I spent many months on reading islamic websites, like for example islam.online, and i NOWHERE found such surrealistic statement that christians are politheists.
How much Christians know about Bible? What about Muslims?
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I spent many months on reading islamic websites, like for example islam.online, and i NOWHERE found such surrealistic statement that christians are politheists.
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He knows everything - He knew what God Jesus worshipped, and what God i worship. Congratulations.Its funny really because muslims always claim so hard that they believe in the same God that christians do.
I think that it would be easier just ask a christian - how many God he worships. He will tell you, whether he worships 3 gods, or 1 God. Dont think that you know more about christianity that christians LOL!
Than you have wasted your time as you only needed to check what the Qur'an says about this thing and you would see that what you claim to know is wrong. I'll make it easy for you read:
"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs."(4:171)
"They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help." (5:72)
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Its funny really because muslims always claim so hard that they believe in the same God that christians do.
I think that it would be easier just ask a christian - how many God he worships. He will tell you, whether he worships 3 gods, or 1 God. Dont think that you know more about christianity that christians LOL!
As for what Jesus is then nowhere in the bible it says that he is God, or son of God or that he endorses trinity for that mater. Bring his own words if you wish proving me wrong. His words not those of others.
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And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness." (John 12:44-46)
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
Martha therefore said to Jesus, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You." Jesus said to her, "Your brother shall rise again." Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world." (John 11:21-27)
All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:37-40)
Will that suffice?
Let's take it one at a time shall we? So the one that sent him is different than him. We are seeing two entities. Are they both Gods?
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??? It doesn't concern me what you as a Christian believe -- I care only in accordance with Islamic teachings as well as early historical and Anthropological accounts of Arius and Athanasius.
I can still however, pick up a bible and read it in original tongue and understand it better than you, just by virtue that I speak Arabic which is very close to Aramaic, I have also spent a number of my years attending catholic school, taking religion classes and attending mass along with the rest, so I have a good idea of what at least the (catholic concepts in Christianity) is -- (attending religion classes, I believe outweighs a debate on comparative religion.
at the end of the day, Your understanding of Christianly is utterly inconsequential to me one way or the other. So I am not sure what point you are making here? If I accept the Quran as the word of G-D (which I do) then according to it, those who spent yrs in the cave were monotheists... According to the Quran as well current Christians are Moshriks ( those attributing partners to Allah) That is NOT an opinion!--- Again whether or not you consider that the truth, is inconsequential to me, I don't subscribe to your religion or to your understanding of it-- I don't care to hand you terminology in kid glove as to not arouse feelings of discord. It is what it is.. and you are free to worship as you see fit... but by same token don't come explaining to us what a Monotheist is-- the Worship of Jesus, or holy Ghost or Mary or whomever else of saints or family members, isn't monotheism!
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You are "seeing" two aspects of the one God. Jesus Christ, who was of the flesh but also of the Father, or divine. That is why Christ repeatedly makes reference to the fact that those who see Him see the One who sent Him, or God.
So is he and the father the same one? If yes then do not say in the name of the father and the son and the holy gost but choose one between the father and the son then add holy ghost.
Also did Moses see Jesus when it says:
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend Exodus 33:11
And as a special favour God shows his back parts to Moses "And I (God) will take away my hand and thou shalt see my back parts . . . " EXODUS 33:23
So you can see the flash but not the spirit? Are you composed also by two persons but are one? Lol. Who am I talking to now your flesh or your spirit? :?
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The reason for the Trinity concept is that God, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are all aspects of how God makes His will and presence known. They are all aspects of God and not separate from Him.
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Since I'm not God you're asking the wrong person. I'm not really sure I understand your question though.
read it again as it has nothing to do with God but with you. Try to grasp the point.
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Christ is speaking of His will, or in other words, that Christ has no will other than the will of He who sent Him.
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What do I personally have to do with the nature of Jesus Christ? I am not Christ, so comparing me to Christ is a pointless pursuit...surely you understand that.
surely you can read better than that. I said: So you can see the flash but not the spirit? Are you composed also by two persons but are one? Lol. Who am I talking to now your flesh or your spirit? Read it in the context of what was said before.