How I Ended Up in Guantanamo

[Ghazi]

That is not the issue. The question is not the ultimate owner of the Universe, but whether you have accepted the hospitality of people who have tried to befriend you and whether you are justified in betraying that generosity. I suspect you have and I do not think you are. I think you need to stop. But if you feel differently, then, please go ahead.

Salaam

Hospatality I've lived here all my live I've got as much right as anyone to live here. All I'm saying is I'm a muslim first everything else is second

 

[HeiGou]

If the West practise freedom of speech etc so much then we have a right to hold views such as mentioned in Islam Truth post, don’t we? and we didn't make the choice to move to these countries many Muslims were born and brought up here, i will personally be glad to leave very soon Insha'Allah

No one is questioning anyone's right to say what they like - except of course the usual suspects in the Green corner. It does not matter if you chose to move here or not. The question is how you can live honorably while accepting the hospitality if people you intend to betray.

And secondly, the danger, of course, that enough people will realise what you really think and have the Muslim community deported en masse.

 

[HeiGou]

Hospatality I've lived here all my live I've got as much right as anyone to live here.

Actually you do not. You may have lived here all your life, but if you reject the community that has taken your family in and provided them with so much, you have no further moral right to live here at all. You cannot demand that the British community accept you when you refuse to accept the first basic duties, responsibilities and conditions of that acceptance. You have said so yourself - you are not British, you are a Muslim.

All I'm saying is I'm a muslim first everything else is second

And what I am saying is that this position is not honorable (you should work to end it) and in the long run not sustainable (as you will inevitably be deported).

 

[Ghazi]

Actually you do not. You may have lived here all your life, but if you reject the community that has taken your family in and provided them with so much, you have no further moral right to live here at all. You cannot demand that the British community accept you when you refuse to accept the first basic duties, responsibilities and conditions of that acceptance. You have said so yourself - you are not British, you are a Muslim.



And what I am saying is that this position is not honorable (you should work to end it) and in the long run not sustainable (as you will inevitably be deported).

Salaam

And Tell who's going to kick me out, and even if it did happen I wouldn't be bothered.

 

[DaSangarTalib]

That'll look bad on the government if it does happen

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

That'll look bad on the government if it does happen

Yep, and muslims wont just sit idly by. Also nor will the non-muslims

 

[aamirsaab]

Gitmo is no prison, it's a torture camp.

 

[HeiGou]

And Tell who's going to kick me out, and even if it did happen I wouldn't be bothered.

Wake up and smell the coffee - the laws are changing everywhere to deport people.

Muslim cleric stripped of U.S. citizenship
Ohio imam is appealing terrorism-related conviction

AKRON, Ohio - The leader of Ohio’s largest mosque has been stripped of his citizenship as punishment for a terrorism-related conviction but can’t be deported until a federal court hears his appeal, which could take 18 months.


Australia 'may deport militants'
Mr Howard wants anti-terrorism police to have greater powers
Australian Prime Minister John Howard has said he is considering stripping people of Australian citizenship if they are convicted of terrorism crimes.

He said the measure could apply to people who had dual nationality and already served their jail terms.


France 'to expel radical imams'
French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy has vowed to deport any Muslim cleric preaching violence.

Speaking after meeting his Spanish counterpart in Madrid, Mr Sarkozy said he would seek the expulsion of imams in France "whose sermons are radical".

Mr Sarkozy said France and Spain had agreed tougher joint measures against Islamic militancy.

UK’s decision to deport 500 Muslims unjust’

LAHORE: The UK’s decision to deport 500 Muslim leaders, teachers and owners of Islamic bookshops is hasty, undemocratic and unjust, said a Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) official on Monday.
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And if you are enjoying the hospitality of people you do not think you share any affinity for and intend to betray, given you do not care if you are deported, why not do the honorable thing and leave?

 

[HeiGou]

That'll look bad on the government if it does happen

You think? Why? I am probably slightly more in touch with British public opinion than you and I think that if the British government vowed to deport half the Muslim population of Britain tomorrow they would win any election in a landslide.

Public opinion across Europe has really shifted in a fundamental (and I think bad) way.

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

Whatever happens to me is by the permission of allah so I've got faith that it's better for me.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

terrorism is one thing, wanting to stay and abide by ur religion is another!

eace:

 

[HeiGou]

Yep, and muslims wont just sit idly by. Also nor will the non-muslims

What do you think the non-Muslims would do apart from cheer? Seriously. Have you listened to public opinion in the West these days?

Saudi Arabia deported all the Yemenis during the First Gulf War. Kuwait all the Palestinians. I don't think that the Muslim world would work up much outrage.

 

[HeiGou]

terrorism is one thing, wanting to stay and abide by ur religion is another!

Absolutely. But people have to accept the minimum rules of the society in which they live. Someone who takes up weapons to fight that government has broken any bond between them and society as whole.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Absolutely. But people have to accept the minimum rules of the society in which they live. Someone who takes up weapons to fight that government has broken any bond between them and society as whole.

yep , agree wiv u there

eace:

 

[Ghazi]

Absolutely. But people have to accept the minimum rules of the society in which they live. Someone who takes up weapons to fight that government has broken any bond between them and society as whole.

Salaam

But when the goverment is killing your brothers and sisters a true muslim won't sit back and watch richard and judy while this is going on.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Salaam

But when the goverment is killing your brothers and sisters a true muslim won't sit back and watch richard and judy while this is going on.

ye but his saying in a non-muslim country u gotta accept there rules, i say yes no doubt course u do. so i agreed.

But if in this same country ur own brothers/sisters where gettin slaughtered, THEN TO HELL WIV THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HeiGou]

But when the goverment is killing your brothers and sisters a true muslim won't sit back and watch richard and judy while this is going on.

Indeed. If you think that the people of Iraq are your brothers and sisters and not the people of Luton and Slough, you have, I think, a clear duty to leave this country and go and join your brothers and sisters.

How can you eat from the table of people you think are killing your brothers and sisters?

 

[Ghazi]

Indeed. If you think that the people of Iraq are your brothers and sisters and not the people of Luton and Slough, you have, I think, a clear duty to leave this country and go and join your brothers and sisters.

How can you eat from the table of people you think are killing your brothers and sisters?

Salaam

If the people of Luton and Slough are muslim then they're my brothers and sisters, excuse me I eat from my own table thank you very much.

 

[HeiGou]

If the people of Luton and Slough are muslim then they're my brothers and sisters, excuse me I eat from my own table thank you very much.

Then the majority of the people of Britain are not. Can you blame them if they feel likewise about you? It is a metaphor. Are you denying benefiting from the generousity of the British taxpayer? You paid for your own education and medical expenses?

 

[Ghazi]

Then the majority of the people of Britain are not. Can you blame them if they feel likewise about you? It is a metaphor. Are you denying benefiting from the generousity of the British taxpayer? You paid for your own education and medical expenses?

Salaam

Everything that has benifited me and you in this life is from allah.