How is one certain of Allah's love?
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Perhaps you should look more closely at the “ scientific “ claims.
If you speak to Christians, Jews, Hindus
They all claim their book contains science that was not known at the time the book was written.
I think you find
When science discovers something, people go back to their holy books and find verse, that if you interpret them in just the right way , they can appear to be a scientific prophecy.
This happens in all religions.
I will be impressed when people start pulling new scientific discoveries from holy books,
Before science has discovered them,
Greetings and peace be with you chalks75;
A lot of advertising is around putting ourselves first, get what we want now, if we adopt this attitude then we don't have to worry about others. They say around one in four people will suffer with mental health problems in their lives. If they become too much of a problem, they get dumped by the people around them, this can only make matters worse. I spend a fair amount of time with troubled and angry people, there are reasons why they are like this, they often feel unloved and no one cares.
In the UK, by the time a child reaches fifteen, about half of them are not living with both their biological parents. I meet deeply depressed men who have been separated from their children, I meet troubled women and children from broken relations.
I believe that we should choose kindness as a default position with all people, I do believe that kindness can overcome hostility given time. If we want to live in a kinder and more caring society, then we have to become the change we want to see. You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
We pray for a peace that surpasses all understanding,
Eric
A lot of advertising is around putting ourselves first, get what we want now, if we adopt this attitude then we don't have to worry about others. They say around one in four people will suffer with mental health problems in their lives. If they become too much of a problem, they get dumped by the people around them, this can only make matters worse. I spend a fair amount of time with troubled and angry people, there are reasons why they are like this, they often feel unloved and no one cares.
In the UK, by the time a child reaches fifteen, about half of them are not living with both their biological parents. I meet deeply depressed men who have been separated from their children, I meet troubled women and children from broken relations.
I believe that we should choose kindness as a default position with all people, I do believe that kindness can overcome hostility given time. If we want to live in a kinder and more caring society, then we have to become the change we want to see. You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
We pray for a peace that surpasses all understanding,
Eric
I agree that we should show compassion and understanding to those around us.
We should attempt to create the society we want to live in, the best way to do that is to live in a manner that projects the ideals of the society in which we would hope to live.
There is a limit,
It’s important to look after yourself, so you can look after others.
If people are a constant negative in your life, and you have done what you can to help, the last thing you want is to be dragged down with them.
Greetings and peace be with you chalks75;
You will probably not understand this, but through faith in God; you can find a profound sense of peace that surpasses all understanding.
I agree with you, I don't want to be dragged down with them, But I always live in hope that we can be dragged up together; faith in God helps with resilience, perseverance, kindness and above all, hope that something good can happen. I have had a knife held up against my throat, I have asked two angry people to hand me their knives, I have walked in the middle of numerous fights involving angry drunks. I walked in on two people who were in the process of ending their lives, I meet up with people who have done time for murder, drug addicts and dealers.
I do all this voluntarily in the hope that something good can happen. Nothing worthwhile is risk free.
In the spirit of praying for a peace that surpasses all understanding,
Eric
You will probably not understand this, but through faith in God; you can find a profound sense of peace that surpasses all understanding.
I agree with you, I don't want to be dragged down with them, But I always live in hope that we can be dragged up together; faith in God helps with resilience, perseverance, kindness and above all, hope that something good can happen. I have had a knife held up against my throat, I have asked two angry people to hand me their knives, I have walked in the middle of numerous fights involving angry drunks. I walked in on two people who were in the process of ending their lives, I meet up with people who have done time for murder, drug addicts and dealers.
I do all this voluntarily in the hope that something good can happen. Nothing worthwhile is risk free.
In the spirit of praying for a peace that surpasses all understanding,
Eric
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you really need to learn how to use your logic.
religion IS reality, otherwise there was no need to believe in some religion when people knew it was just fiction. The trick is, which religion is the right one.
We on the other hand look deeper and find our answers.
