How do you see the future for Chechnya?

[Chechen]

So basically I would like to know how you see the future for Chechnya. Who do you think will win the war? Will Chechnya become independant? How much longer will the war will continue? What will happen after the war? So how do you see the future for the Chechens?

 

[Woodrow]

At The moment it looks bleak. The people are strong and very much in need of recognition as a Nation. Technically it has Been a Republic since 1991. However, it is a very small country surrounded by Russia. Even with full independence and self rule it can not presently do anything without cooperating with the Republics that border it.

It's recent history shows little promise.

1991 USSR collapses, Dzhokhar Dudayev elected president, declares independence
1994 Russia sends forces to crush independence movement
1996 Khasavyurt accords bring ceasefire but not independence
1997 Aslan Maskhadov elected president
1999 Russia blames Chechnya for wave of bombings, sends troops back
2000 Islamic cleric Akhmad Kadyrov appointed by Kremlin to head administration
2003 New constitution gives Chechnya more autonomy but enshrines its position within Russian Federation. Akhmad Kadyrov elected president
2004 President Kadyrov killed by bomb. Kremlin-backed Alu Alkhanov succeeds him.
2005 March - Separatist leader Aslan Maskhadov killed by Russian forces, succeeded by Abdul-Khalim Saydullayev
2006 March - Ramzan Kadyrov, son of assassinated president Akhmad Kadyrov, becomes PM
2006 June - Government forces kill separatist leader Abdul-Khalim Saydullayev. Warlord Dokka Umarov takes over.
2006 July - Warlord Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted man, dies in explosion in neighbouring Ingushetia
2007 March - Ramzan Kadyrov becomes president

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/country_profiles/2565049.stm

The future for them is truly in the hands of Allah(swt) It is nearly impossible for other nations to come to their aid, without waging war with the Republics that surround them.

At least half of Chechnya's pre-war population of 1 million people is now displaced or dead.

Unemployment in Chechnya is as high as 85%

Up to 84 percent of children in the Chechen Republic have health problems.

The entire Chechen population was deported by Stalin during World War II, and were finally allowed to return home in 1957.

There are an estimated 500,000 landmines in Chechnya, and up to 10,000 mine victims.

Security is still a major concern - around 3,000 people have disappeared in Chechnya to date.


Islamic Relief in the Russian Federation

Islamic Relief (IRW) was one of the first aid agencies to help Chechens affected by conflict and has been working in the North Caucasus since 1995. IRW now works in Chechnya, Ingushetia and Kabardino-Balkaria.

Most programmes in Chechnya are located in and around Grozny. Projects include reconstruction, livestock development and orphans sponsorship. In partnership with the UN World Food Programme, IRW is also implementing emergency relief projects and a Hot Meals for Schools programme.

IRW works in seven villages in Ingushetia’s Nazran region where it also supported three tent camps before their closure. The camps received regular food and hygiene kit distributions and had six mobile health clinics. IRW also trucked in 720 tonnes of water daily.

In the city of Nalchik in Kabardino-Balkaria, IRW has set up a Community Training Centre providing people with accountancy, management and secretarial skills.

Source:http://www.islamic-relief.com/projects/chechnya/index.htm


About the only help most of us can provide is to help spread the word about their plight and support agencies like Islamic Relief Worldwide.

 

[Darkseid]

So basically I would like to know how you see the future for Chechnya. Who do you think will win the war? Will Chechnya become independant? How much longer will the war will continue? What will happen after the war? So how do you see the future for the Chechens?

The only way Chechnya will become independent is if it creates a United States of Caucasia with other Caucasian states.

To be honest. There should be a divine law that states you cannot achieve independence without the right to do so from me. It is because I am the only person on this planet right now that can establish a long living country that is pro-democratic, pro-popular, pro-freedom, pro-decent, and pro-just. If the prophets (Muhammad, Buddha, Jesus, or Moses) were still alive then they and they alone would have the right to outrule my ability. Because I am no more than an ant compare to their divine power.

 

[Woodrow]

I may be wrong but I I believe all of the Russian States that border it are Non_Muslim . The only Country Besides Russia, they share a Border with is Georgia I know Georgia is non-Muslim. So uniting them with the surrounding States would make them a State within a non-Muslim country and they would still be in the same problem. Except they would have no independence and little self rule. I know that is what they have now.

 

[Chechen]

What you should know is that Chechens aren't the only ones fighting now. Everyone is looking at the Chechens and are starting to join them. Men from Dagestan and Kabardino Balkaria are starting to pick up arms and fight the Russian invaders. You don't hear about it on the news because Putin likes to keep everything silent and his friends in the west help him with that. Everyday more and more young men join the mujahideen and now it's not only Chechnya VS Russia but the whole northern Caucasus VS Russia. So basically now Russia doesn't only risk losing Chechnya but the whole Caucasus. So I think with all the Caucasians fighting against Russia we will be able to push them out once and for all. Chechens have never been defeated before and we are people who will either win or rather die than be slaves to anyone besides Allah. Chechens have total absence of fear before death and obedience and submission does not exist for us. I think Russia will lose the war, lose the whole Caucasus and we will have the freedom which we've been fighting for for 400 years.

