How many 'Sons' does God have?

[abdul_kareem]

God has no sons

You can refer from Holy Quraan ( Al-Ikhlas )

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Ninth Scribe, I've been on sites where people discuss it and the same people into it seems to be into Wicca stuff aswell, anyhow, if you can teach me it (i'm learning irfan and inshallah don't and won't deny spiritual truths and love of knowledge of the self, believe everything has a spirit etc), but kabala to me seems to have an outside look of spirituality but when actually getting into it, to me it looks like it get's you further away from God and into dark paths, I might misunderstand alot of it but it might just the people I met

You seem to be a monothiest with strong faith, so I would like to hear it from you, if you don't like doing that on the forum, perhaps pm me

if kabala is mystic teachings of knowledge, then it is the equivalent to sufism in sunni islam and irfan in shia islam, but to me so far it seems it is just the opposite of that

your brother in humanity, thanks

Here's a link to a sample of working Kabala:

http://www.songofazrael.org/azrael-1.html

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

ok... hope this is what your asking for-

Matthew 9:15
Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.

John 3:29
The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom's voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete.

Revelation 19:7
Let us rejoice and be glad and give him glory for the wedding of the Lamb has come and his bride has made herself ready

Revelation 21:2
I saw the Holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Revelation 21:9
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the lamb."

Well, this borders on plagiarism... but what can I say? It isn't uncommon for Christian writers to do this, but it all comes out over time... wow!

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

ur makin life difficult :-\ lol, lets take it in the literal sence shall we and its NONE

In the literal sense, there is no son of God. This was a metaphorical title and it caused a world of confusion, so it doesn't surprize me one single bit that God would ask his last prophet, Mohammed (PBUH), to put an end to all the confusion. I just didn't appreciate the cursing part.

But shame on the scribes who put words into the mouth of Jesus - because Jesus understood the metaphorical and poetic title... and, as I mentioned earler to the Christians who cited the Book of John... John understood this title as well.

Ninth Scribe

 

[arabianprincess]

if jesus is god then when mary was pregnant with jesus who was ruling the earth...... that wat i dont get.and other thing how can jesus be the god and the son at the same time .. can someone explian that to me, salam

 

[mas]

dameeeeeeeeeee that anit right .dameeeeeeeee how many god u ppl got. that anit right i am tellin ya people . yall need to go somewhere

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

if jesus is god then when mary was pregnant with jesus who was ruling the earth...... that wat i dont get.and other thing how can jesus be the god and the son at the same time .. can someone explian that to me, salam

This wouldn't be so confusing if people didn't mix the records up in the first place. The term 'Son of God' was given by one tribe, who no longer even exists, to the priests who were 'educated' (eg: had 40 or more years of learning). In ancient Judean records, this title appears for many different people... who were 40 years old. The tribe who used the title collapsed after the Assyrians conquered Israel and the term was only 'shadowed' into other works from then on.

It was, however, continued in other forms such as the requirements Judean men have to be able to satisfy if they want to access certain teachings. I gave one example as Kabala... but there are plenty of others that REQUIRE a male to be married and 40 years old. These 'requirements' came from the records of the Bene Elohim, but they don't use that term anymore - not surprizing, since it's caused so much confusion and aggevation.

The part specifically about Jesus being born on December 25th, from a virgin, having 12 disciples, dying and then ressurecting himself after a Last Supper, etc. - all that came from Mithras, an ancient Persian Sun God. The story is identical down the line in terms of those attributes but Mithras pre-dates the record of Jesus by at least 150 years... some speculate 400 years.

Anyway, that Persian God was adopted by the Romans (who have a thing for artistic traditions) and they re-named him Sol Invictus. Constantine was a follower of this Sol Invictus for most of his life. He later adopted Christianity, the teachings of Jesus and became infatuated with the records concerning his birth. So much so that he went off on a quest to find it, and any other facts. That one eluded him though, so he gave the story of Sol Invictus (Mithras) to Jesus, along with the Temple he owned (which is now called the Vatican), so he could offer a more fitting tradition to Jesus. I honestly don't think he realized how much trouble and confusion this would cause later on - but here we all are

There's been alot of this going on... 2500 years worth, but I'm trying to sort it all out. Don't see how one lifetime is enough, but we'll see what we can do. I will say one thing for certain. None of this is worth dying over... the perceived 'differences' are only human.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Joe98]

How many 'Sons' does God have?


Israel is my son, even my firstborn
Solomon is God's son

Etc etc

Attaturk is the father of Turkey

How can a country have a father??????

