How I Became a Muslim

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I agree with you, but I stand on the promise that Allah (swt) made in the Quran of forgiveness and Paradise for those who believe and do good deeds. I pray to die not but as a Muslim - one who submits his will to that of Allah's (swt).

Yes, we hope that Allah will find us to be true believers at the time of our deaths and that is what we pray to Allah for..... that we die as Muslims, believing in Him as ONE and not associating partners with Him.

To say that I want to have confidence in knowing where I am going however is actually a tricky affair. One cannot have such confidence. Because to have it would be tantamount to becoming smug and complacent about one's destiny, as though one is guaranteed salvation. It is tantamount to having pride in one's own righteousness.... thinking oneself to be so good that he will definitely be saved.

In Islam to have such confidence is a major sin... To be specific, that sin is feeling secure from the plan of Allah.

Iblis fell into this trap. And it's a trap that all Muslims must avoid.
 
Salams,
They main thing we should focus on brothers and sisters is that we should be thankful to Allah and fearful of losing these things
 
I don't think any human can ever say 100% for sure that they know where they will go after death. Doubts will always be in the back of your mind. We can't know for sure because no one that has died has ever come back to tell us what to expect. It's a one-way trip.

Anyway, Riham, your story was an inspiration to me as well. Some elements of your journey to Islam are/were similar to my own story. I read it the first day I was here, and I remember thinking that I too wanted to find that peace that you have found. The rest of my story you now know.
 
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Yes, we hope that Allah will find us to be true believers at the time of our deaths and that is what we pray to Allah for..... that we die as Muslims, believing in Him as ONE and not associating partners with Him.

To say that I want to have confidence in knowing where I am going however is actually a tricky affair. One cannot have such confidence. Because to have it would be tantamount to becoming smug and complacent about one's destiny, as though one is guaranteed salvation. It is tantamount to having pride in one's own righteousness.... thinking oneself to be so good that he will definitely be saved.

In Islam to have such confidence is a major sin... To be specific, that sin is feeling secure from the plan of Allah.

Iblis fell into this trap. And it's a trap that all Muslims must avoid.
Sister, you write so eloquently, masha'Allah. Again I agree with what you are saying. Christians will ask, "Do you know that you are saved? If you died tonight would you go to Heaven or Hell?" You are so right that we don't have the same attitude of "Blessed Assurance, Jesus is mine!", but rather a balance of hope in the mercy of Allah (swt) and fear of His wrath.
 
I agree with you, but I stand on the promise that Allah (swt) made in the Quran of forgiveness and Paradise for those who believe and do good deeds. I pray to die not but as a Muslim - one who submits his will to that of Allah's (swt).

I have never I think heard this before as one is familiar with Martyrs going straight to heaven (though how killing the innocent does that I cannot say) But what I would like to ask is why if as you say the Qu'ran is God's last word would he omit to tell us a certain way to get to heaven, surely that is the most important question of all if one is a believer? I also wonder what God would do if I (say) did massive amounts of good works, much, much more that you but did not believe? Of course I can ask the question also the other way round if I believed but did nothing good? In short logically, it looks like good works are the deciding factor not believing?
 
In short logically, it looks like good works are the deciding factor not believing?

Belief comes first. Good works second.

One can be saved by SINCERE belief in Allah and His Messenger alone. However, some people get misled into thinking that they believe and have faith and by virtue of that alone, they will be saved. They forget that sincerity is an elusive thing. If you believe you are sincere, you aren't. And thus, your chance for salvation is lost.
 
I'm a little surprised at your interest in my story, Impey. I didn't think non-Muslims would be interested in reading it.... nor care to ask questions the way you have. It seems to me you are yourself struggling to know the truth.... or have doubts in your mind and something you read in my story made sense to you. Anyway, I'm happy that you have come here to this forum in search for answers.
Stories are always interesting if they are truthful accounts as to how a person comes to faith or for that matters looses it. So I am not looking for 'answers' as such as if there is only one right one but understanding. I cannot understand at all how someone could become a Muslim which seems almost totally legalistic and I suppose philosophically that is why I am here.

In my last post, I mentioned universal principles of truth that can be found in the Bible. These gems of truth can be found anywhere.... in any book or any religion. It doesn't matter who utters them. They are eternal in nature and self-evident. But when we come across a teaching that cannot be classified as universal truth.... such as this line here, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

..... it would matter a lot who utters it. In this case, Jesus (peace be upon him) is supposed to have said it. But this was recorded by someone called Matthew.... about whom we know very little. Since I cannot be sure of Matthew's truthfulness, I cannot believe in these words. I would have doubts. But if it was Prophet Muhammad (saws) saying it, I would have immediately accepted it.
Interesting, so you would accept ANYTHING as long as you knew the person was known to be truthful? Suppose I say 'my wife is the most beatiful woman in the world' and I think my self as truthful would you accept it? Now I am told that Mohammed is supposed to have said there are more women than men in hell - does it not occur to you to ask how he could possibly know that and it cannot be a self-evident universal truth can it?

