How I Ended Up in Guantanamo

HeiGou said:
You owe your parents nothing? You owe your country nothing? If I lend you money, if I get you a good job, you owe me nothing?

Nice world you live in.
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Of course we owe them, and we're extremely greatful to them. Islam teaches us to be greatful to our parents as they looked after us in young age, so we should do the same

But ultimately we believe everything comes from Allah. He does everything for us, by a means through others. For example you said above you got someone a good job, God blesses us through you, so not only do we thank Allah but we are also greatful to you, but it comes ultimately from God

I'll tell you of a hadith that explains this really well

Its about Prophet Moses PBUH. he was ill, umm i think he had a bad stomach or something i can't remember 100%, but anyway he prayed to God to emove the pain. God then told him to go eat an apple from a tree. Moses PUH then followed Allah's command, and ate the apple and his stmach ache or whatever went away and he thanked Allah.
Moses sometime later got ill again with the same illness. This time he went straight to the same tree, and ate the apple. However he didn't get well this time, so he prayed to God and asked him why hasn't the apple cured me this time. Allah responded that, before you prayed to me first, so i put the goodness into the apple, i put the necessary qualities and attributes into the apple to heal you. The apple was just a means for it to happen.

I hope you understand now what was meant by islam-truth
 
HeiGou said:
You owe your parents nothing? You owe your country nothing? If I lend you money, if I get you a good job, you owe me nothing?

Nice world you live in.
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lol bro, islam truth has said nothing to this effect? how did u derive this from "All benefit is due to Allah". Yes but Allah teaches us to be thankful to others aswell!!!

lol ur funny man!!!!

:peace:
 
Abd'Majid said:
lol bro, islam truth has said nothing to this effect? how did u derive this from "All benefit is due to Allah". Yes but Allah teaches us to be thankful to others aswell!!!
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Islam-Truth has said he is not thankful to the British people who took his parents in. He has openly said he is not thankful to the British people who paid for his education and health care. He thinks these things have only come from God and God alone. I think he ought to be thankful, or if not thankful than honor and common decency says he needs to stop taking from people who have offered him the hand of friendship but which he despises.
 
HeiGou said:
Islam-Truth has said he is not thankful to the British people who took his parents in. He has openly said he is not thankful to the British people who paid for his education and health care. He thinks these things have only come from God and God alone. I think he ought to be thankful, or if not thankful than honor and common decency says he needs to stop taking from people who have offered him the hand of friendship but which he despises.
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im lost, plz quote where he said this

:peace: peace man :)
 
HeiGou said:
Islam-Truth has said he is not thankful to the British people who took his parents in. He has openly said he is not thankful to the British people who paid for his education and health care. He thinks these things have only come from God and God alone. I think he ought to be thankful, or if not thankful than honor and common decency says he needs to stop taking from people who have offered him the hand of friendship but which he despises.
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Salaam

Please feel free and quote me
 
It's a disturbing thought. If for whatever reason the international situation escalates, it is clear Europe will be on the brink of a civil war? Unlike America, where the Muslim majority is simply too small and too wel off to cause too much trouble.

Anyone agree, disagree?
 
KAding said:
It's a disturbing thought. If for whatever reason the international situation escalates, it is clear Europe will be on the brink of a civil war? Unlike America, where the Muslim majority is simply too small and too wel off to cause too much trouble.