You know...even science ends somewhere...and you HAVE to believe from that point. It is this belief that drives science. People look for a certain direction for logical answers because they believe that is the right thing to do...and depending on the evidence they found, they know their belief was right or wrong...that is how science works.
In the case of Islaam...this is the same....except for one thing...the information that Islaam provides (i.e. the Quraan) is given...look in that direction and you will find answers.
Do you know what I think is very stupid about people who do not have a religion?
even they have certain questions in their heads...and science do not provide them with logical answers...
and they have a hunch how to find their answers...which is religion...yet, they do not use this opportunity to investigate...they just ignore this hunch.
Sorry chalks,
you really need to learn how to use your logic.
religion IS reality, otherwise there was no need to believe in some religion when people knew it was just fiction. The trick is, which religion is the right one.
And that which has been passed on, has been changed over time. This is true for all other religions...just not for Islaam. The Quraan has been dictated to our Prophet sas and hasn't been changed a word ever since. so no passing over through a mixture of cultural whatever...nu special privileges...etc. everything is exactly the same like the very first minute Islaam came upon us.
Is that so strange? I think the other way around is much more stranger...to follow a religion where God is just a concept and which you are not really convinced of.
agreed...but it DOED define what "good" and "bad" is.
unneccessary use of the word "particular". Allah is real and should be worshipped like Islaam teaches us. Of course muslims view the world through this lens. It would be strange if they didn't.
I am sorry, but get your facts right. You might be right about all other religions but Islaam has NOTHING to do with culture. everywhere in the whole wide world, people of all possible cultures, all have exact the same religion and with that the same rituals...how can that be if Islaam was just cultural beliefs like you claim?
you sound very certain of your case. could you back that up with evidence or some sort of scientific argument? I guess not.
except that all other religions fail to be logical and Islaam is the only religion that makes sense...is without errors and totally logical.
yet, science claims exactly the same thing. According to the Big Bang theory everything came into existence after the explosion of a tiny instable core with a huge density. But where and how that core came into such situation....even science doesn't know...so where did that came from then?
In your case...you do not have any logical answers for certain questions, yet you refuse to look for answers and just ignore...because science alone does not provide you any.
We on the other hand look deeper and find our answers.
You know...even science ends somewhere...and you HAVE to believe from that point. It is this belief that drives science. People look for a certain direction for logical answers because they believe that is the right thing to do...and depending on the evidence they found, they know their belief was right or wrong...that is how science works.
In the case of Islaam...this is the same....except for one thing...the information that Islaam provides (i.e. the Quraan) is given...look in that direction and you will find answers.
Do you know what I think is very stupid about people who do not have a religion?
even they have certain questions in their heads...and science do not provide them with logical answers...
and they have a hunch how to find their answers...which is religion...yet, they do not use this opportunity to investigate...they just ignore this hunch.
Yeah...just do that
This is because Islaam is part of the reality and everything science discovers is in line with the Quraan. All other religions do originate from Islaam, so they also may have some truth in them untill a certain level. That is why every religion seems to be able to explain the scientific evidences in their own way...however, Islaam can be the only right one.
The Quraan is not a science book. it just gives you a certain direction. you have to do science to find your exact answer.
Hi Eric
I do 100% believe people find a sense of peace from their religion, and it does not seem to matter the religion or the god they are worshipping.
How beneficial a religion is, either socially or personally has no bearing on its truth.
I find peace fishing, sitting on the river bank and dawn or dusk, while the river meanders lazily past, it makes no difference if I catch a fish or not.
I agree that we should help those less fortunate than us, to quote Tony benn
We should be the tide that flits the most boats, but we cannot let people continually scupper or boats
Sorry chalks,
you really need to learn how to use your logic.
religion IS reality, otherwise there was no need to believe in some religion when people knew it was just fiction. The trick is, which religion is the right one.