 

[Keltoi]

Just a point of clarification, Putin is hardly a "friend" to the West.

 

[SATalha]

from what i have been reading in Kavkaz it seems that the Mujahideens are not giving up their fight. Inshallah they will have their success. This is such a coincedence this is my assignment in uni. The question goes "how has the Russian guvernment handled the war in Chechnya and discuss the future of that region? So brother Chechen if i need your help...you better give it lol

 

[Chechen]

from what i have been reading in Kavkaz it seems that the Mujahideens are not giving up their fight. Inshallah they will have their success. This is such a coincedence this is my assignment in uni. The question goes "how has the Russian guvernment handled the war in Chechnya and discuss the future of that region? So brother Chechen if i need your help...you better give it lol

Lol sure I'll be glad to answer any question. As for the mujahideen not giving up their fight yeah that's true they're still carrying out succesful operations against the kafir and still have fresh attacks prepared.

 

[SATalha]

Jazakallah. I dont think the russians are gonna give up that easy. Anyways it so suprissing that not many people know that a war is still raging in chechnya!!:raging: makes me angry.

 

[Woodrow]

Jazakallah. I dont think the russians are gonna give up that easy. Anyways it so suprissing that not many people know that a war is still raging in chechnya!!:raging: makes me angry.

That is the biggest insult and disgrace to the Chechens. It is the attitude that the world does not care. Nobody seems to want to be bothered by a small population in a far away country and surrounded by Russia. The message we keep sending them is "We don't Care." We need to turn around and change that message, we need to let people know what is happening and we have to let the Chechens know they are not alone.

I don't want to detract from the plight of the Palestinians, but what has happened to the Chechens is many times worse and it goes unnoticed. Since 1991 half of the Chechen people have been killed. of the few that remain many are sick and homeless. Nearly all are unemployed and they are in the deepest poverty not seen elsewhere.

If Chechnya had been a remote rain forest and instead of People this had been orangutans There would be billions of dollars raised to save them and armies of animal rights activists fighting the Russians to save them.

 

[SATalha]

That is the biggest insult and disgrace to the Chechens. It is the attitude that the world does not care. Nobody seems to want to be bothered by a small population in a far away country and surrounded by Russia. The message we keep sending them is "We don't Care." We need to turn around and change that message, we need to let people know what is happening and we have to let the Chechens know they are not alone.

As always brother Woodrow you are full of wise words. Yes inshallah we will, when i fisrt starting reading about the Chechnya war i was devastated. Now I have been reading and reading. The first week i ordered 2 books from amazon, now i am trying to spread the word as much as i can.

 

[Chechen]

It's true no one cares about Chechnya everyone is turned towards Iraq. You can't really say it's the peoples' fault. Putin is doing a great job at keeping everyone silent. And most people even if they know about the Chechen problem they simply don't care. I understand the kafir doesn't care, it's normal but when some muslim brothers and sisters don't care that really skcosk me. I just don't understand why. Maybe we're considered as outsiders because we're white? Who knows... But anyways Dokka Umarov, in a recent interview, promised big things to happen during spring. So we just have to wait and see. It may be another big attack like on Nalchik or something because the mujahideen have said that they will take this war beyond Chechnya and that they'll bring it right to Moscow.

 

[SATalha]

its not coz chechens r white. Its jus people only watch t.v and dnt say 'hey apart from iraq and afganistan, how is the rest of the ummah'. Yes i read the interview, i jus wish there was another way 2 this than war.

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

Yeah that all sounds very pround, like we're gonna defeat Russia and such... well here is reality check for ya - Russia is 140 mil. strong, 2-3 largest armed force in the world, chechen's population estimated around one million(might be more). Now tell me how are you gonna defeat Russia? and consider this,considerable amount of chechens(100.000+ the very least, might be several 100's) lives in Russia, considerable part of chechens currently willing or unwillingly work for Kremlin appointed Kadirov, who pretty much is the sole ruler of chechenya as of now.
The war in chechenya imho was manufactured by russia's rulers in the early 90 for their own purposes, to distract the population, to make money, as a political tool, pick any or all together. The fact is they've started the war when they wanned and they ended it when they wanted, right now the war is practically over, with kremlin puppets firmly in power and chechen traitors on a pay-role.
There is no war, just slaughter of those who's against, of those with true knowledge of Islam. the situation in the rest of Norther Caucasian republics is pretty much the same(except north-ossetia at least). The best of the best, the most knowledgeable, the most pious are being murdered.

 

[SATalha]

Ever heard of the story of david v goliath?

