How do you react/feel to the suffering/deaths of non-muslims?

[TDWT]

Suffering where?

I've already answered you here and in PM, but you are a few pennies short of a pound young man.

You won't get it.

Scim

No, I mean about non-muslims, you answered, right? I mean for suffering muslims, earlier you said something along the lines that they are your problem and concern right?

 

[Scimitar]

is your question about sufferring in this world? or the next?

Because if it is about this world - then Muslims don't differentiate on who to help based on their religion - we help people based on their need.

If it's the afterlife - all you can do is do right by your own soul - and that means doing right by others. Other than that - all it remains as, is empty worry which you do nothing about.

A Muslim is a part of society, an ACTIVE component in the mechanics of society, and not separate from it. This does not mean we engage in activities which compromise our deen - but it does mean we get involved in charitable projects locally and give dawah however we can, by word or by action and deed.

Islam is simple bro - don't complicate it.

Scimi

 

[TDWT]

is your question about sufferring in this world? or the next?

Because if it is about this world - then Muslims don't differentiate on who to help based on their religion - we help people based on their need.

If it's the afterlife - all you can do is do right by your own soul - and that means doing right by others. Other than that - all it remains as, is empty worry which you do nothing about.

A Muslim is a part of society, an ACTIVE component in the mechanics of society, and not separate from it. This does not mean we engage in activities which compromise our deen - but it does mean we get involved in charitable projects locally and give dawah however we can, by word or by action and deed.

Islam is simple bro - don't complicate it.

Scimi

I meant the next life, I mean, you said worrying about non-muslims is wrong, but earlier you said suffering muslims are your problem and concern, so I mean, is it ok to have a bit of worry/hope for dead muslims in the next life?

 

[Serinity]

The Problem here is - you judge the Akhira by what you have in this Dunya - with what you have (your brain, experiences, etc,)

Remember that when you die, on the Day of Judgment, you won't even care for your father or mother - rather you will only care for yourself.

Just know that the only reason you are on this Earth is to serve Allah :swt: and don't forget your rights. I get your concern - but you can't judge Jannah by what you have here.

In Jannah we will have, afaik, things that has never crossed the heart of mankind or Jinnkind.

So what about the next life?

Allahu alam.

 

[aaj]

Muslims like you must be very happy to live amongst the kuffar and to take them as friends.

You like to lick their boots, dont you? How much do they pay you?

That is uncalled for. The brother is trying to grasp the understanding of how to deal with the death and hell bound of the kuffars.

Although he has been at it for a while. He needs to understand that Allah is Most Just and will do justice by everyone so he needs to have faith in that and leave it there.

This is a crazy idea to me. No one should judge but Allah

That is a poor excuse to do as one pleases. Allah gave us rules, laws and knowledge to judge with and made us His witnesses on earth.

Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) saw a funeral passing by, and those who were with him spoke ill of the deceased person, and he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is due.” Then another funeral passed by, and they spoke well of the deceased person, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “It is due.” They asked him what he had meant by saying it is due, and he said: “The one of whom you spoke ill, Hell is his due, and the one of whom you spoke well, Paradise is his due. You are the witnesses of Allah on His earth.”

Where in Islam does it tell us not to care for humanity? SHOW ME!!!!

You're ignorance is astounding me.

Scimi

Remember the hadith about taking a life equitable to killing all of mankind and saving a life equitable to saving all of mankind? It doesn't say Muslim life, it says a life. Allah made all life sacred, which is why you can't go nilly willy killing non-Muslims as you please, like the kuffars do to the Muslims.

 

[TDWT]

The Problem here is - you judge the Akhira by what you have in this Dunya - with what you have (your brain, experiences, etc,)

Remember that when you die, on the Day of Judgment, you won't even care for your father or mother - rather you will only care for yourself.

Just know that the only reason you are on this Earth is to serve Allah :swt: and don't forget your rights. I get your concern - but you can't judge Jannah by what you have here.

In Jannah we will have, afaik, things that has never crossed the heart of mankind or Jinnkind.

So what about the next life?

Allahu alam.

I know but the thing is, whenever you see suffering muslims in palestine or burma, you say things like 'oh, may god grant them Jannah or things like that' and plus, a dead muslims will enter Jannah anyway in genera, so you are somewhat concerned with the conditions of muslims and can find solace in that. I just find it hard that I can't for persecuted non muslims because in general they go to hell regardless of their condition in this life.

