How do you make sense of monotheism?

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Jesus (peace be upon hm) very much existed, and is honoured in the Qur'an, and is one of our Prophets. Muslims love and respect Jesus (peace be upon him) and believe in him as he was; one of the noblest and purest of humanity to ever walk the earth, and one of the greatest messengers of Allah, sent to the Children of Israel. We do not reject him (as Jews do), nor do we go to the other wrong extreme of deifying him (as Christians do). Neither he, nor any other messenger, ever claimed divinity, or to be God's son. We believe he was born miraculously of the noble virgin Mary (peace be on her), and that he is the messiah. We do not however, believe that he died or was crucified. He'll return to earth near the end of time.

The evidence we have, is a scripture that is 100% the word of Allah, the creator of the universe. Not the word of any man who could have got it wrong. The Qur'an is the last and final scripture of God, the very words revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) via the angel Gabriel. It's message is for the entire world, until the world ends. It is because Allah has promised to preserve the Qur'an that there won't be any need for a new Prophet, because the message is, and will remain, intact. Thus it is fully preserved with no word in it coming from any human. It is 100% the word of God, unlike the other scriptures that we have with us today, that have been changed by humans - thus it supersedes the previous scriptures, while being a continuation, confirmation and culmination of the original message contained within them, in its last and final form. It has no versions or editions. Millions of people from all over the world have it memorised and they all recite word for word the same thing. It contains the central message as already described, and practical guidance on how to live, stories of previous prophets from which to learn lessons, warnings, rules, comfort, solace, good tidings, and in it God corrects misconceptions people may have about Him or His prophets. It tells us what has always been expected from humans since the beginning of time; what He told His prophets to teach people since the beginning. That message never changed. The essence of Islam is what always was, and has always been, the true and natural religion; the way of all the Prophets, the original and only message.

So, next you may ask, how do I know that the Qur'an is the truth, is the word of God? From what I recall, I think there were threads on this in the past, so if I find them I'll post the links here in shaa Allah (God willing).

There's also another point I'd like to make. We should certainly satisfy oursleves that what we're following is the truth. I'd like to give a crude analogy if I may. Let's imagine a person called John, who's been through his childhood and has now reached adulthood. In his early years, his family wasn't very well off, so they didn't hav a camera. He has no phohtos of himself as a child until he got to about six years old. He doesn't look like any of his parents. His earliest memories are from about aged four or five. He does not remember his birth, did not see his birth, or whose womb he emerged from. Yet he knows, without a shadow of a doubt, that they are his parents who nurtured him. So what of our Creator, when the signs are all around us? John would never dream of saying to his parents, look, how do I know you're my parents? Where's the evidence? Until I have some, I'm not going to believe you're my parents. How do I know you didn't steal me from someone else. I want a DNA test. Ony when I have some hard evidence, will I accept that you're my parents. Again, I must stress, we do not have any type of a parental relationship with God but this is just by way of analogy.

We also, know, without a shadow of a doubt, that Allah alone is our Creator and the Creator of the universe, and is our Sustainer and Lord. We see the signs all around us. And with Him being Creator, God, and Lord, no word is truer than His. You see, historical research can change, even do a u-turn. Because it is carried out by flawed humans, making best guesses at things. One day x is true, the next day, it isn't true, y happened. We don't rely on such stuff for our beliefs.

Peace.
 
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Hi Freya,

"You are asserting that culture is static and ceases in change. Islam as far as I see it is just a change in Arabic culture."

Culture could be loosely described as an 'intellectual' way of life. The Malays are known to be Muslims for a thousand years. Especially in the northern region of Malaysia. So much so that to be Malay is synonymous to being muslim. There cannot be a Malay that was not a muslim.

So deep rooted was the faith, that it became a guiding force in the shaping of human interaction and culture. The culture did not remain static, neither did it totally changed. It evolved.

The main reason I joined this forum was to hear from the rest of world and their practice to weed out what has become culture my practice of the deen. As much as the Arabs are the "icon" for Islam (rightly or wrongly) it was very much the same here in Malaysia for the Malays. Their 'culture' became accepted as islamic practice. Perhaps the same in Indonesia (I don't know for sure).

The point I'm trying to make is, the sunnah is there as a living reference, the Quran is there as a texted guide. It applies to everyone. But over generations, things can creep into the way of practice, hence the effects of culture.

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Greetings and peace be with you Freya; and welcome to the forum,

My issue is that your conclusions are based on your religion and not from logic. I am not saying you are not logical or anything. As a pagan my religion is as loose as possible and lacks scripture.

The same God hears all our prayers, we are all created by the same God, despite all our differences. It does not make sense that a god created the moon, another god created India, another god created life, another Hinduism, etc, it has been my experience that committees get very little done, and they don't work together very well.

The only God worth searching for, is the God who created the universe and life, if you are searching for God you have to do something, you have to be willing to change.

