How the Bible viewed the prophets?

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when we thought of people like Abraham, we had trouble naming any specific message that Abraham carried or delivered, other than the obvious fact that he was a carrier of the truth that there is just one God who is over all, and that local pagan dieties carved out of wood and stone and displayed above one hearth aren't really gods at all. And that essential message should never be diminished in importance. But, still, we couldn't think of any time where Abraham actually spoke forth as one who brought a message on God's behalf. In the Biblical account he is faithful, he is righteous, he is hospitable, he is compassionate, he leads his family, he even intercedes with God on behalf of his nephew Lot. But we do see him functioning as we generally think of a prophet functioning. Yet, we recognize that he is indeed termed a prophet in the text of the Bible itself. We just don't have any idea as to why..

May be the bible may not tell you why Abraham be a prophet ,but the quran gives enough information telling upon what basis he was called a prophet....



I'm glad that the Bible didn't whitewash all of the characters and present them to us as perfect ideals without flaws. .

Others not glad with that , and criticised the bible for that ...muslims and non muslims alike...

eg,

"The OT describes the hell of the past, and the New the hell of the future." Some Reasons Why, Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 2, p. 334.

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind...." The Age of Reason, T. Paine


"But when I see throughout the greatest part of this book, the Bible, scarcely anything but a history of the grossest vices, and a collection of the most paltry and contemptible tales, I cannot dishonor my Creator by calling it by his name." Ibid., p. 38.

-"With Voltaire, I say that any one who admires Ezekiel should be compelled to dine with him." Ingersoll's Works, Vol. 3, p. 482





I hate that story, too. And I agree that it reflects poorly on God as well. I have to confess that this is when it is important to realize that I am not a Biblical literalist and do not believe in a dictation theory with regard to the production of the biblical text. I tend to see the hand of the authors more than that of God in the projections that they put forth with regard to how God viewed these events.
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I can agree no more , and would add ,it is not a wonder that similar hands to those who viewed Noah as drunk ,establishing racism, would view the other prophets in a shameful manners as well.... if not why,not?


Solomon's story isn't pretty, nor are many of the other major Biblical figures, but they seem to be reflective of the human condition more than that which you would rather see us present when it comes to the prophets of Islam. And it is part of the reason I find the biblical narrative of their lives more credible than that we you offer in its place.

That is your logic , but don't forget the bible(as the word of God) has to be approached for goodness, decency, role models, and morality......

take a look at just a sample of those who criticised the bible for such issue (a non muslim by the way)...


Dennis McKinsey. Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy said:
Millions of people throughout the world, especially children, often adopt certain figures as role models to idolize and emulate. This is true not only in sports, politics, and acting, but also in religion and the arena of ideas. And nowhere in religion are role-models more numerous than in the Bible. From Genesis to Revelation, prominent individuals abound. But are they really worthy of respect and admiration? Was their behavior such that you would want to awaken your children on Sunday morning to read about their exploits? What better way to answer this question than by describing the activities of each. First are those figures whose machinations are somewhat limited in scope:

