Al-manar
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when we thought of people like Abraham, we had trouble naming any specific message that Abraham carried or delivered, other than the obvious fact that he was a carrier of the truth that there is just one God who is over all, and that local pagan dieties carved out of wood and stone and displayed above one hearth aren't really gods at all. And that essential message should never be diminished in importance. But, still, we couldn't think of any time where Abraham actually spoke forth as one who brought a message on God's behalf. In the Biblical account he is faithful, he is righteous, he is hospitable, he is compassionate, he leads his family, he even intercedes with God on behalf of his nephew Lot. But we do see him functioning as we generally think of a prophet functioning. Yet, we recognize that he is indeed termed a prophet in the text of the Bible itself. We just don't have any idea as to why..
May be the bible may not tell you why Abraham be a prophet ,but the quran gives enough information telling upon what basis he was called a prophet....
I'm glad that the Bible didn't whitewash all of the characters and present them to us as perfect ideals without flaws. .
Others not glad with that , and criticised the bible for that ...muslims and non muslims alike...
eg,
"The OT describes the hell of the past, and the New the hell of the future." Some Reasons Why, Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 2, p. 334.
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind...." The Age of Reason, T. Paine
"But when I see throughout the greatest part of this book, the Bible, scarcely anything but a history of the grossest vices, and a collection of the most paltry and contemptible tales, I cannot dishonor my Creator by calling it by his name." Ibid., p. 38.
-"With Voltaire, I say that any one who admires Ezekiel should be compelled to dine with him." Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 3, p. 482
I hate that story, too. And I agree that it reflects poorly on God as well. I have to confess that this is when it is important to realize that I am not a Biblical literalist and do not believe in a dictation theory with regard to the production of the biblical text. I tend to see the hand of the authors more than that of God in the projections that they put forth with regard to how God viewed these events.
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I can agree no more , and would add ,it is not a wonder that similar hands to those who viewed Noah as drunk ,establishing racism, would view the other prophets in a shameful manners as well.... if not why,not?
Solomon's story isn't pretty, nor are many of the other major Biblical figures, but they seem to be reflective of the human condition more than that which you would rather see us present when it comes to the prophets of Islam. And it is part of the reason I find the biblical narrative of their lives more credible than that we you offer in its place.
That is your logic , but don't forget the bible(as the word of God) has to be approached for goodness, decency, role models, and morality......
take a look at just a sample of those who criticised the bible for such issue (a non muslim by the way)...
Dennis McKinsey. Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy said:Millions of people throughout the world, especially children, often adopt certain figures as role models to idolize and emulate. This is true not only in sports, politics, and acting, but also in religion and the arena of ideas. And nowhere in religion are role-models more numerous than in the Bible. From Genesis to Revelation, prominent individuals abound. But are they really worthy of respect and admiration? Was their behavior such that you would want to awaken your children on Sunday morning to read about their exploits? What better way to answer this question than by describing the activities of each. First are those figures whose machinations are somewhat limited in scope:
* ABSALOM--ordered killings (2 Sam. 13:28-29 RSV) and had sex in the open (2 Sam. 16:22 RSV);
* AMON--raped his sister, Tamar (2 Sam. 13:11-14 RSV);
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* ABIMELECH--killed a city's inhabitants (Jud. 9:45 RSV); and murdered wantonly (Jud. 9:5);
* EHUD--murdered king Eglon (Jud. 3:21-22 RSV);
* ELIJAH--committed murder (1 Kings 18:40);
* ELISHA--lied (2 Kings 6:19), told a man a lie (2 Kings 8:10 RSV), cursed 42 small boys to be torn apart for mocking his bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24 RSV);
* GIDEON--killed (Jud. 8:16:17 the Living Bible), murdered prisoners (Jud. 8:21 RSV)
* ISSAC--lied (Gen. 26:6-7 and attempted to sacrifice his wife to save himself (Gen. 26:9);
* JACOB--swindled Esau out of his birthright (Gen. 25:31-33 RSV), cheated and lied (Gen. 27:19, 30:40-43 RSV) and lied to Rachel (Gen. 29:12);
* JEHOIDA--ordered a murder (2 Kings 11:15-16 RSV);
* JEHU--killed (Kings 9:24, 27, 10:11, 17), ordered killings (2 Kings 10:6-7, 14, 25 RSV), and deceptively lied (2 Kings 10:18-19);
* JEPHTHAH--slaughtered people (Jud. 11:33), and killed his own daughter (Jud. 11:39 RSV);
* JEREMIAH--lied (Jer. 38:24-27 NIV);
* JOAB--killed (2 Sam. 3:27, 18:14, 20:10);
* JONATHAN--killed (1 Sam. 14:13-14 NASB), and lied (1 Sam. 20:28);
* JOSEPH--deceived his brothers (Gen. 42:7 NASB) and committed nepotism (Gen. 47:11 RSV);
* JOSHUA--killed and slaughtered without letup (Joshua 6:21, 8:25-28, 10:1, 20, 26-28, 30, 32-33, 35, 37, 39-41, 17-18, 21, 12:7), murdered prisoners (Josh. 8:29), and hamstrung horses, (Josh. 11:9 RSV);
* LABAN--lied (Gen. 29:15) and deceived (Gen. 29:20-25);
* LOT--offered his virgin daughters to a crowd (Gen. 19:8);
* SAMSON--killed (Jud. 14:19, 15:8, 15), and had sex with a harlot (Jud. 16:1) and lied to Delilah (Jud. 16:10, 13), and
* SAMUEL--murdered (1 Sam. 15:33).