Anyone agree, disagree?
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Salaam

Care to Elaborate
 
HeiGou said:
He fought the country that took him in with gun in hand. Or tried to. Yes I think he ought to have been executed. An open and shut case of treason.At least they stripped him of his residency.
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All "enemy combatants' should be shot where they stand. Making war while not in uniform is a "capital offense." It would make things a lot easier from a logistical standpoint, also. Not to mention the guys we've released only to be caught fighting, again. "Two behind the ear." :hiding:
 
newark nick said:
All "enemy combatants' should be shot where they stand. Making war while not in uniform is a "capital offense." It would make things a lot easier from a logistical standpoint, also. Not to mention the guys we've released only to be caught fighting, again. "Two behind the ear." :hiding:
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Yeh cos the way you dress really makes a difference, those 2 SAS soldiers in civillian clothes should have been shot on site aswell.
 
newark nick said:
All "enemy combatants' should be shot where they stand. Making war while not in uniform is a "capital offense." It would make things a lot easier from a logistical standpoint, also. Not to mention the guys we've released only to be caught fighting, again. "Two behind the ear." :hiding:
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Salaam

Enemey combatants should be shot eh? I too agree victory to the mujahideen.
 
Well...It is clear that for many Muslims, like yourself, your primary allegiance lies with the Umma. The international situation could easily escalate, for example:
1. US & UK attack Iran
2. Iran interferes in Iraq to attack US & Coalition troops there
3. Israel gets involved sparking conflict with other Arab countries
4. Germany sides with Israel supposedly because they "have a historic duty to do so"
5. Danish newspapers print another Mohammed cartoon ;)
6. Riots in the streets
7. Extreme-right politicians gain more and more support

Before we know it, the UK and other EU countries are engulfed a a full-scale conflict in the Middle East. How would Muslims in the West respond do you think? Is it possible they will, in greater numbers, turn on their host countries? In order to protect their Brothers and Sisters in the Middle East?

It is clear that even now there are Muslim who have taken up arms against their own countries. If it suddenly gets a whole lot worse in the Middle East, is there a point at which European Muslims will start organizing for real and fight their own governments? Or do they have too much to lose?

Mind you, I don't think this is all very likely in the short run. But seeing the worsening relations between Muslims and Westerners, perhaps it is a distinct possiblity in the longer run.
 
Genius said:
Yeh cos the way you dress really makes a difference, those 2 SAS soldiers in civillian clothes should have been shot on site aswell.
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If you want to make war, there are rules. If you don't follow the rules, you get shot. This goes for EVERYONE. :hiding:
 
hamzaa said:
Peace, I take this would also apply to all those US/coalition soldiers stationed in Iraq and other various parts of the world?
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I think he means that the rules or war, as they are worked out in the Geneva Convention, make a distinction between military personnel which is identifiable because of an uniform, and 'militia' or 'enemy combatants' (he means Muhajideen) who do not wear a uniform. According to him they are not fighting according to the rules and should thus be regarded as spies and shot.
 
KAding said:
I think he means that the rules or war, as they are worked out in the Geneva Convention, make a distinction between military personnel which is identifiable because of an uniform, and 'militia' or 'enemy combatants' (he means Muhajideen) who do not wear a uniform. According to him they are not fighting according to the rules and should thus be regarded as spies and shot.
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If the mujahadeen are smart enough to make war, they should be smart enough to deal with the uniform thing. If not, suffer the consequenses. :hiding:
 
newark nick said:
If you want to make war, there are rules. If you don't follow the rules, you get shot. This goes for EVERYONE. :hiding:
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Do you believe unprovoked war against a small and weak nation is in the rules. In any case those who star wars manipulate/choose which laws they want to follow. You're obviously a terrorist sympathiser for the terrorist American regime so there's no point in debating this with you.

Continue being a hack for those who couldn't care less about you, hope you live a fulfilling life.
 
Genius said:
... You're obviously a terrorist sympathiser for the terrorist American regime so there's no point in debating this with you.
Continue being a hack for those who couldn't care less about you, hope you live a fulfilling life...
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Sticks and stones... And GWB DOES care about me. I heard him say it on T.V. the other day, so there. :giggling: :hiding:
 
newark nick said:
Sticks and stones... And GWB DOES care about me. I heard him say it on T.V. the other day, so there. :giggling: :hiding:
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I heard Claudia Schiffer say 'Because you're worth it' on tv the other day, and I don't see her getting a divorce and running to my house. :p
 

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