we that vain ....( alhmdulilah my husband married me be cause i am beutiful on the inside ( but i am not ugly either so i am told) but see beuty of the face fades beauty of the heart stays) and the beauty of the heart shines out (noor)[PIE][/PIE]
 
:giggling: no one ever heard what is covered and hidden is more beautiful than having all things on show so there is nothing to the imagination:statisfie ;D imagination is powerfull:thumbs_up :Alhumdill
 
Greetings,

Well, the difference is, I criticise the interpretation of the religion, you insult the person.
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yea, u kill 3 birds with one stone..insult the interpretation of the religion, the interepreter, and the ones that agree with that interpretation...

btw, u didnt need to quote that whole thing he wrote, as im pretty sure we all know ur replying to him..

peace
 
Shame on men who don't lower their gazes nor control their Nafs and shame on women who like to show their beauty to non-Mahram men.
 
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Wow..... phew... took a bit of time to catch up on this thread...

From what I have learned so far, (correct me if I am wrong) the prophet Mohammed originally suggested the coveriung up of women not out of disrespect for women, but out of respect for them.
As I have heard, men do, whether we admit it or not, often have a deep desire to lust period.
I had understood it that in the old days of the time when Mohammed was around, most men would stare and gorp and women who were not covered.
Pretty mch the same as it is today for most men from all countries.

I found that this covering was originally more about protecting a woman from unwarranted sexual attention from lustign men who were out of control rather than it ever was about women being whores or dressing to incite sexual tension.

This is one thing about the Islamic faith that I think, (If I am right that is) most westerners do not really want to listen to but prefer to keep the misconception that Islam is a repressvie faith.
Personally I do not see Islam as that at all.

I think I can sort of understand why asian people could look at western women from an asian POV and see them as dressing like this to tease men, which is true a lot of the time, but to asssume that just because a woman has not covered herself means that she is deliberately trying to provoke a sexual response from a man is somewhat misguided in my opinion.
Many women just do not see it this deeply, whatever their faith.

Of course, most westerners probably think that the asian man has forced his wife to weare the full kit, but to be honest I think that this comes from a lack of understanding of the Islamic faith and a stupid media fed preconception that Islam is a faith to be feared, rather than a real mindset.

If asian Muslims were to be aware that we just dont do things the same way in the west, and that our culture is going through many changes all the time, maybe we could all learn to be more accepting of the other side.
For example, I think that the Koran lays out quite well that women are to be respected and looked after by men, not controlled and repressed.
The Bible says the same thing virtually in the same way.
Many asian Muslim women that I have spoke to feel that they like to cover, partly because they do not have men gorping and making them feel uncomfortable.

I think, regardless of our faith, we could all be walking into dangerous territory if either side assumes that a woman who is covered is controlled, or if we assume that all uncovered women are trying to provoke a sexual response from men.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but should we not all be looking at ways to live in better understanding and unity with each other, then maybe all of us would be coming closer to the true will of Allah?
Peace is good.

Chrsitians have very specific approaches to adornment aso, and have very specifc instructions about adultery.
For us, God advises against women dressing or adorning themselves in provocative manner because it can provoke a sexual response from a man, adultery can be commited by married Christians by just looking at another person lustfully, this is adultery of the heart and is not a good thing full stop, regardless of ones faith choice.
My view is that God makes it quite clear for both Muslims and Christians that havign these feelings for any9one other than your own wife / husband is a dangerous path to walk.

Makes a lot of sense to me.
 
Shocked said:
Correct me if I am wrong here, but should we not all be looking at ways to live in better understanding and unity with each other, then maybe all of us would be coming closer to the true will of Allah?
Peace is good.
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Absolutely. :) Thank you for your post, Shocked. It was a pleasure to read and nice to see your open-minded perspective.

Regards
 
Attire

The Qur'an says women should dress in modest attire. It does not say women must be completely veiled as the women of Saudi Arabia veil.
 
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The Qur'an says women should dress in modest attire. It does not say women must be completely veiled as the women of Saudi Arabia veil.
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This is what I thought all along, I do not think that the black, drab all over coverings we see in saudi are what the prophet was talking about. I just think he meant modest clothing because it was pretty laweless out there back then, and best not to draw attention out in the desert, my opinion is that things have changed now and modesty is still important in certain situations- like if you are outside late at night on your own, or if you are going to someones house, or church or mosque where you will offend people by not dressing modestly
 
I have a Muslim friend who wears a bandana over her cropped hair as form of hijab. She was told she's "going to hell" by a woman who only wore niqaab outside the house.

Oh mutual respect, where hast thou gone?!
 
shame on women who like to show their beauty to non-Mahram men.
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Oh I am so ashamed.

Once again, mutual respect is tough to come by these days, as I see. It's all right for you lot to slander people all day long, as this thread has clearly demonstrated.

Shame on you right back, buster.
 
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