 

[Scimitar]

Q1] Can I worry about the fate of a non Muslim in the after life?

A1] You can, but to no avail - because on that day - you won't even care what happens to your own mother - do you really think you'll be able to care for people you don;t know and have no religion in common with to boot - you won't even care what happens to Muslims on the day of judgement because the trials of that day are beyond imagination and terrible to experience - beyond description!!!

Q2] Can I worry about a suffering non Muslim in this life?

A2] It is incumbent on you in this life to help whoever needs it - Muslim or non Muslim. Muslims help those who require help and we do not differentiate on wh to help except based on their NEED.

Q3] Can I worry about the fate of Muslims in the after life?

A3] For answer, see A1.

Q4] Can I worry about the suffering Muslims in this life?

A5] For answer, see A2.

Scimi

 

[Abdullah9100]

could you use some decent language...?

I didnt insult anyone.

he didn't ask your personal views about kuffar. he asked how RasulAllah s.a.w treated with them .

I am not talking about how he s.a.w treated them.
I am saying that we must have hatred in our heart towards the kuffar and not take them as friends.
Nowadays I see most of "Muslims" taking the kuffar as friends, playing football with them and what not.

LOL, true that my brother Eric

@Abdullah910,

You can't seriously believe you can make someone a Muslim by going hot and cold with them when it takes your fancy bro.

I advise you to revise your method in sha Allah.

Scimi

No.
As a Muslim I believe being honest is very important. Do you want me to become a liar and to say "I love non-Muslims" even though I hate them?

 

[Aaqib]

I didnt insult anyone.

I am not talking about how he s.a.w treated them.
I am saying that we must have hatred in our heart towards the kuffar and not take them as friends.
Nowadays I see most of "Muslims" taking the kuffar as friends, playing football with them and what not.
No.
As a Muslim I believe being honest is very important. Do you want me to become a liar and to say "I love non-Muslims" even though I hate them?

Dude how in the world is playing a sport with them a bad thing!? I do that all the time.

 

[Abdullah9100]

Dude how in the world is playing a sport with them a bad thing!? I do that all the time.

It is wrong.

The prophet pbuh said: "I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen"

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

It is wrong.

The prophet pbuh said: "I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen"

And who are you to give a fatwa (ruling) on whether playing sports with non-Muslims is wrong? Do you know what Prophet Muhammad :saws: said? He :saws: said, "Whoever gives fatwa without knowledge, the angels of the heaven and the earth curse him."

Also, if no Muslim ever settled or had settled between nonbelievers, then there would be no believers today as you see them being the foam of the sea (in terms of our great numbers); and that's because that was the primary means of dawah then and remains so now and the tried-and-tested formula of doing that has always been settling as a stranger in foreign lands to do so.

Kindly, and I mean it seriously, please stop highlighting your ignorance and then promoting the tidbit that you have on this board as some kind of gateway to you giving others advice or dawah; I have been observing you continuing in this vein so for some time now, and I have been quietly hoping that other members would have enabled you to reflect on their beneficial advice. Instead, to my great disappointment, what I've observed is that you persist in making ignorant posts. Imam Shafi rahmatullahi said, "Knowledge is not what is memorized. Knowledge is what benefits."

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Abdullah9100]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



And who are you to give a fatwa (ruling) on whether playing sports with non-Muslims is wrong? Do you know what Prophet Muhammad :saws: said? He :saws: said, "Whoever gives fatwa without knowledge, the angels of the heaven and the earth curse him."

Also, if no Muslim ever settled or had settled between nonbelievers, then there would be no believers today as you see them being the foam of the sea (in terms of our great numbers); and that's because that was the primary means of dawah then and remains so now and the tried-and-tested formula of doing that has always been settling as a stranger in foreign lands to do so.

Kindly, and I mean it seriously, please stop highlighting your ignorance and then promoting the tidbit that you have on this board as some kind of gateway to you giving others advice or dawah; I have been observing you continuing in this vein so for some time now, and I have been quietly hoping that other members would have enabled you to reflect on their beneficial advice. Instead, to my great disappointment, what I've observed is that you persist in making ignorant posts. Imam Shafi rahmatullahi said, "Knowledge is not what is memorized. Knowledge is what benefits."