* ABSALOM--ordered killings (2 Sam. 13:28-29 RSV) and had sex in the open (2 Sam. 16:22 RSV);
* AMON--raped his sister, Tamar (2 Sam. 13:11-14 RSV);
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* ABIMELECH--killed a city's inhabitants (Jud. 9:45 RSV); and murdered wantonly (Jud. 9:5);
* EHUD--murdered king Eglon (Jud. 3:21-22 RSV);
* ELIJAH--committed murder (1 Kings 18:40);
* ELISHA--lied (2 Kings 6:19), told a man a lie (2 Kings 8:10 RSV), cursed 42 small boys to be torn apart for mocking his bald head (2 Kings 2:23-24 RSV);
* GIDEON--killed (Jud. 8:16:17 the Living Bible), murdered prisoners (Jud. 8:21 RSV)
* ISSAC--lied (Gen. 26:6-7 and attempted to sacrifice his wife to save himself (Gen. 26:9);
* JACOB--swindled Esau out of his birthright (Gen. 25:31-33 RSV), cheated and lied (Gen. 27:19, 30:40-43 RSV) and lied to Rachel (Gen. 29:12);
* JEHOIDA--ordered a murder (2 Kings 11:15-16 RSV);
* JEHU--killed (Kings 9:24, 27, 10:11, 17), ordered killings (2 Kings 10:6-7, 14, 25 RSV), and deceptively lied (2 Kings 10:18-19);
* JEPHTHAH--slaughtered people (Jud. 11:33), and killed his own daughter (Jud. 11:39 RSV);
* JEREMIAH--lied (Jer. 38:24-27 NIV);
* JOAB--killed (2 Sam. 3:27, 18:14, 20:10);
* JONATHAN--killed (1 Sam. 14:13-14 NASB), and lied (1 Sam. 20:28);
* JOSEPH--deceived his brothers (Gen. 42:7 NASB) and committed nepotism (Gen. 47:11 RSV);
* JOSHUA--killed and slaughtered without letup (Joshua 6:21, 8:25-28, 10:1, 20, 26-28, 30, 32-33, 35, 37, 39-41, 17-18, 21, 12:7), murdered prisoners (Josh. 8:29), and hamstrung horses, (Josh. 11:9 RSV);
* LABAN--lied (Gen. 29:15) and deceived (Gen. 29:20-25);
* LOT--offered his virgin daughters to a crowd (Gen. 19:8);
* SAMSON--killed (Jud. 14:19, 15:8, 15), and had sex with a harlot (Jud. 16:1) and lied to Delilah (Jud. 16:10, 13), and
* SAMUEL--murdered (1 Sam. 15:33).

Second are those individuals who are not only well known but committed a wider assortment of nefarious activities:

* ABRAHAM--told his wife to lie (Gen. 12:13), debauched Hagar, his maidservant (Gen. 16:4), sent his maidservant and her child into the wilderness (Gen. 21:14), lied (Gen. 20:2), and married his half-sister (Gen. 20:11-12);
* SAUL--used his daughters as a snare (1 Sam. 8:20-21 NIV), ordered gambling (1 Sam. 14:42), killed (1 Sam. 15:7-8, 20, 22:18-21), stripped himself and acted unstable (1Sam. 19:24), admitted he sinned, played the fool and erred (1 Sam.26:21), gave David's wife to another man (1 Sam. 25:44), and transgressed God by consulting a medium and being unfaithful (1 Chron. 10:13-14 RSV),
* and SOLOMON--ordered murders (1 Kings 2:25 RSV, 2:34, 46), tried to kill Jeroboam (1 Kings 11:40), enslaved people (1 Kings 9:21 RSV), did not keep God's statutes or covenant (1 Kings 11:11 RSV), did evil (1 Kings 11:6), and lied to his mother (1 Kings 2:20-21 RSV, 2:25).

Lastly, are two famous or infamous individuals--Moses and David--who occupy special places among Old Testament leaders. According to 2 Chron. 30:16 Moses was the Man of God; yet, he...

* murdered an Egyptian (Ex. 2:12),
* ordered an armed attack (Num. 31:3, 6),
* ordered the murder of prisoners (Num. 31:17),
* ordered the keeping of young female prisoners for several reasons (Num. 31:17),
* led mass killings of women and children (Deut. 2:34, 3:3, 6),
* ordered killings (Deut. 13:15, 20:13),
* blasphemously wrote he was a greater prophet than Jesus (Deut. 34:10 NASB),
* had a son out of wedlock (Ex. 2:21-22),
* and was excluded by God from Canaan for four different reasons:
o unbelief (Num 20:12),
o rebellion (Num. 27:12-14 RSV),
o trespassing (Deut. 13:51-52),
o and rash words (Psalm 106:32-33 NIV).