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[Ninth_Scribe]

ur makin life difficult :-\ lol, lets take it in the literal sence shall we and its NONE

Deal... in the 'literal' sense, no, God did not have a son.

This was poetic license once upon a time and it shouldn't have been cause for an continued argument, save perhaps for the Christians who adopted the phrase and took it in the literal sense. I have their records too and I know how this all began. This is why I can't go into a Christian church... they make everyone recite the Nicene Creed and I won't do that to Jesus.

The dead can't defend themselves, but there's always the living who can... if they so desire

Ninth Scribe

 

[Joe98]

Christains believe that God impregnated Mary thereby producing the child Jesus.

This means God had a son.

Muslims are supposed to respect others beliefs even if you do not agree. But I do not see any of that.

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[Ghazi]

Christains believe that God impregnated Mary thereby producing the child Jesus.

This means God had a son.

Muslims are supposed to respect others beliefs even if you do not agree. But I do not see any of that.

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Just beacuse you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you disrespect their belif's

 

[PrIM3]

God or Jesus Christ is the head of the Church- we are the body of the Church ( of course I mean the Christians ) ( sons of God ) we are adopted while Jesus Christ always was since He is our (The Son of God) Head..

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Christains believe that God impregnated Mary thereby producing the child Jesus.

This means God had a son.

Muslims are supposed to respect others beliefs even if you do not agree. But I do not see any of that.

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Neither do I, when people who take acid on Sunday, jump off buildings because they think they can fly. I mean, respect is something that has to be earned and fiction isn't the best way to go about it. I don't see how breaking all the known laws that were invoked when the world was created, would do anything other than confuse people. So, no... I don't believe God, by any name... would do such a thing as that. I also take into consideration that if he wouldn't do it once, he certainly wouldn't do it three times! I have three separate records of this, from different times and places... Jesus was not the only 'virgin' birth record in existence... so I do smell a... rat.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Joe98]

Christains ask that you attempt to understand their beliefs.

You don't have to believe it, only understand it.

Any attempt to search out evidence as to why their beliefs are wrong is proof that you choose to not understand. And that is very mean.

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[Abdul Fattah]

Isn't asking questions the only road to knowledge? Of course people will always have hidden agenda's and try to convince the other person they are right. But I don't think you should call a search of arguments against christianity mean. Especially not when it happens on an Islamic forum in teh comparative religion section. By the way, for what purpose do you think most atheists and christians are visiting this section of the forum anyway?
Do you expect us to close our minds just so we wouldn't say anything that compromises someone elses religion?

 

[Joe98]

Do you expect us to close our minds just so we wouldn't say anything that compromises someone elses religion?

Of course not. And so when I ask a question about Islam it is a quest for knowlwdge - not an attack on Islam.

Do you agree?

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Of course not. And so when I ask a question about Islam it is a quest for knowlwdge - not an attack on Islam.

Do you agree?

yes, unless your questions are reasoning against better knowledge. But of course I'd give you the benefit of the doubt inshallah

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Isn't asking questions the only road to knowledge? Of course people will always have hidden agenda's and try to convince the other person they are right. But I don't think you should call a search of arguments against christianity mean. Especially not when it happens on an Islamic forum in teh comparative religion section. By the way, for what purpose do you think most atheists and christians are visiting this section of the forum anyway?
Do you expect us to close our minds just so we wouldn't say anything that compromises someone elses religion?

Thank you. I have no religion and was never educated in religious literature until 1999, so my approach is justified. I will not allow the sons of Abraham to tear me into pieces over their disputes, especially considering that most of these are caused by silly misunderstandings, and I will not allow them to force me to 'choose sides' over who has their records kept in the best order. Trust me, none of this is pretty. It's ALL or NOTHING time folks.

But an axiom is God's law and transcends things like race, religion, sex and species... if one is broken, the world will perish since it's very existence relies on them! Birth and Death are axioms (God's law)... the only way in and out of this... place. No exceptions.

Sorry if I seem harsh, but I have bigger problems to deal with than this. As I mentioned before, the sons of Benjamin and Judah (the Jews) have invoked an ancestral claim to the land of Israel - when their claim should not have extended beyond Judea... a FACT that can be proven by Ezra's (Uzayr's) own records. This, by the way, is part of Al Qaeda's complaint and has to be addressed because that many people will DIE over it - if it isn't heard and fully understood.

I thought I had this worked out, but I ran into new problem... over another term... one that actually does confuse me.

What is an Israeli-Arab?

Ninth Scribe