And that which has been passed on, has been changed over time. This is true for all other religions...just not for Islaam. The Quraan has been dictated to our Prophet sas and hasn't been changed a word ever since. so no passing over through a mixture of cultural whatever...nu special privileges...etc. everything is exactly the same like the very first minute Islaam came upon us.
Is that so strange? I think the other way around is much more stranger...to follow a religion where God is just a concept and which you are not really convinced of.
agreed...but it DOED define what "good" and "bad" is.
unneccessary use of the word "particular". Allah is real and should be worshipped like Islaam teaches us. Of course muslims view the world through this lens. It would be strange if they didn't.
I am sorry, but get your facts right. You might be right about all other religions but Islaam has NOTHING to do with culture. everywhere in the whole wide world, people of all possible cultures, all have exact the same religion and with that the same rituals...how can that be if Islaam was just cultural beliefs like you claim?
you sound very certain of your case. could you back that up with evidence or some sort of scientific argument? I guess not.
except that all other religions fail to be logical and Islaam is the only religion that makes sense...is without errors and totally logical.
yet, science claims exactly the same thing. According to the Big Bang theory everything came into existence after the explosion of a tiny instable core with a huge density. But where and how that core came into such situation....even science doesn't know...so where did that came from then?
In your case...you do not have any logical answers for certain questions, yet you refuse to look for answers and just ignore...because science alone does not provide you any.
We on the other hand look deeper and find our answers.
You know...even science ends somewhere...and you HAVE to believe from that point. It is this belief that drives science. People look for a certain direction for logical answers because they believe that is the right thing to do...and depending on the evidence they found, they know their belief was right or wrong...that is how science works.
In the case of Islaam...this is the same....except for one thing...the information that Islaam provides (i.e. the Quraan) is given...look in that direction and you will find answers.
Do you know what I think is very stupid about people who do not have a religion?
even they have certain questions in their heads...and science do not provide them with logical answers...
and they have a hunch how to find their answers...which is religion...yet, they do not use this opportunity to investigate...they just ignore this hunch.
Yeah...just do that
This is because Islaam is part of the reality and everything science discovers is in line with the Quraan. All other religions do originate from Islaam, so they also may have some truth in them untill a certain level. That is why every religion seems to be able to explain the scientific evidences in their own way...however, Islaam can be the only right one.
The Quraan is not a science book. it just gives you a certain direction. you have to do science to find your exact answer.[/QUOTE]
Sorry chalks,
you really need to learn how to use your logic.
religion IS reality, otherwise there was no need to believe in some religion when people knew it was just fiction. The trick is, which religion is the right one.
And that which has been passed on, has been changed over time. This is true for all other religions...just not for Islaam. The Quraan has been dictated to our Prophet sas and hasn't been changed a word ever since. so no passing over through a mixture of cultural whatever...nu special privileges...etc. everything is exactly the same like the very first minute Islaam came upon us.
Is that so strange? I think the other way around is much more stranger...to follow a religion where God is just a concept and which you are not really convinced of.
agreed...but it DOED define what "good" and "bad" is.
unneccessary use of the word "particular". Allah is real and should be worshipped like Islaam teaches us. Of course muslims view the world through this lens. It would be strange if they didn't.
I am sorry, but get your facts right. You might be right about all other religions but Islaam has NOTHING to do with culture. everywhere in the whole wide world, people of all possible cultures, all have exact the same religion and with that the same rituals...how can that be if Islaam was just cultural beliefs like you claim?
you sound very certain of your case. could you back that up with evidence or some sort of scientific argument? I guess not.
except that all other religions fail to be logical and Islaam is the only religion that makes sense...is without errors and totally logical.
yet, science claims exactly the same thing. According to the Big Bang theory everything came into existence after the explosion of a tiny instable core with a huge density. But where and how that core came into such situation....even science doesn't know...so where did that came from then?
In your case...you do not have any logical answers for certain questions, yet you refuse to look for answers and just ignore...because science alone does not provide you any.
We on the other hand look deeper and find our answers.
