How do you endure the war in Gaza?

[Italianguy]

We hope things are going great at Palestian side as now in Gaza all parties are talking about national agreement, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad, PFLP etc.

May Allah help them agree that they have just one enemy. Not they brothers.

Occupation.

I was going to say something but....

God be with you sis You have a good heart. Allah favors you.

 

[Italianguy]

we had a very active group in Austin, when I lived there. The Palestine Children's Welfare Fund. Our last effort ended tragically. We sent a very large supply of over the counter medicines, blankets, clothing and school supplies to Gaza, but Israel customs would not release the shipment and it is still is custom storage. It was over 50 tons of much needed items. Shortly after the shipment was blocked the founder of the PCWF founder Riad Hamad was found dead in Lady Bird lake in Austin. His hands and feet were tied and he was wrapped in duct tape, but the Police ruled it a suicide. Later the organization was accused of filtering money to Hamas and was shut down, even though we had a state approved CPA keeping track of every penny collected and where it went. The organization was finally cleared of any wrong doings and a close friend of Bro Riad is now trying to restart the organization.

Sorry to hear about the brother....How can you tie your own feet and hands and be duct taped and be considered suicide? Unless he was very tallented

 

[sister herb]

we had a very active group in Austin, when I lived there. The Palestine Children's Welfare Fund. Our last effort ended tragically. We sent a very large supply of over the counter medicines, blankets, clothing and school supplies to Gaza, but Israel customs would not release the shipment and it is still is custom storage. It was over 50 tons of much needed items. Shortly after the shipment was blocked the founder of the PCWF founder Riad Hamad was found dead in Lady Bird lake in Austin. His hands and feet were tied and he was wrapped in duct tape, but the Police ruled it a suicide. Later the organization was accused of filtering money to Hamas and was shut down, even though we had a state approved CPA keeping track of every penny collected and where it went. The organization was finally cleared of any wrong doings and a close friend of Bro Riad is now trying to restart the organization.

hew

Thanks about warning brother.

 

[Woodrow]

hew

Thanks about warning brother.

while most of most of the key members of PCWF were Palestinians we had a very large number of Jews in Austin active in helping. Every year we sent a delegation of Jews to protest against the Zionist treatment of the Palestinians. Sadly our Palestinians could not go. Palestinians are not allowed back into Israel and to get to either Gaza or the West Bank they have to pass through Israel Customs.

I just found some old articles about my friend Riad.

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/[email protected]/8712911.html

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/story?oid=oid:621848

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16563887/Police-news-release-on-death-of-Riad-Hamad

 

[sister herb]

Actually we have started our organization already. We are not send tons of blankets as we know it is not working. Just one blanket goes over custom or one pairs of rubber boots.

It is just only as drop but sooner or later here are a lot of drops.

Drops make the sea.

:statisfie

 

[Woodrow]

Actually we have started our organization already. We are not send tons of blankets as we know it is not working. Just one blanket goes over custom or one pairs of rubber boots.

It is just only as drop but sooner or later here are a lot of drops.

Drops make the sea.

:statisfie

sister it is far better to have one blanket successfully get to one Palestinian than to have tons of them stuck in a customs warehouse. Perhaps small individual donations can work were massive efforts failed.

 

[Afg]

I can't believe how bad this is getting to the point Palestine is no longer in the map. And I can't tell you how much my hatred is for this israel. When I think of children, and acid burning their bodies. When I think about parents being killed, when I think about innocent people are begin shot and when I think there is not much we can do because israel is controlling most of America. And then our leaders are useless, it is very disgusting that they are paving the way for israelis to take more land and not doing anything.They are just being blind to this. They have one very powerful weapon and that is our unity of the ummah. But they are selfish, don't want to work together or is it another trick of israel struggling to divide us.

Any body who is saying that the way to live side by side, they don't know what they are talking about. Israel keeps on taking more land, and some poeple talk about living side by side? These terrorists love to see our blood spilled, they love to kill us. We are foolish to support them, and I tell you now that I don't recognize israel. It is Palestine and will always be.

Imagine if our ummah is united, then we can have a huge Muslim army and we can work together. But first we need a centre for that. So that we can be organized and can work from there. And we should not be jealous nor let our hearts be filled with hatred, because that is going to be just another enemy which will divide us. So it is love for the Ummah, for the brothers and sisters. And most important, for the sake of Allah.

