And also for Budhists to lecture both muslims and christians. Don't you see that you are just doing the same? Anyway as far as you perfectly understanding the trinity, then this shows that you too have no clue about monotheism.
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And also for Budhists to lecture both muslims and christians. Don't you see that you are just doing the same? Anyway as far as you perfectly understanding the trinity, then this shows that you too have no clue about monotheism.
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I'll go tell my Hindu friends about this. They'd be happy at last their religion is now considered a monotheism by the Buddhists. When will you be sending the proposal to Muslim scholars to recognize them as People of the Book as well or should I?
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No, because I am not. I neither 'lectured' Christians on Christianity or muslims on Islam. Please read more carefully.
I see, so because I disagree with you I "have no clue"? You see my point about arrogance? No doubt 2 billion or so Christians "have no clue" as to what they actually believe, either, whereas of course you do. BTW if you look again you will see that I said nothing about "perfectly understanding" anything, just that I find the Christian concept of the Trinity simple to understand in monotheistic terms.
The Trinity is a particular theological concept unique to Christianity. It is not a general polytheistic catch-all and is not relevant to Hinduism.
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As for your saying it is clear in your own words: "I was baffled once as to why muslims cannot understand it that way until realising it was just far more convenient for them not to bother to try". This is deffinitely a lecture in two parts: 1) Christians are on the right path 2) Muslims are wrong in their understanding and follow convenience not facts. Perhaps you might want to read your own words more carefully. Or write more carefully so that you will not be understood differently to what you intended?
as far as clues about monotheism, then you should know that this is claimed by Jews, Muslims and Christians alike, they have the same prophets and the same source of revelation and gues what: Both Jews and Muslims consider Christians polytheists.
Your say that you find the Christian concept of the Trinity simple to understand in monotheistic terms carries no value as you understand polytheism only in terms of: "a general polytheistic catch-all and is not relevant to Hinduism". While this is wrong completely and uterly.
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As a Christian I can tell with 100% certainty that I am monotheistic. Those who use the word "Trinity" to point to three individual and unrelated entities are either very misinformed about what the Holy Trinity is or the concept it is attempting to convey, or they simply choose what they want to believe about the Trinitarian concept.
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I'll solve this problem for everyone--
Christians are henotheistic! -- that way they can worship the "one G-D" w/out denying Jesus as a G-D, or the holy spirit ( as another G-D) or even Mary should the need arise...
Christians are henotheistic! -- that way they can worship the "one G-D" w/out denying Jesus as a G-D, or the holy spirit ( as another G-D) or even Mary should the need arise...
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That is very cute but of course completely absurd.
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I am glad you liked it--- I don't see absurdity-- I see complete sanity!... no point in proclaiming "Monotheism" When to the naked eye, it appears anything but! Henotheism, you can worship the "one G-D" and not deny the others as G-D to, and everyone is happy, and others are less confused about "trinity" or sub-expansion such as in Catholicism-- where every day someone is made divine through some unusual man-made rituals.. !
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What "unusual man-made rituals" are you referring to? Doesn't matter anyway really. Christians know what they believe.
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You are right-- Christians know whom or what they are praying to when they sanctify men who lay in carcasses to G-D like status and ask them to intercede for them-- as if in fact ordained by G-D -- if that is satisfactory then we should "Let Sleeping Dogs Lie" !-- instead of making it an object for a debate with punches and counter punches... to us Muslims that is the very definition of shirk !-- to Christians, it is a form of worship and on the day of judgment shall be the decider-- as is in the Quran
"For each we have appointed a divine law and traced out the way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you He made you as ye are. So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and will then inform you of that wherein ye differ. "-- 5:48
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Early Christians such as mentioned in Chapter 18 in the Quran were true (Monotheists) and are not the same as modern day Christians! So no, not all Muslim scholars would agree that modern day Christians are monotheists but will agree in fact that Christianity started off that way and meandered over the ages!-- And, you are right again about the topic.. it is useless at this point, we don't agree or see eye to eye-- and we can't amicably debate... once it gets to that stage a topic should be closed as it is neither informative not bridging of the gaps.
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The topic doesn't need to be closed as long as we can actually discuss things without throwing out accusations and insults.
As for your characterization of Catholicism praying to saints, that is partly correct and partly false. Catholics obviously believe in an afterlife. They also believe that when a person dies that doesn't mean your relationship with that person is over for all time. With the issue of saints, it isn't about praying to that saint as a god, but praying with the saint to intercede on their behalf or pray for them. Just as Christians will pray to God on behalf of other people, Catholics believe that one can ask a saint to pray for them. It isn't about holding up saints to the same level as God, but asking saints to "put a good word in", so to speak.
No doubt that you might believe that what you believe is monotheism, however in the view of both Jews and Muslims you are a polytheist.
There is a big difference in the God that Jesus believed and those who followed his pure teachings and the God you believe in. He was a monotheist you are a polytheist. We worship the same God that Jesus worshiped. This is the truth.
No statement can be further from the truth. No two muslims differ that the christians are polytheists.
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Of course in my view Jews and Muslims are wrong.
I agree. So are the Jews and Christians in my view. So let's wait and see.:thumbs_up
Its funny how you know better about christianity than me. You probably think that you are some kind of expert in my religion. But you have to learn much more to make such opinions, like for example what early christians believe.