In the spirit of searching for the creator of all that is seen and unseen,

Eric
 
Newbie here, just to throw in a philosophical and scientific view. So if you take physics class you know that the universe is not infinite but actually began to exist some 13 billion or so years ago. This happened by an instance we usually call the big bang or the initial singularity, but what usually isn't discussed is how this big bang came to happen. Following the laws of logic and the natural laws of our finely ordered universe, something had to have caused it. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Given that space and time did not exist before the singularity, only a singular being with a will so unfathomably powerful, existing outside of space and time, could have done it.
 
Newbie here, just to throw in a philosophical and scientific view. So if you take physics class you know that the universe is not infinite but actually began to exist some 13 billion or so years ago. This happened by an instance we usually call the big bang or the initial singularity, but what usually isn't discussed is how this big bang came to happen. Following the laws of logic and the natural laws of our finely ordered universe, something had to have caused it. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Given that space and time did not exist before the singularity, only a singular being with a will so unfathomably powerful, existing outside of space and time, could have done it.

Hmm. Interesting.
 
Newbie here, just to throw in a philosophical and scientific view. So if you take physics class you know that the universe is not infinite but actually began to exist some 13 billion or so years ago. This happened by an instance we usually call the big bang or the initial singularity, but what usually isn't discussed is how this big bang came to happen. Following the laws of logic and the natural laws of our finely ordered universe, something had to have caused it. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Given that space and time did not exist before the singularity, only a singular being with a will so unfathomably powerful, existing outside of space and time, could have done it.

If I am not mistaken, this was touched upon in the extensive debate/discussion/argument in the thread related to evolution. It was never really addressed. The proposer for evolution can only argue their case after the initial cause 'caused' the start of creation, but refuse to accept that the same 'Causer' of things to happen, caused the changes in specie.. (getting off the topic here) Oh well....


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Hi Deistguy

Out of nothing, nothing comes. Given that space and time did not exist before the singularity, only a singular being with a will so unfathomably powerful, existing outside of space and time, could have done it.

A film came in my mind with your words and it will definitely help original poster


Hope it helps.
 
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Newbie here as well. (Somehow, that word sounds like a nice title.) :shade:

Islam is not an Arab innovation nor an Arab form of monotheism. Nothing in the teachings of Islam point it to solely belonging or starting with the Arabs. The many Prophets mentioned in the Quran belong to numerous races most of which are not Arab. Which of the stated Prophets belongs to the Arab race?

"And We gave to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - all [of them] We guided. And Noah, We guided before; and among his descendants, David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the doers of good." -(Quran 6:34)

The Four Arab Prophets mentioned by name in the Quran are Hud, Salih, Ismail, Shuayb, Muhammed (pbut). The many others are not Arab. When Adam (pbuh) the first human was alive, mankind had not even divided into races yet this man was a Muslim. How can you say then that Islam is an "Arab innovation" when the direct message is from God, who is not comparable to Man or any creation.

Secondly, the claimed number of many gods or deity is nothing but a lie with no fact nor truth or any real indication. God is an all-powerful entity with infinite power, and a reality of polytheism would be a mere contradiction, since more than one entity cannot have the highest extent of power, that is like saying two humans can rule the Earth with absolute power, but absolute power can not be shared, the same reasons two Caliphs are forbidden. Fighting would break out, and in any war reality would have to be divided between the two entities, how then can they have infinite power when someone they equally oppose each other. How can a fighter be best yet have anyone of equal qualities? There is only one best and "God" aka "The God" has the ultimate power. Allah is Supreme, yet Polythiesm, by having numerous deities cannot have a Supreme being (due to power being divided, even if it is by 99 to 1) and throws the very concept of God (who can only be supreme and not un-supreme), out the window.

"They say, " Allah has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, to Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are devoutly obedient to Him," (Quran 2:116)

To God belongs everything, and by having another deity with a full dominion on any piece of dirt or part of reality, would subtract from that concept of God's ultimate dominion. Islam only believes in a Supreme Entity to be God, and you cannot have A Supreme Entity along with along with another Supreme Entity, because that would cancel both of their Supreme power out and reduce the whole concept to nothing, and the only form of God that Islam accepts is a Supreme one. A deity with limited powers would not be God, and to be more grammatically precise, would not be Allah, since Allah, is The God.

You can't have someone rule all of Asia with full power yet have another person rule China by himself, it would be a contradiction.

The baseless lies that polytheists believe in are not God, nor the truth, but only beings with limited powers, the devils, who have limited powers and not the power necessary to be divine. Limited Powers = Not Divine. The thing that you want to please is not God, but only other beings of creation who can do nothing to tame the universe, despite travelling from one country to another in seconds. A Muslim does not fear Jinn and their anger since they can not do anything to harm them without God's permission. Why do you wish to please someone who is not God, nor a being who can do anything without real permission. Believing in a lie does not make it real, and God is all powerful, not a senseless stone idol nor a fire demon. It is better to please God, than to deny him for his creation. May God guide you, Ameen.

"They call upon instead of Him none but female [deities], and they [actually] call upon none but a rebellious Satan. Whom Allah has cursed. For he (Satan) had said, "I will surely take from among Your servants a specific portion. And I will mislead them, and I will arouse in them [sinful] desires, and I will command them so they will slit the ears of cattle, and I will command them so they will change the creation of Allah ." And whoever takes Satan as an ally instead of Allah has certainly sustained a clear loss. Satan promises them and arouses desire in them. But Satan does not promise them except delusion. The refuge of those will be Hell, and they will not find from it an escape." (Quran 4:177-121)

I tend to ramble... a lot.

