How the Bible viewed the prophets?

[Grace Seeker]

I have met so many humans who never committed cardinal sins, including my own mother.

According to bible, God chose a prophet to commit the most grievous sin (incest sex with his own daughters).

That is a sure sign that the bible has been corrupted, thanks to those scribes and rabbis.

And then christians here (ir. Grace Seeker) rejected that Lot pbuh was a prophet, because even he does not think that kind of behaviour befit a prophet.

Nice.

No, I reject that Lot is a prophet because I find where the Bible says he was a prophet nor do I see him sent with a message. His behavior has nothing to do with it.

And since, the Bible doesn't consider Lot a prophet, it is also incorrect to say, as you did, "According to bible, God chose a prophet to commit the most grievous sin (incest sex with his own daughters)."


Now, beyond your and Skye's attempts at being rude and argumentative, I am wondering if either of you have anything constructive to contribute to the thread that might actually be of benefit to Danah?

 

[جوري]

No, I reject that Lot is a prophet because I find where the Bible says he was a prophet nor do I see him sent with a message. His behavior has nothing to do with it.

And since, the Bible doesn't consider Lot a prophet, it is also incorrect to say, as you did, "According to bible, God chose a prophet to commit the most grievous sin (incest sex with his own daughters)."


Now, beyond your and Skye's attempts at being rude and argumentative, I am wondering if either of you have anything constructive to contribute to the thread that might actually be of benefit to Danah?

I thought I was being very constructive in highlighting what lies in your bible.. just because you don't like the expose doesn't mean either of us is either being rude, argumentative or non-constructive.. certainly if you don't like what is written in your good book, surely you can convene and see what can be rectified, taken out, or added in!

all the best

 

[Grace Seeker]

I thought I was being very constructive

Which, if true, is all the sadder, for you appear to be aware of your own actions.

Did you also think adding, "certainly if you don't like what is written in your good book, surely you can convene and see what can be rectified, taken out, or added in!" was being constructive? Or weren't you, in fact, just being a smart-alec -- a pathetic attempt at being supposedly witty?

 

[جوري]

Which, if true, is all the sadder, for you appear to be aware of your own actions.

Did you also think adding, "certainly if you don't like what is written in your good book, surely you can convene and see what can be rectified, taken out, or added in!" was being constructive? Or weren't you, in fact, just being a smart-alec -- a pathetic attempt at being supposedly witty?

I thought I was being refreshingly honest.. another council of Nicaea type convention where you decide that a man is a god, and that well this time around it doesn't look so good for god's credibility to send a man to sodomites who at the same time gets drunk and sleeps with his daughters!

all the best

 

[freethinking]

I am interested to know what is a cardinal sin, any breaching of the 10 commandments is a sin all of the same degree of seriousness, also some things which people think are minor sins such as lying or "bending the truth are roght up there with murder and adultery. Sin is sin there are no shades within.
The only sin the Bible teches in unforgivable is to blaspheme against the Holy Ghost.

Every human has sinned most have broken several of the commandments, for example looking at another person to whom you are not married is a sin.
Harsh words of judgement is s sin.

No human is without sin and Include Muhammed PBUP In that with the greatest of respect

Peace and goodwill to all

 

[جوري]

There are indeed gradations of sin as per Islam.. there are also forms of shirk, there is shirk asghar, and shirk akbar etc. these are matters of jurisprudence and tenets of a different religion.
Someone for instance who worships Jesus is a sinner but his sin is greater than someone who uses a blue talisman to ward off evil. both are forms of shirk but associating a man with God is greater than out of ignorance using some blue stone to ward off evil.

Prophets don't sin, they make mistakes a sin and a mistake are different look them up.. I know whenever a thing in the bible happens that you can't defend you like to include Islam or the Quran so we'd all be equal. Well that isn't the way it works out. The religion of God and the people God chose though are human don't commit the sins regular lay people make, else why be chosen?

all the best

 

[Supreme]

But Gossamer, by claiming prophets don't sin is giving them a dangerous God like quality. To not sin would make one good, and only God is good.

