How do Atheists view the Prophets (messengers of Allah)?

[wilberhum]

doubt it, but yes i do believe they existed..sorta..not completely though but alot. but that doesnt even matter..its like saying they will search the whole earth to find out if a lady at the age of 25 who's name was Sarah Dubster ever existed...but dinosoars are juss a bit intresting.

Ah, but you said:

only believable if its in the quraan

Back peddling, are we?

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Do the Muslims on this board realize that non-Muslims do not accept the Quran?

yeah, silly us for thinking so.

You all seem to be operating under the assumption that if the Quran says something, everyone should believe it's true. Can you rationally defend this assumption? Or do you think repeating your claims over and over again makes them true?

and you seem to be under the assumption that becuase "i dont beleive in something, than it musnt exsist."

I won't accept? How about the vast majority of the world won't accept.

When 4 out of 5 people say "Your wrong". I don't assume that 80% of the people are stupid.

well, perhaps you should think again.

Well, I agree with you, and I appreciate your ability to think for yourself and draw your own conclusion. Most Muslims would consult the ulema before making such a statement about the hadith!
now, what would be the point in the ulema if we just turn around and interpret the hadith ourselves. whats the point of learning without a teacher? your effort in severly hampered.

 

[wilberhum]

well, perhaps you should think again.

How many times should I rethink it?

If you think I have made my choices without putting great thought into it, you would be totally wrong.

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

You are using a book who's info cannot be verified by any other sources (actually it conflicts with other sources) to cite history from it to prove your point.

Anyone else see a problem with this arguement?

yeah, I have a problem, NONE of the stuff i said was directly from the quran, and let me tell you something..buddy!(lol)



Well, listen, EVERY thing I said is authenticated by the FACT that his(saw) enemies, proved it to be true, read the letters he had written to the worlds kings and emperors.

his, is the most detailed biography ever written(fact), and he is the only man followed to every bit of his life.

Muhammad(saw) was the ONLY prophet to have been PROVEN to exist.

 

[Skavau]

yep and id rather not

Ignorance is a vice when intended.

Atheism is the disbelief in a God/s or the belief there is no God/s. It is a single metaphysical assertion.

no, athiest isnt knowledge

That is true. An Atheist is someone who does not believe in a God/s.

does it matter?? this life is all a test anyway! you will see..when its too late of course, islam was the first and last religion..and at least it makes sense.

Islam was the most recent religion? I'm sure Mormons, Scientologists and Bahai's will disagree with you.

oh and im guessing in ur religion u dont have a god, i mean, money just apears there, just like you, and ur house, and ur family... and the earth just magically appeared there, with all the trees and water. just like inventions nowadays, some human came and created the earth

I don't know anyone who holds that belief. I know groups of people who say that God just magically appeared there and magically created everything, but I don't know anyone who removes God from the equation.

You would do well to find out what people believe rather than guess.

age: WRONG..i think u just givin ur age... no offence... and NOWAY i dont want to know anything about these fake religions...

Then why are you on the Comparative Religion sub forum?

1. who is your "god"?
2. Do you have messengers?
3. who gave you what you have today?
4. what direction is your god facing right now?
5. what is your "god" doing right now?
and
6. what came before your religion, and when did your religion start?

1. I don't believe in a God.
2. I don't have any messengers.
3. My parents.
4. No direction.
5. Nothing.
6. I don't have a religion.

speechless ,eh?

Not really.

First, explain how out of all people Sulaiman (saw) was able to understand animals?
and how Muhammed (saw) was able to split the moon?
and how Yunus (saw) was able to lie in a whale for 40 days without suffering or dying?
and all the other miracles of prophets???

Easy. They didn't happen.

where is your proof for this?

You think Islam predates Christianity? Islam did not exist before the 7th century.

here go try this... Go to somewhere and buy a quran..then change the words in it... and copy it and give some to people... or take the quraan, step on it, rip it... I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! becuase it aint possible...and if you do..and it is possible...then you will have a really severe punishment once u dead.

This challenge makes no sense. Anyone can change the words in the Quran, copy it and give it away. It is a book with no power.

maryam u r soooo write... they are just too stubborn..and ranma1/2 i think u should re read what i JUST SAID!! i said and if it is possible you will get the worste punishment of all..u know no time is left at the end!!!

You realise that appeal to force is a logical fallacy, not a good argument?

Moreover - pot, meet kettle.

ISLAM BECAUSE THERE IS A MILLION THINGS TO PROVE IT!! and if you have an ebook about the quraan and you change the word to whatever you want or delete words then allah will punish you for it really severely. please just understand the truth.