-BlueOwl358
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Newbie here, just to throw in a philosophical and scientific view. So if you take physics class you know that the universe is not infinite but actually began to exist some 13 billion or so years ago. This happened by an instance we usually call the big bang or the initial singularity, but what usually isn't discussed is how this big bang came to happen. Following the laws of logic and the natural laws of our finely ordered universe, something had to have caused it. Out of nothing, nothing comes. Given that space and time did not exist before the singularity, only a singular being with a will so unfathomably powerful, existing outside of space and time, could have done it.

Peace to you Deistguy,

This intrigues me. Could you expand on it a little? Thank you.

May God, Who Sees and Knows, Bless you with insights.
 
Greetings and peace be with you BlueOwl; and welcome to the forum,

God is an all-powerful entity with infinite power, and a reality of polytheism would be a mere contradiction, since more than one entity cannot have the highest extent of power, that is like saying two humans can rule the Earth with absolute power, but absolute power can not be shared,

If we are created by the same God, then we are connected to each other, we have a duty to care for God's creation and that has to mean caring for each other despite all our differences.

In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people,

Eric
 
Hi Freya,

Hope you're doing well.

So, next you may ask, how do I know that the Qur'an is the truth, is the word of God? From what I recall, I think there were threads on this in the past, so if I find them I'll post the links here in shaa Allah (God willing).

I found one of the posts, posted by another member, so thought it would be useful for you:

For a summary of some of the key points about the Qur'an's divine authorship, you can read:
Evidences For Qur'an's Divine Origin?

Also, another analogy, if I may.

Imagine you have the number 1. That number can be manipulated, by multiplying, dividing, adding or subtracting.

This is what various groups of people have wrongly done over the years with their beliefs about God.

Some have multiplied the number, and believe in many gods.

Others have divided the number, and believe in many gods in one, such as the trinity.

Some have added, by worshipping God, but then also worshipping and praying to others such as saints etc along with Him.

And others, such as atheists, have subtracted, by saying there is no God.

Regardless of this manipulation, the number 1 always remains the number 1 and cannot change.

So what is the original and true belief without any change or manipulation?

1.

1slam.

Peace.
 
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I have been born a polytheist the very first time I realized there is more than one god that people worship throughout the world. Technically there are thousands. For my entire life I never considered nor understood monotheism especially people who say "there is only one god". How can you say there is only one god when there are people like me who have hundreds and the Hindus have millions. I could never bring myself ti disrespect the validity of another god. Those gods are worshiped and revered so saying there is only one god does not make sense to me.

Please explain to me why you Muslims worship one god despite the religions across the world having different gods. How do you even make sense of this? I have personally become weakened by the fact I am a polytheist and I am questioning after so many years of my life

Quran says in 21:22 - "If there were in them (the Heavens and the Earth) other gods besides ALLAH, there would have been chaos. Glory be to ALLAH; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims."

Tell, us why did you choose only one leader for your contury president why not 2 or as you say created 1000 presidencies positions?
 
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Quran says in 21:22 - "If there were in them (the Heavens and the Earth) other gods besides ALLAH, there would have been chaos. Glory be to ALLAH; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims."

Tell, us why did you choose only one leader for your contury president why not 2 or as you say created 1000 presidencies positions?

Presidents in America do not even hold a lot of power. Americans have 435 Representatives and 100 congressmen along with 1 president and his cabinet members. The president often times can't make a decision on things with his cabinet members because he is unknowledgeable about certain things. Asserting he is all knowing seems to be pushing the limits.
Not even Sweden has one body presiding over everything.
Do you not have angels in Islam?
 
Presidents in America do not even hold a lot of power. Americans have 435 Representatives and 100 congressmen along with 1 president and his cabinet members. The president often times can't make a decision on things with his cabinet members because he is unknowledgeable about certain things. Asserting he is all knowing seems to be pushing the limits.
A 'god' who does not hold a lot of power, needs others and is not all knowing is not a god in the first place, let alone deserving of being venerated and worshipped. So if the reason you worship many gods is because they all need the help of each other, you need to ask yourself what kind of gods are these.

Do you not have angels in Islam?
Read the Qur'an, for the theme of monotheism is made extremely clear:

Or have they taken gods besides Him? Say, [O Muhammad], "Produce your proof. This [Qur'an] is the message for those with me and the message of those before me." But most of them do not know the truth, so they are turning away.

And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."

And they say, "The Most Merciful has taken a son." Exalted is He! Rather, they are [but] honored servants.

They cannot precede Him in word, and they act by His command.

He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they cannot intercede except on behalf of one whom He approves. And they, from fear of Him, are apprehensive.

And whoever of them should say, "Indeed, I am a god besides Him"- that one We would recompense with Hell. Thus do We recompense the wrongdoers.

[Qur'an 21:24-29]
 

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