Here's another statement found in the Bible that cannot be classified as self-evident, universal truth: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). This statement is from someone called John. Who is John? What do we know about him? If we could verify his truthfulness and be convinced of his God-fearing character, then we should have no problem accepting the above information. But since we do not know anything much about John, we cannot be sure. I'd be justified to have my doubts...... and to reject such a teaching on the grounds that it contradicts what the Bible teaches about God in The Old Testament...... that God is ONE.
Of course you can have doubts, I would for such a claim by Jesus and so for me it would be about faith because one cannot 'prove' such a fact as true or false. But I wonder are you being consistent here since it seems to me we either say Mohammed wrote the Qu'ran (via scribes) or it has no author since we cannot I think check it out with God, ipso facto you again have to rely on truthfulness but without any way of proving it?

And by the way, I believe in the concept that God is ONE not because the Bible says so, but because it's the self-evident, universal truth.... clearly observable in the perfect order and magnificence of this universe.
I would like to agree with you but some of the brightest minds on earth have come to quite a different conclusion - so who is wrong you or them? If I were you I would have to step back a little and accept that my mind is tiny and I must not make it the measure of all things.
 
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If I were you I would have to step back a little and accept that my mind is tiny and I must not make it the measure of all things.

My dear brother in humanity, to not use my mind and make it the measure of all things is to become like an animal. I do not wish to go down to that level and live like a beast. The ability to think and reason is what separates man from animals... So I'm so sorry... I can't give that up.

If you wish to do so, well.... nobody's stopping you.
 
I have never I think heard this before as one is familiar with Martyrs going straight to heaven (though how killing the innocent does that I cannot say)
No, even this depends upon the intention for doing so. I definitely do not see that blowing ones self up along with innocent people as an act of martyrdom, but rather of suicide and murder which are huge sins.
But what I would like to ask is why if as you say the Qu'ran is God's last word would he omit to tell us a certain way to get to heaven, surely that is the most important question of all if one is a believer?
There is no 'formula' to follow to ensure ones salvation for one does not know the sincerity of his own heart or the condition of his faith upon his death.
I also wonder what God would do if I (say) did massive amounts of good works, much, much more that you but did not believe? Of course I can ask the question also the other way round if I believed but did nothing good? In short logically, it looks like good works are the deciding factor not believing?
Judgment is only for Allah (swt), but I would much, much, much rather die as a Muslim with only a few good deeds than to die as a Kafir with many good deeds. The most significant good deed of all is testimony that, "I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is His servant and messenger." I hold onto this testimony that I made over 29 years ago and again I stand on the promises that Allah (swt) made in the Quran of forgiveness and gardens of Paradise for those who believe and do good deeds.
 
SubhanAllah what a lovely story and what a lovely sister we have now in Islam, thats what i love about it! So many interesting muslim sisters we get from all over the world, MashAllah and they help us all bind together in a refreshing inspiration : )
 
My dear brother in humanity, to not use my mind and make it the measure of all things is to become like an animal. I do not wish to go down to that level and live like a beast. The ability to think and reason is what separates man from animals... So I'm so sorry... I can't give that up. If you wish to do so, well.... nobody's stopping you.
I get the feeling I have offended you?

I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. The mind is all we have and in a way it is all we are and if we loose it or regulate it to second place we are no better that animals. However, all human beings seem able to be logical and can rationalise things or events but it is also obvious that our minds, our thinking abilities are limited and it is in the sense that I used the phrase 'tiny' mind.

What surprises me, even shocks me, is how certain you are of your own conclusions reached by your own intellectual processes. On the one hand you accept without question what Mohammed said or did as absolute truth but for everything else you decide what is or is not truth, or a universal truth as you call it - why are you so certain of your own rational powers, I certainly am not of mine?

For example, Socrates, one of the finest thinkers the world has ever seen said "If I have any authority it is based upon the sure notion that I know nothing." On the face of it this sounds absurd but what it is really saying is that if we forget our limitations and close our minds to argument, new knowledge then we are sure to fail. One only has to consider conspiracy theories to see this where scores of people believe in absurdities: vaccines cause autism, aliens have abducted people, the CIA created aids, 9/11 was a Zionist sponsored event, the holocaust is a myth and so on. Indeed once you think you are immune from such things you are in fact showing your susceptibility to them. Let's face it which of us has never been caught out by a sales gimmick of some kind and ended up buying something we did not need or want. It has to be said also that if we believe in God who created the vastness of eternity then pretending we know exactly the mind of God in every circumstance is foolishness in the extreme.