You know...even science ends somewhere...and you HAVE to believe from that point. It is this belief that drives science. People look for a certain direction for logical answers because they believe that is the right thing to do...and depending on the evidence they found, they know their belief was right or wrong...that is how science works.
In the case of Islaam...this is the same....except for one thing...the information that Islaam provides (i.e. the Quraan) is given...look in that direction and you will find answers.
Do you know what I think is very stupid about people who do not have a religion?
even they have certain questions in their heads...and science do not provide them with logical answers...
and they have a hunch how to find their answers...which is religion...yet, they do not use this opportunity to investigate...they just ignore this hunch.
Yeah...just do that
This is because Islaam is part of the reality and everything science discovers is in line with the Quraan. All other religions do originate from Islaam, so they also may have some truth in them untill a certain level. That is why every religion seems to be able to explain the scientific evidences in their own way...however, Islaam can be the only right one.
The Quraan is not a science book. it just gives you a certain direction. you have to do science to find your exact answer.[/QUOTE]
Hi umit
That was quite a long post, and it covered quite a lot.
I know how to use logic, thank you very much.
Religions are reality ?
That is a disturbing statement.
Your god is real, or it’s not
The Hindu gods are real, or not
The Christian , Jewish god
Or the 1000s of other gods that people have been convinced was real, are real or they are not.
If something is untrue, it makes no difference if it has been unchanged for 1 month or 1000 years.
Of course Islam is cultural,
I began in a certain area of the world among a certain group of people, then it spread as other religions have spread.
Of course you believe your religion is real, and the one true religion
All believers in every religion that has ever existed, believed that their god/ gods we’re really and their religion was the way.
Let me ask you this
Does your religion teach, that it’s the one true religion, that your god is the one true god ?
Just like all the other religions.
The god you believe is real
What’s the first mention of that god in history ?
The Old Testament ?
The gods/god is a concept that people believe different things about.
Islam and Christianity both grew out of Judaism.
Judaism was influenced by Zoroastrianism.
Which no doubt was influenced by some other religion.
Religions are mankind’s response to the unknown.
They all try to attempt to answer the sane fundamental questions
Origin of life
Morality
Origin of the universe.
Oh and by the way,
If you think that the Big Bang theory describes the beginning of the universe, then you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the theory.
There are no real gods
Only those that believe gods are real
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Ok...I had this one question....
Who created u??
If ur answer is that u came from ur mother's womb, then please tell me who created ur mother?. Nd through this, just go back in the history as to who created the first human??
(I hope u believe in history or is it just the present that u believe in
)
If u think that first human was the result of evolution of some animal, then u really need to use ur sense.
Once again let me ask u , Who created u??
Who created u??
If ur answer is that u came from ur mother's womb, then please tell me who created ur mother?. Nd through this, just go back in the history as to who created the first human??
(I hope u believe in history or is it just the present that u believe in
)If u think that first human was the result of evolution of some animal, then u really need to use ur sense.
Once again let me ask u , Who created u??
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It doesn't seem that way unfortunately.
No, Religion is reality...like in the one true religion....all others are not reality of course.
again no, my God is the Hindu God, the Jewish God, the Christian God, etc. All of them describe the one true God, because they all originate from that one true religion.
I agree
No. Islaam was already there when the first man walked the Earth. It is the one true religion It was the religion of Adam as, Noah as, Solomon as, Moses as, Jesus as and Mohammed sas and many many others from all over history.
except that Islaam is the only one among them that DOES make sense...completely in line with science...and is much more logical than not believing in a God.
I understand what you mean, you do not have to repeat yourself that much...But it seems that I DO have to repeat myself:
except that Islaam is the only one among them that DOES make sense...completely in line with science...and is much more logical than not believing in a God.
No, Every single Holy book you can find which is dictated to mankind.
This is your claim without having proof...can you back it up?