Why should that mean anything to us? All you have done here is simply assert and provided no evidence.

first of all islam is the best religion, and the most reasonable religion, only racists and stupid people dont want to know the truth of islam. (U)

You are a bigot. You dismiss 80% of the global population as either racists or 'stupid people'. This is an unfortunate consequence of the arrogance of faith. It is disgusting and it is dangerous.

yea and anyway how many people do you know that have converted to christianity or athiest or hindu or agnostic??? and how many muslims do we know are converts and are really happier than before???? MILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

Any evidence for the above measurement or not? There are lots of irreligious individuals in the world now for starters. Irreligious beliefs are the fastest growing positions in the world, especially in European nations.

yep u afraid u big 2 year old BABY!!haha..oh and unlike ur religions MY RELIGION TELLS EVERYTHING ABOUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN???

Your premise is false. Other religions say what will happen.

yeah u dont know the truth cause u an athiest or watever...and i think..ahem...KNOW that you will be one of the people in the grave that allah will punish SOOoOoO much... with hooks...snakes...and ew...much more.... how could people (U) be so stubborn these days...

The irony is delicious.

Do you look forward to the eternal torture of all non-believers, trueislam? Do you consider yourself a sadist?

oh no i dont say that im right and everyone else is wrong, i just try to show the obviousness of islam and other religions. thanks

You're not doing very well.

 

[Gator]

1. think??? lol...and also you answered all WRONG!! you guys are bad at answering

Hi, could you give me the right anwers?

oh no i dont say that im right and everyone else is wrong, i just try to show the obviousness of islam and other religions. thanks

I may be misreading the above, but didn't you state that I was "all WRONG!!!"

Thanks.

 

[truemuslim]

u know im sorry if i caused any harm or anything, now i am not going to talk about this anymore. k? k...just ask other muslims.

 

[Gator]

NYCmuslim,

Hope you got some feel of the differences and commonalities atheists have on the subject. It was a good question.

Thanks,
Gator.

 

[Chuck]

Bukhari's hadith describes the flying donkey creature that transports Muhammad to heaven:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.227

Here's a picture of the beastie:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Miraj.jpg

Just a correction, description of the beast in the hadith is not with woman head. Read the hadith you gave in the link. Usual description is simply a horse like creature with wings.

 

[truemuslim]

Just a correction, description of the beast in the hadith is not with woman head. Read the hadith you gave in the link. Usual description is simply a horse like creature with wings.

makes more sense, but didnt a cloud take muhammed (saw) to show him heavan and hell?

 

[Isambard]

yeah, I have a problem, NONE of the stuff i said was directly from the quran, and let me tell you something..buddy!(lol)



Well, listen, EVERY thing I said is authenticated by the FACT that his(saw) enemies, proved it to be true, read the letters he had written to the worlds kings and emperors.

his, is the most detailed biography ever written(fact), and he is the only man followed to every bit of his life.

Muhammad(saw) was the ONLY prophet to have been PROVEN to exist.

"Funny how atheists keep ignoring the fact that none of the prophets said they came from themselves but they came from Allah and that they had no worldy motivations( their lives show this). and why would you not follow a man who does not ask any reward from you or anyone?"

You said a plural. This is what I was addressing. What evidence outside of the Qur'an do you have that these prophets are the way the Qur'an said? (Or even existed)

 

[Chuck]

makes more sense, but didnt a cloud take muhammed (saw) to show him heavan and hell?

I'm just talking about burak. Not sure about whether burak was used for both Isra and Miraj or just Isra.

 

[aamirsaab]

message to all members: Stay on topic please. Don't make me mad, i'm on holidays and all I want to do is play zelda!

 

[truemuslim]

message to all members: Stay on topic please. Don't make me mad, i'm on holidays and all I want to do is play zelda!

sorry sorry...I LOVE ZELDA...of course i dont have the game system for that nomore...i got xbox 360...and now i LOVE HALO 3!!!! especially live!!...sorry off toopic again..ok i wont do it again

 

[barney]

Cripes! Lets get off the Buraq! We cant all fit on the thing!.

I've given my position on how I veiw the Prophets, but I thought I'd point out that the general veiw from Atheists and Agnostics will be different.

Atheists: Most Atheists are not Practicing Atheists. They just dont beleive theres a god and it dosnt worry them, and they dont think about it, so if you were to say to them "How do you veiw the prophets" they will usually reply "Mad" or "Mistaken". However they will not in the course of their lives devote any time to thinking about it.

Agnostics will generally look closer at the various prophets and their lives and actions and messages and make decisions based on this. This may result in " Theyre mad" "Theyre mistaken" or ""Their received a genuine message, but it's got twisted and changed by religio-politics"

 

[ranma1/2]

what is a practicing atheists?

 

[Isambard]

what is a practicing atheists?

Those that are certified

 

[ranma1/2]

certified? do i have to take a test now? dang it i suck at tests.

 

[barney]

Practicing is Ranma, Isambard and others here.
They beleive there is no God, and they learn about theology on this premise. They take a interest in their theology and evangelise it. they seek the truths and deeper understanding of the universe and our place in it.
I call these Atheists and Agnostics, practicing.

Regards

 

[Qingu]

message to all members: Stay on topic please. Don't make me mad, i'm on holidays and all I want to do is play zelda!

Which Zelda?

The one where you blasted Muslims ruined the Fire Temple music?