This is why we must treat all knowledge as tentative always allowing that we just might be wrong. In fact this is the scientific default position, being aware that new theories, new explanations, new interpretations or new data might totally undermine what we thought was solid. Of course we try to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory and if we are honest we not only look for things that uphold the theory but also more importantly, events which are incompatible with the theory, that is an event which would have refuted the theory. When we speak of religious things we run into trouble because they are not generally refutable. A theory which is not refutable by any conceivable event is non-scientific. Of course irrefutability is not a virtue of a theory (as people often think) but a vice.

For example, to use one of your examples that Jesus said, as recorded by Matthew "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Now it is one thing to accept that Jesus said this, indeed I can see no obvious reason to deny it, but the truth of the actual words is unfalsifiable, that is there no way we can show it to be true if it is true and no way to show it to be false if it is false - it really is totally irrelevant whether Matthew or Jesus were known to tell the truth, the statement cannot be tested and cannot be shown to be true or false. In passing I note, and you may correct me if this is wrong, that Mohammed like Jesus never themselves wrote anything down and always it was a scribe or sometimes several scribes and in general as far as I know we know less about their honesty than that of Matthews'.

In the case of Jesus or Mohammed if you can only indicate a statement's truth with corroborating evidence that these men were truthful - in effect you have introduced ad hoc some auxiliary assumption in such a way that it (the theory) escapes refutation. Such a procedure is always possible, but it rescues the theory from refutation only at the price of destroying, or at least greatly lowering, its status.
 
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why are you so certain of your own rational powers, I certainly am not of mine?

Because the only way to know the truth is by using reason. This is how all detectives solve mysteries. Try it.... and you might be surprised how certain you can be when you use your reason without allowing bias or preconceived ideas to color your judgement.


On the face of it this sounds absurd but what it is really saying is that if we forget our limitations and close our minds to argument, new knowledge then we are sure to fail.

If we use our reason we would know that we have many limitations. But we would also know that understanding and wisdom cannot be acquired without the use of reason. It is reason that helps us to distinguish truth from falsehood.



It has to be said also that if we believe in God who created the vastness of eternity then pretending we know exactly the mind of God in every circumstance is foolishness in the extreme.

And who is pretending to know exactly the mind of God? Why pretend at all? I don't believe in pretenses.

This is why we must treat all knowledge as tentative always allowing that we just might be wrong.

Information that you think is true can't be classified as knowledge. If people said that the Earth was flat, that's information. But whether that's knowledge, no. That's not knowledge. Knowledge is when you know something to be true for sure. If you said that the Earth was round, yes. That's knowledge. If you said that 2 + 2 was 5, that wouldn't be knowledge. It would be knowledge only if you said that 2 + 2 was 4. One cannot say that the answer to 2 + 2 is 4 but that's tentative and we just might be wrong.
 
No, even this depends upon the intention for doing so. I definitely do not see that blowing ones self up along with innocent people as an act of martyrdom, but rather of suicide and murder which are huge sins. There is no 'formula' to follow to ensure ones salvation for one does not know the sincerity of his own heart or the condition of his faith upon his death. Judgment is only for Allah (swt), but I would much, much, much rather die as a Muslim with only a few good deeds than to die as a Kafir with many good deeds. The most significant good deed of all is testimony that, "I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is His servant and messenger." I hold onto this testimony that I made over 29 years ago and again I stand on the promises that Allah (swt) made in the Quran of forgiveness and gardens of Paradise for those who believe and do good deeds.

I think I understand what you are saying about faith but it kind of sounds odd that you seem to feel that good deeds, which I would take as solid evidence of faith, are almost discounted. If I may illustrate what I mean by an analogy. Suppose I as a teacher ask you to define the famous problem solving idea called SWOT. So you rush off to Wikipedia and write it out - does that really mean you know it? Now, you may disagree, but for me the answer is NO, the only way I as a teacher will be able to see that you know it is IF you can use it to produce an analysis of a problem situation.

So if you or anyone says they have faith then for me anyway it has to be seen in action, in a transformed life. Now you can argue as a believer that God sees the heart and looks at you intention and rewards that. But I find that rather empty and would wonder why bother to believe if it makes no difference. I suppose what I would say is that the truth can only be spoken by those who live it, and only heard by those who heed it.

Have you heard the famous parable "A man had two sons; he went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work in the vineyard today.' He answered, 'I will not'; but later he changed his mind and went. The father went to the second and said the same; and he answered, 'I go, sir'; but he did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?"

Consider intentions here and say what you answer is?
 