And what we also need is intelligence. So to get ourselves educated InshaAllah and help our ummah.

And then InshaAllah no one can talk about harming our brothers or sisters, because we will always have our ummah by our side, and we'll be stronger than ever.

InshaAllah Ammen. And please make lots of du'a, please for God hears all. Make it in the hours of the night, InshaAllah, make it when you can.

 

[Samiun]

I was going to say something but....

God be with you sis You have a good heart. Allah favors you.

Hey Italianguy, is there any Christian Ranks(Yes I don't really know what it means, Ie: Baptist etc2) that believes in only 1 god?

I can't believe how bad this is getting to the point Palestine is no longer in the map. And I can't tell you how much my hatred is for this israel. When I think of children, and acid burning their bodies. When I think about parents being killed, when I think about innocent people are begin shot and when I think there is not much we can do because israel is controlling most of America. And then our leaders are useless, it is very disgusting that they are paving the way for israelis to take more land and not doing anything.They are just being blind to this. They have one very powerful weapon and that is our unity of the ummah. But they are selfish, don't want to work together or is it another trick of israel struggling to divide us.

Any body who is saying that the way to live side by side, they don't know what they are talking about. Israel keeps on taking more land, and some poeple talk about living side by side? These terrorists love to see our blood spilled, they love to kill us. We are foolish to support them, and I tell you now that I don't recognize israel. It is Palestine and will always be.

Imagine if our ummah is united, then we can have a huge Muslim army and we can work together. But first we need a centre for that. So that we can be organized and can work from there. And we should not be jealous nor let our hearts be filled with hatred, because that is going to be just another enemy which will divide us. So it is love for the Ummah, for the brothers and sisters. And most important, for the sake of Allah.

And what we also need is intelligence. So to get ourselves educated InshaAllah and help our ummah.

And then InshaAllah no one can talk about harming our brothers or sisters, because we will always have our ummah by our side, and we'll be stronger than ever.

InshaAllah Ammen. And please make lots of du'a, please for God hears all. Make it in the hours of the night, InshaAllah, make it when you can.

There was a hadith from Prophet SAW stating that the muslims population will increase but unity is divided, does anyone have that hadeeth in store?

 

[Supreme]

Is it true that in Gaza, fisherman can only fish within 5km of the coast? What an awful restriction Israel has imposed.

 

[Woodrow]

Is it true that in Gaza, fisherman can only fish within 5km of the coast? What an awful restriction Israel has imposed.

It is generous of Israel allows them to fish within 5km (approx 3 miles) since the Oslo accord only granted them 20 miles. The Israeli Navy is also gracious enough to help guide Palestinian Fishermen to the best fishing areas.

Israeli naval abductions and shooting at Palestinian fishermen: it’s routine​

GAZA CITY, Jul 1 (IPS) – “They told us ‘go west or we will shoot you’,” says Ashraf Sadallah. “Initially, we refused, so they began shooting very close all around our boat.”

At 6am on Jun. 16, Sadallah and his brother Abdel Hadi Sadallah, in their early twenties, went roughly 400 metres out to sea off the coast of Sudaniya in Gaza’s northwest. “We wanted to bring in nets we had left out the night before,” says Sadallah.

Their small fishing boat, known as a hassaka, was in Palestinian fishing waters when three Israeli navy boats approached the brothers.

“After they opened fire on us, we paddled about three kilometres west where a larger Israeli gunboat was waiting. When we were about 30 metres from the gunboat, Israeli soldiers ordered us to take off our clothes, jump into the water, and swim towards them.”

The gunboat, Sadallah said, moved half a kilometre away after the two fishermen had jumped into the water. “We swam for about 15 minutes to reach it,” he said. “Then they took us aboard and handcuffed and blindfolded us.” In illegal detention later in Israel’s Ashdod port, the two were interrogated, but not charged. They were released at the Erez crossing more than 14 hours after their abduction.

SOURCE: http://ingaza.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/israeli-naval-abductions-and-shooting-at-palestinian-fishermen-its-routine/

 

[Italianguy]

Hey Italianguy, is there any Christian Ranks(Yes I don't really know what it means, Ie: Baptist etc2) that believes in only 1 god?



There was a hadith from Prophet SAW stating that the muslims population will increase but unity is divided, does anyone have that hadeeth in store?