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

Here is the fatwa https://islamqa.info/en/59879

 

[Search]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)

Here is the fatwa https://islamqa.info/en/59879

I'm not a Salafi, rather a madhab-follower. As such, I have never deemed that site a reliable fatwa site because the fatwas are given from a specific Salafi orientation.

However, even if I had deemed that site a reliable fatwa site, playing sports with non-Muslims is not the issue which is being discussed in that fatwa with which you responded. By this, I mean that the fatwa you presented is not any type of rebuttal to my original post to you on not speaking without knowledge.

Moreover, ideas such as friendship or extent of allowance of mixing with nonbelievers are not new issues. I have been on this board for almost two years now, and these issues have been discussed ad nauseum. You would be benefited instead by using the search button to look through older threads rather than promoting ignorant viewpoints.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

 

[Abdullah9100]

Greetings and peace be with you Abdullah910;



Now here's the thing, you list me amongst the worst of creatures, then as an after thought, you invite me to Islam. You may need to reflect on your approach, if you truthfully want to encourage dawah.



We are all created by the same God, the same God hears all our prayers, I try and look on all people as my sisters and brothers, despite our differences. I have had a number of profound experiences, when my faith has made the difference between life and death. I wish you every blessing and peace

Eric

Yes we are all created by the same God, but the difference between me and you is that I worship one true God and you worship shaitan by saying that Allah has taken a son and thats what shaitan wants from you.

And yet some people assert, "God has taken unto Himself a son!" Limitless is He in His glory! Nay, but His is all that is in the heavens and on earth; all things devoutly obey His will. - 2:116

O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's messenger - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His messengers, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. - 4:171

AND THE JEWS say, "Ezra is God's son," while the Christians say, "The Christ is God's son." Such are the sayings which they utter with their mouths, following in spirit assertions made in earlier times by people who denied the truth! [SUP][44][/SUP] [They deserve the imprecation:] "May God destroy them!" How perverted are their minds! - 9:30


Tawheed and shirk can never come together.

 

[Abdullah9100]

:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

(Peace be upon you)



I'm not a Salafi, rather a madhab-follower. As such, I have never deemed that site a reliable fatwa site because the fatwas are given from a specific Salafi orientation.

However, even if I had deemed that site a reliable fatwa site, playing sports with non-Muslims is not the issue which is being discussed in that fatwa with which you responded. By this, I mean that the fatwa you presented is not any type of rebuttal to my original post to you on not speaking without knowledge.

Moreover, ideas such as friendship or extent of allowance of mixing with nonbelievers are not new issues. I have been on this board for almost two years now, and these issues have been discussed ad nauseum. You would be benefited instead by using the search button to look through older threads rather than promoting ignorant viewpoints.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

If you are a Muslim you should follow Qur'an and Sunnah.

There are many proofs in the Qur'an and Sunnah that we must not take the kuffar as friends.

 

[azc]

If you are a Muslim you should follow Qur'an and Sunnah.

There are many proofs in the Qur'an and Sunnah that we must not take the kuffar as friends.

Keeping good relations with them isn't prohibited.

 

[azc]

[MENTION=40948]Abdullah9100[/MENTION] :

I am not talking about how he s.a.w treated them.

Why don't you follow prophet s.a.w how He treated them.?

I am saying that we must have hatred in our heart towards the kuffar

it means you hate their children and gentle people who always stand for Muslims in support and even come on street to protest against injustice to Muslims..?

and not take them as friends.

what is concept of friendship in your opinion ?

Nowadays I see most of "Muslims" taking the kuffar as friends, playing football with them and what not

which scholars do you follow, bro ?

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Abdullah9100;

I am saying that we must have hatred in our heart towards the kuffar

What have I done to you, that you should hate me?

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you Abdullah9100;

Yes we are all created by the same God, but the difference between me and you is that I worship one true God and you worship shaitan.

When you study the 99 names of Allah, there is no hate amongst his names. Surely, if you were to worship the 'One True God, then you would strive to take on his attributes for yourself.

In the spirit of praying to 'One God'

Eric

 

[Muslimah inshal]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatu allahi wa barakatuhu brother and sisters

I'm not trying to offend someone here but it would be better if this conversation stops because it seems not a good conversation due to the brother that doesn't want to understand what other brothers are telling him .
It's just an advice from me .