 

[Chechen]

Yeah that all sounds very pround, like we're gonna defeat Russia and such... well here is reality check for ya - Russia is 140 mil. strong, 2-3 largest armed force in the world, chechen's population estimated around one million(might be more). Now tell me how are you gonna defeat Russia? and consider this,considerable amount of chechens(100.000+ the very least, might be several 100's) lives in Russia, considerable part of chechens currently willing or unwillingly work for Kremlin appointed Kadirov, who pretty much is the sole ruler of chechenya as of now.
The war in chechenya imho was manufactured by russia's rulers in the early 90 for their own purposes, to distract the population, to make money, as a political tool, pick any or all together. The fact is they've started the war when they wanned and they ended it when they wanted, right now the war is practically over, with kremlin puppets firmly in power and chechen traitors on a pay-role.
There is no war, just slaughter of those who's against, of those with true knowledge of Islam. the situation in the rest of Norther Caucasian republics is pretty much the same(except north-ossetia at least). The best of the best, the most knowledgeable, the most pious are being murdered.

Yes it's true I may sound proud at some moments and I have reasons for being proud. Sure Russia has the second most powerful army in the war and stuff but haven't we beaten them in 1996? Have you seen videos and heard tapes where you can hear Russian generals literally crying begging Yeltsin to stop and negotiate with the Chechens. For 400 years they have being fighting us and trying to exterminate us in every way possible and still to this day we are fighting them and they fear us. And don't forget the Chechens aren't the only ones fighting the Russians now the whole northen Caucasus is you just don't hear about it on the news. Kadyrov is no one. Just another traitor like the rest and he'll end up getting killed sooner or later. And I don't understand how you can say there is no war. Sure Basayev's death was a hard blow for the mujahideen but they're still carrying out operations and destroying the kafir. And civilians are still being killed, kidnapped, tortured, etc.

 

[Chechen]

its not coz chechens r white. Its jus people only watch t.v and dnt say 'hey apart from iraq and afganistan, how is the rest of the ummah'. Yes i read the interview, i jus wish there was another way 2 this than war.

Yeah true people only believe what the TV tells them. And I wish there was another way than war aswell but the Russians only understand when you tell them with force. Aslan Maskhadov asked the Russian again and again to sit down and negotiate and end this massacre. But what did the Russians do? They killed him. The Russians have proven that they don't want peace. The only way to make them understand and have them come back to their senses is to give them a good beating which is what we're doing right now.

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

I know you're proud, but I think the war was started and ended by Russians when they wanted and how they wanted.
You dont honestly believe Russia couldnt annihilate the whole chechen population if they wanned? They picked chechenya for several reasons back in 1990's, all went according to plan, and now Russia is where it planned to be, the resistance is there, I'm not denying that, but what it can really do against pro kremlin chechen brigades, let alone against russia's military presence? Not much, lets face it, really... not much, you know why? Because the majority in there are getting along with Kadirov pretty well, either out of fear or out of money, doesnt matter, and even if they dont, the general level of islamic awareness among chechen population is on par with rest of islamic world - which is as low as it ever been, I dont think Allah would help nation who's more or less forsaken islam, as did pretty much all of the muslim nations, don't you agree? Or you gonna argue that chechens unlike everyone else are such devoted and knowledgeable muslims?
And what was happening when chechenya was free 1996-1999? Tell people over here what was going on, if you were around.

 

[Khan-Ghalgha]

The only way to make them understand and have them come back to their senses is to give them a good beating which is what we're doing right now.

You live in a dreamworld or better yet in some comics where a superhero annihilates scores of bad guys and saves the frikin world, wake up and smell the s**t.:blind:

 

[SATalha]

I know you're proud, but I think the war was started and ended by Russians when they wanted and how they wanted.
You dont honestly believe Russia couldnt annihilate the whole chechen population if they wanned? They picked chechenya for several reasons back in 1990's, all went according to plan, and now Russia is where it planned to be, the resistance is there, I'm not denying that, but what it can really do against pro kremlin chechen brigades, let alone against russia's military presence? Not much, lets face it, really... not much, you know why? Because the majority in there are getting along with Kadirov pretty well, either out of fear or out of money, doesnt matter, and even if they dont, the general level of islamic awareness among chechen population is on par with rest of islamic world - which is as low as it ever been, I dont think Allah would help nation who's more or less forsaken islam, as did pretty much all of the muslim nations, don't you agree? Or you gonna argue that chechens unlike everyone else are such devoted and knowledgeable muslims?
And what was happening when chechenya was free 1996-1999? Tell people over here what was going on, if you were around.

Bro wat kind of judgmental attitude is that! They might of not been the most knowledgeabl they where still muslims! Didnt giv da russians an excuse 2do wat they did. Ur commentr r very crude. And ur wrong, the islamic influence amongst da muslim fighterz is ströng. So plz have sum consideration b4 u MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THIS.