 

[جوري]

But Gossamer, by claiming prophets don't sin is giving them a dangerous God like quality. To not sin would make one good, and only God is good.

Not at all, making mistakes is human and expected, sinning is something we can all help especially when chosen for the task of leading by example (apparently except for Christians)

all the best

 

[Supreme]

Not at all, making mistakes is human and expected, sinning is something we can all help especially when chosen for the task of leading by example (apparently except for Christians)

all the best

OK, so when does a mistake become a sin? Forgetting to pray? Breaking the law? Murdering? What can distinguish, in your eyes, between a mistake and a sin?

 

[جوري]

OK, so when does a mistake become a sin? Forgetting to pray? Breaking the law? Murdering? What can distinguish, in your eyes, between a mistake and a sin?

It isn't my 'eye's view' and yes you need to be studied on the matter as it so happens tons of Muslims commit sins every day seemingly unaware for precisely said reason they are unlearned in their religion. Not praying isn't merely a sin it is what separates the kaffir from a Muslim.. a Muslim who doesn't pray is not merely a mushrik he is in fact committing kufr!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

It isn't my 'eye's view' and yes you need to be studied on the matter as it so happens tons of Muslims commit sins every day seemingly unaware for precisely said reason they are unlearned in their religion. Not praying isn't merely a sin it is what separates the kaffir from a Muslim.. a Muslim who doesn't pray is not merely a mushrik he is in fact committing kufr!

all the best

That last sentence is an oxymoron. I am not studied on the matter, so educate me, what is the difference between a mistake and a sin?

 

[جوري]

That last sentence is an oxymoron. I am not studied on the matter, so educate me, what is the difference between a mistake and a sin?

mistake: action attributable to bad judgment like when the prophet (PBUH) told the people not to do certain things to their crops and the crops withered, to which he later admitted his mistake and told them they know best of their agriculture. Sin= Estrangement from god by breaking his commandments for instance being sent to warn against lewd sins of the flesh while getting some lewd sins of the flesh on the side!

all the best

 

[Predator]

If such are the priests, God bless the congregation
　
a) And he (Noah) drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he lay
NAKED within his tent." GENESIS 9:21
　
　
(b) "And he (Saul) stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied
before Samuel in like manner, and lay down NAKED all that
day and all that night, Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among
the prophets?" 1 SAMUEL 19:24
　
　
(c) "How glorious was the king of Israel (David) to day, who
UNCOVERED (became naked) himself to day in the eyes of the
handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows
shamelessly UNCOVERETH himself!" 2 SAMUEL 6:20
　
　
d) And David sent messengers, and took her (Bathsheba); and
she came in unto him, and he LAY (had intercourse) with her . .
." 2 SAMUEL 11:4
　
　
(e) "And the Lord said, like as my servant Isaiah hath walked
NAKED and barefoot three years . .
　
f)That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him (their
father Lot) wine to drink, and the older daughter had
INTERCOURSE with him ...
"The next day the older daughter said to her sister, l slept with
him last night: now let's get him drunk again tonight, and you
sleep with him. Then each of us will have a child by our father.
"So that night they got him drunk, and the younger daughter
had INTERCOURSE with him ...
"In this way both of Lot's daughters became PREGNANT by
their father.

GENESIS 19:33-35

 

[Grace Seeker]

If such are the priests, God bless the congregation

Yes, indeed. And we thank him for such blessings.

How good it is to know, that even as God does indeed call us to perfection, that he does not depend on it. Rather, God is so great as to redeem even our imperfectness and still use us for his purposes and glory. That he has proved himself able to take some of the worlds worst sinners and do his good will with and through them reminds me that despite my failings God might still be able to make use of this broken vessel if I will just allow myself to be malleable to the work of his hands on my life. How great is our God!!

Thank-you, Airforce, for this reminder.