No...they all grew out of the one true religion...Why do you think Christianism and Judaism have stories about so many prophets? every time human kind wandered off from the one true religion and created their own...God would send a new prophet to guide them back to the one true religion...that happened with Zoroastrianism, Judaism and is now happening with Christianity...one last time a prophet has been send...which is Mohammad sas...and people are guided back to the one true religion which is Islaam.
That is what you believe...you cannot back it up unfortunately.
Then educate us please...what DOES describe the beginning of the universe?
Again...this is your claim...based on nothing. You think you are backed up by science...but guess what, the joke is on you...science is on our side.
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Why is everyone arguing for the heck of it? Just leave it. Allah guides who he Willis if that person himself is looking for guidance. Don't unnecessary try to convince someone who isn't interested.
[MENTION=44606]chalks75[/MENTION] i would say if you are man of logic and Islam, look into Islam. Read the Quran, many scientific laws not theories but laws which cannot be disapproved are in the Quran. There is also the thing of probability. If a person makes 1000 predictions, sure one may come true but when all of them come true, doesn't that peak your interest?
A chance of guessing on true scientific facts, then another, then another, with so many choices possible but only you predict the right one? At the end it really depends on you. Do you WANT to believe? Or do you preferably living the way you are. I have no ill feelings and please excuse my brothers and sisters, as religion is very dear to them. And sometimes we take it personally and get insulted. I ask Allah to guide us all
[MENTION=44606]chalks75[/MENTION] i would say if you are man of logic and Islam, look into Islam. Read the Quran, many scientific laws not theories but laws which cannot be disapproved are in the Quran. There is also the thing of probability. If a person makes 1000 predictions, sure one may come true but when all of them come true, doesn't that peak your interest?
A chance of guessing on true scientific facts, then another, then another, with so many choices possible but only you predict the right one? At the end it really depends on you. Do you WANT to believe? Or do you preferably living the way you are. I have no ill feelings and please excuse my brothers and sisters, as religion is very dear to them. And sometimes we take it personally and get insulted. I ask Allah to guide us all
Im sorry that your thread is being used for this discussion. You are right...Allah guides who He wills...
However, my purpose is not to convince him. I Just want to make sure that he is not misinformed. As soon as I am convinced that he is not misinformed anymore(usually the point that someone goes back to reuse older arguments and starts to repeat himself), I end the discussion. because after that point, the person just starts refusing and denying, and to continue the discussion begins to be meaningless.
Ok...I had this one question....
Who created u??
If ur answer is that u came from ur mother's womb, then please tell me who created ur mother?. Nd through this, just go back in the history as to who created the first human??
(I hope u believe in history or is it just the present that u believe in
If u think that first human was the result of evolution of some animal, then u really need to use ur sense.
Once again let me ask u , Who created u??
Evolution is a fact.
It’s an observed and testable fact about the universe.
Hopefully you are not making the mistake of confusing evolution ( the fact ) with the theory of natural selection which attempts to explain the fact.
There was no first human.
All humans evolved from a common ancestor, at least that is what the evidence suggests.
I understand you have a religious answer to this scientific question, as do people of other religions.
But that’s just your religion.
Salaam
Its the internet atheist who is (surprise surprise) derailing this thread with his usual preaching and posturing.
As much as its pointless its important to respond, so the impressionable don't get conned.
Its the internet atheist who is (surprise surprise) derailing this thread with his usual preaching and posturing.
As much as its pointless its important to respond, so the impressionable don't get conned.
Greetings and peace be with you chalks75;
I feel we should leave this thread for our Student friend. I have started a new thread asking how could life evolve without God.
https://www.islamicboard.com/health...fe-start-god-life-evolve-god.html#post3026494
In the spirit of searching for God,
Eric
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I feel we should leave this thread for our Student friend. I have started a new thread asking how could life evolve without God.
https://www.islamicboard.com/health...fe-start-god-life-evolve-god.html#post3026494
In the spirit of searching for God,
Eric
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