All Christians believe in one God my friend, A triune God. Have you ever heard of the Holy Trinity?

God be with you friend

 

[sister herb]

Is it true that in Gaza, fisherman can only fish within 5km of the coast? What an awful restriction Israel has imposed.

This happened just yesterday to fishermen in Gaza:

IOF soldiers detain four Palestinian fishermen at sea

[ 07/02/2010 - 11:37 AM ]

GAZA, (PIC)-- Israeli occupation forces (IOF) aboard navy gunboats on Sunday arrested four Palestinian fishermen off the northern Gaza Strip coast and towed their boats to Israeli shore.

Palestinian security sources said that the Israeli gunboats encircled the two fishing boats and forced them to head to the Israeli coast.

Israeli navy boats block Palestinian fishing more than three nautical miles off Gaza at the pretext of fighting smuggling via sea route into the Strip.

Source: http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/...tQUcl9SnqYTcTlVi59op1OVUp5TSnuz/BNIAXRlkYWt0=

 

[Mujahideen92]

I feel your pain brother. Quite honestly sometimes its too much and i feel depressed. But reading Quran always makes me feel better. The people in Gaza will have their reward, and the evil people behind their suffering will have their punishment

 

[Froggy]

It is generous of Israel allows them to fish within 5km (approx 3 miles) since the Oslo accord only granted them 20 miles. The Israeli Navy is also gracious enough to help guide Palestinian Fishermen to the best fishing areas.

I agree, it's bad out there for the Palestinians, however Israel is not acting under Oslo accords nor is it not bound by it. All regulations imposed by Israel on the Gaza strip are a product of Israel considering the leading party in the territory a terrorist organization who fight against its very existence and peoplehood and has been bombing the south for 8 consecutive years. Of course the cause for all this may lie in Jewish state itself but as a country, Israel feels it has the right defend itself.

 

[Froggy]

It's always horrible to watch human suffering, no matter what side it comes from and no matter how disproportionate it is. My sentiment is, and I mean to cause no offense on this Islamic forum, is that situation grew worse with Islamic movements gaining more power. Palestinian resistance was mostly secular or socialist for most of the time and in my opinion more pragmatic nowadays. Islamists will never giver up land that was once Islamic, every peace treaty can only be temporary untill one reaches enough power to get more. And how do you expect Israel to treat a party that in its founding statute calls for its destruction.
Seculars and socialists were more pragmatic I guess and peace appeared much closer in the past than it does today. There were n checkpoints, Palestinians worked in Israel, no wall etc.
This is my sentiment, perhaps I'm completely wrong and it's the Israelis that have been blocking the peace deals and use everything for an excuse to gain more land.
I know a couple of Israelis, all of them strongly disapprove of settling the west bank, all support the 2-state solution, strikingly, some even by 1947 borders, but they've all grown incredibly cynical and don't believe they will ever reach peace with the Palestinians. An average Israeli feels they've offered so much yet every single time Palestinians either backed of or tricked them.
I don't know Palestinians and I am sure their view is entirely different.

 

[Supreme]

I agree, it's bad out there for the Palestinians, however Israel is not acting under Oslo accords nor is it not bound by it. All regulations imposed by Israel on the Gaza strip are a product of Israel considering the leading party in the territory a terrorist organization who fight against its very existence and peoplehood and has been bombing the south for 8 consecutive years. Of course the cause for all this may lie in Jewish state itself but as a country, Israel feels it has the right defend itself.

...On the contrary, one could argue that Israel itself is the terrorist. Now don't get me wrong, I think the Palestinians and the Israelis both have legitimate claims to the land, and both sides have acted abhorrently. Israeli attacks on Palestinians have far higher casualties than Hamas attacks on Israelis, although this is more likely down to Israel having the means to attack more people.

In addition, it is Israel, not Palestine, that is the party delaying peace talks. Jewish settlements on Arab land are thoroughly wrong, and even if they're not illegal in Israel's eyes, they are incredibly immoral.

 

[Froggy]

Settlements are terribly wrong and I believe the opposition supports dismantling them for peace, certain governmental parties want to exchange lands and the current government agreed to halt construction, after a long while however.
But take Gaza alone. Israel destroyed all of its settlements and disengaded from the strip in 2005, hoping it will bring peace and an end to rocket firing, yet things have only gotten worse. That's why Israelis have become cynical.