Second are those individuals who are not only well known but committed a wider assortment of nefarious activities:
* ABRAHAM--told his wife to lie (Gen. 12:13), debauched Hagar, his maidservant (Gen. 16:4), sent his maidservant and her child into the wilderness (Gen. 21:14), lied (Gen. 20:2), and married his half-sister (Gen. 20:11-12);
* SAUL--used his daughters as a snare (1 Sam. 8:20-21 NIV), ordered gambling (1 Sam. 14:42), killed (1 Sam. 15:7-8, 20, 22:18-21), stripped himself and acted unstable (1Sam. 19:24), admitted he sinned, played the fool and erred (1 Sam.26:21), gave David's wife to another man (1 Sam. 25:44), and transgressed God by consulting a medium and being unfaithful (1 Chron. 10:13-14 RSV),
* and SOLOMON--ordered murders (1 Kings 2:25 RSV, 2:34, 46), tried to kill Jeroboam (1 Kings 11:40), enslaved people (1 Kings 9:21 RSV), did not keep God's statutes or covenant (1 Kings 11:11 RSV), did evil (1 Kings 11:6), and lied to his mother (1 Kings 2:20-21 RSV, 2:25).
Lastly, are two famous or infamous individuals--Moses and David--who occupy special places among Old Testament leaders. According to 2 Chron. 30:16 Moses was the Man of God; yet, he...
* murdered an Egyptian (Ex. 2:12),
* ordered an armed attack (Num. 31:3, 6),
* ordered the murder of prisoners (Num. 31:17),
* ordered the keeping of young female prisoners for several reasons (Num. 31:17),
* led mass killings of women and children (Deut. 2:34, 3:3, 6),
* ordered killings (Deut. 13:15, 20:13),
* blasphemously wrote he was a greater prophet than Jesus (Deut. 34:10 NASB),
* had a son out of wedlock (Ex. 2:21-22),
* and was excluded by God from Canaan for four different reasons:
o unbelief (Num 20:12),
o rebellion (Num. 27:12-14 RSV),
o trespassing (Deut. 13:51-52),
o and rash words (Psalm 106:32-33 NIV).
And, finally, there is David. Despite all of the above, no individual in the Bible had a more disreputable, more scandalous career. Although the recipient of numerous accolades--never doing evil (1 Sam. 25:28), following God fully (1 Kings 11:6), being an angel of God(2 Sam. 19:27), keeping his commandments of God (1 Kings 3:14), and having a perfect heart with the Lord (1 Kings 15:3)--David exhibited exceptionally corrupt behavior.
* He killed (1 Sam. 17:50-51 RSV, 18:7, 27, 19:8, 23:5, 30:17, 2 Sam. 8:1, 2, 5, 13),
* ordered murders (2 Sam. 1:15, 4:5-12),
* ordered prisoners to be killed (2 Sam. 12:2931, 1 Chron. 20:3, 2 Sam. 8:1-2),
* committed unprovoked aggression and mass killing (1 Sam. 27:8-11, 2 Sam. 5:20, 25),
* gave up seven of Saul's descendants to be killed (2 Sam. 21:1-6, 9),
* requested that Joab be killed (1 Kings 2:5-6),
* intentionally arranged for Uriah to be killed in order to seize his wife (2 Sam. 11:14-17),
* displeased the Lord (2 Sam. 11:26-27),
* impregnated another man's wife, committing adultery in the process (2 Sam. 11:2-5),
* wasn't allowed to build God's house because he was a man of war and bloodshed (1 Chron. 22:7-8),
* lied (1 Sam. 21:1-2, 27:8-10),
* told Jonathan to lie (1 Sam. 20:5-6),
* admitted he sinned by taking a census (2 Sam. 24:10, 17, 1 Chron. 21: 8, 17)
* committed extortion (1 Sam. 25:2-8),
* prophesied incorrectly in his heart (1 Sam. 27:1),
* sent out a spy (2 Sam. 16:36),
* hamstrung horses (2 Sam. 8:4),
* locked up 10 concubines for life for no apparent reason (2 Sam. 20:3),
* committed bigamy (2 Sam. 3:2-3),
* despised the word of the Lord (2 Sam. 12: 9-11),
* admitted he sinned by causing Uriah's death and taking his wife (2 Sam. 12:13-14),
* and exposed himself like a pervert (2 Sam. 6:20).
Yet, despite all of this we are supposed to believe this is a man after God's own heart (Acts 13:22). Anyone approaching the Bible for goodness, decency, role models, and morality, enters at his own peril. .
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