How far can freedom of speech go?

[Uthman]

A mod, to whom I give great respect, though a bit naive at times, said that in an Islamic State, no innocent person would be executed because no one would lie in court. Now that is so far off reality it is sad.

I remember because it was a thread that I started. And actually I disagree with this Mod. Of course bad people lie.

Another said it was so peaceful, but when pushed agreed that there were wars.

Peaceful, but not stupid. It won't get attacked by an army and just stay sitting there like ducks!

So we are back to expiations. So your Islamic State would not be Utopia.

It wouldn't. If I ever claimed that it would be, then I take it back. Utopia implies that everybody would be good. But they won't and luckily we have an effective justice system to account for that.

There would bad people in government. Etc, Etc………. Then it is possible.

The 'bad people' would not make up their own laws. They merely need to follow the guidance of the Shari'ah. There would be no concept of 'making it up as we go along' as your post here seems to allude to.

It would probably be more accurate to say, “Most all non-Muslims would not think of it as the best way forward”. People wish for freedom and equality not second class citizenship.

In this day and age, I would be willing to admit that non-Muslims would be happier living in a society like this one.

But in the mean time, I live in a Democracy with all its imperfections and I like it.

I like happy people.

At least there are attempts for freedom and equality.

Do you mean religious equality?

Regards

 

[wilberhum]

Osman
Well it seams we have crossed the half way mark, if not further. But of course there are some questions/statements.

In this day and age, I would be willing to admit that non-Muslims would be happier living in a society like this one.

Like this one? Which one? Democracy or Islamic State?

Peaceful, but not stupid. It won't get attacked by an army and just stay sitting there like ducks!

I think you missed the point, or maybe there is a remote tinny possibility, I did not express my self well. :hmm:
He said there was peace when in fact there were wars.

Do you mean religious equality?

Yes! And gender equality, racial equality, sexual preference equality, and any other kind of equality before the law that you can think of.

Ah, last but not least, the point of true disagreement.

The 'bad people' would not make up their own laws.

The problem is “Bad People” would make up there own laws.
There are those that read the Quran and say it justifies flying plains into buildings. :grumbling

They merely need to follow the guidance of the Shari'ah.

Now every time punishment for apostasy or the requirement of head covering comes up, there 20 different versions of the answer. In that it is not clear on those items, I’m sure there are many others.
So it is nothing as simple as just “Follow the Guidance”.

There would be no concept of 'making it up as we go along' as your post here (How far can freedom of speech go?) seems to allude to.

I think you missed the point, this time I don’t think there is a remote tinny possibility, I did not express my self well.
You were getting down to such a trivial point that no law would be written to cover it :thumbs_do

Peace
Wilber