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Because the only way to know the truth is by using reason. This is how all detectives solve mysteries. Try it.... and you might be surprised how certain you can be when you use your reason without allowing bias or preconceived ideas to color your judgement.
I agree with you that using ones reason is a way of establishing truth, but what I am talking about is how we can know that there are no flaws in our reasoning. However, your statement "the only way to know the truth is by using reason" is wrong. Firstly, reason always needs evidence, data to back it up. Take your detective idea, he might make an inspired deduction about how the crime was committed but unless he can find evidence that fits his deduction it is nothing but hot air. Secondly, there is no way you or anyone else can establish the truth about whether it will rain next Thursday by reasoning. Even if I state it in a stronger way by saying 'it has rained every Thursday for the last 191 days (evidence), therefore it will rain next Thursday' - you would be justified in feeling more sure but it is impossible to know the truth with certainty; to do that you have to wait until Thursday. Thirdly, it is also a fact that there are many problems that have no solution and again no amount of reasoning will deliver one. Lastly, it is obviously (self-evident?) true that two or more people armed with the same facts may by reasoning reach different conclusions, often opposite conclusions. Next, it is impossible to be totally unbiased, the best we can ever do is be aware of our bias and let that consciousness stop our natural bias interfering too much with our judgements. To put it in your words "You cease to be unbiased when you think you are unbiased." Similarly, we cannot avoid preconceived ideas but only be aware of them and to think otherwise is danderous intellectual arrogance.

I must say that coming from a Muslim the phrase 'the only way to know the truth is by using reason' was a great surprise to me as it would automatically exclude revelation as a way to access the truth. But there are many things that we cannot reason to the truth. If I say 'he lies because he is demon possessed' well that might be the truth but I cannot see anyway to show it is false if it is or true if it is - its just too weird a claim and no amount of reasoning can distinguish truth from falsehood in this case. This I think is true for almost all religious claims.

Information that you think is true can't be classified as knowledge. If people said that the Earth was flat, that's information. But whether that's knowledge, no. That's not knowledge. Knowledge is when you know something to be true for sure. If you said that the Earth was round, yes. That's knowledge. If you said that 2 + 2 was 5, that wouldn't be knowledge. It would be knowledge only if you said that 2 + 2 was 4. One cannot say that the answer to 2 + 2 is 4 but that's tentative and we just might be wrong.
Well I partly agree here in that we always need evidence or a way to test any claim for truth. But even in the case of 2 + 2 = 4 there are issues since the rules of arithmetic are based on axioms, meaning statements of truth we assume but cannot prove. Can you explain why (-1)x(-1) = +1, why two negative multiplied together make a positive as it sounds wrong, but why does it have to be like that?
 
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Impey, You DO know the forum rule that a previously banned member (for very serious violations) is not allowed to register again even if they change their screen name?
 
Impey, You DO know the forum rule that a previously banned member (for very serious violations) is not allowed to register again even if they change their screen name?

Not sure what you mean by this. I have said that I am here to find out if I can why someone becomes a Muslim. Hence the discussion with Riham since she is both certain if her faith and her own power of reason and I would like to know where such certainty comes from. I have no other agenda and not defending budism, christainity, or any other philosophy as I feel my posts will show - if this is a no go area then please tell me and I will go elsewhere to find an answer - perhaps you can recommend somewhere
 
Not sure what you mean by this. I have said that I am here to find out if I can why someone becomes a Muslim. Hence the discussion with Riham since she is both certain if her faith and her own power of reason and I would like to know where such certainty comes from. I have no other agenda and not defending budism, christainity, or any other philosophy as I feel my posts will show - if this is a no go area then please tell me and I will go elsewhere to find an answer - perhaps you can recommend somewhere

You don't have to pretend to be dumb. You are actually dumb. Next time when you re-register, change your computer, your router, your provider, change your country of residence, change your new style of writing and arguing, and most importantly: change your brain, because your current brain is too sick from worshiping a baby human as god.

Would you like me to disable your account and you go voluntarily so it will say on your account: disabled on request,
or do you like a more humiliating way (which befits you actually)?
 
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Assalamu alaikom warahmato allah,
Maybe I am a bit late, but I just read it today :)
Alhamdolillah for your Islam, both of you.
If you wish to remind your husband with what he was believing in, or if you have a friend who is still Christian, pls download my material and read it, The Truth about Christianity, ..., I have spent long time to make it.
It is nice to see the truth from outside the box.


BRMM
 
salaam

I've missed Impeys posts - But how do you know that animals dont have minds - how do you even know other people have minds? You might be familar with solipcism? futhermore Socrates didnt write anything down? so How can we be sure thats actually a quote from Socrates? - what about thoughts how do we know other people have them for certain? or your ancestor times 1000 do you know who they were and what they did if there is no historical and empircal evidence for there Existence? does that mean they didnt exist ever? - You seem to have no problem of "knowing" all about these things with no method of verification.
 
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