And, finally, there is David. Despite all of the above, no individual in the Bible had a more disreputable, more scandalous career. Although the recipient of numerous accolades--never doing evil (1 Sam. 25:28), following God fully (1 Kings 11:6), being an angel of God(2 Sam. 19:27), keeping his commandments of God (1 Kings 3:14), and having a perfect heart with the Lord (1 Kings 15:3)--David exhibited exceptionally corrupt behavior.

* He killed (1 Sam. 17:50-51 RSV, 18:7, 27, 19:8, 23:5, 30:17, 2 Sam. 8:1, 2, 5, 13),
* ordered murders (2 Sam. 1:15, 4:5-12),
* ordered prisoners to be killed (2 Sam. 12:2931, 1 Chron. 20:3, 2 Sam. 8:1-2),
* committed unprovoked aggression and mass killing (1 Sam. 27:8-11, 2 Sam. 5:20, 25),
* gave up seven of Saul's descendants to be killed (2 Sam. 21:1-6, 9),
* requested that Joab be killed (1 Kings 2:5-6),
* intentionally arranged for Uriah to be killed in order to seize his wife (2 Sam. 11:14-17),
* displeased the Lord (2 Sam. 11:26-27),
* impregnated another man's wife, committing adultery in the process (2 Sam. 11:2-5),
* wasn't allowed to build God's house because he was a man of war and bloodshed (1 Chron. 22:7-8),
* lied (1 Sam. 21:1-2, 27:8-10),
* told Jonathan to lie (1 Sam. 20:5-6),
* admitted he sinned by taking a census (2 Sam. 24:10, 17, 1 Chron. 21: 8, 17)
* committed extortion (1 Sam. 25:2-8),
* prophesied incorrectly in his heart (1 Sam. 27:1),
* sent out a spy (2 Sam. 16:36),
* hamstrung horses (2 Sam. 8:4),
* locked up 10 concubines for life for no apparent reason (2 Sam. 20:3),
* committed bigamy (2 Sam. 3:2-3),
* despised the word of the Lord (2 Sam. 12: 9-11),
* admitted he sinned by causing Uriah's death and taking his wife (2 Sam. 12:13-14),
* and exposed himself like a pervert (2 Sam. 6:20).

Yet, despite all of this we are supposed to believe this is a man after God's own heart (Acts 13:22). Anyone approaching the Bible for goodness, decency, role models, and morality, enters at his own peril. .
 
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I hope you realize that the Bible doesn't pretend that all those people are paragons of virtue. Some of them, like Abimelech, are even listed among the "bad" kings, certainly not as role models.

Others are role models with regard to certain aspects of their lives or faith, but the Bible doesn't pretend that automatically means they are to be followed in every aspect of their lives. And to suggest that one who can teach about one thing should therefore be able to teach about everything or they should even been used as an example about anything, might be how Islam views the world, but I still contend it isn't realistic. Donald Trump might be a good teacher with regard to business, but I wouldn't want to take cues on marital relationships from him.

Anyway, this thread isn't about which view your prefer, or which view Christians prefer (for most of us would prefer perfect heroes), pr even which view is better, but rather how the Bible actually does view the prophets. And, based upon your criticisms, I think you would have to agree that, like it or not, the Bible has elected to portray the prophets as fallen human beings, warts and all, rather than as some sort of spiritual supermodel whose airbrushed picture has all the blemishes removed.
 
might be how Islam views the world, but I still contend it isn't realistic.

that is not what Islam would view the bible ...but (with the exception of chritsians and Jews ) the whole world view, and my quotations proved that.....


Donald Trump might be a good teacher with regard to business, but I wouldn't want to take cues on marital relationships from him.

And Lot had experienced incest ,I wouldn't take his advice in sodomy as well....

etc.....

Had lot commited minor sin, I would still accept his advice in sodomy...




I think you would have to agree that, like it or not, the Bible has elected to portray the prophets as fallen human beings, warts and all

yes I agree ... though of the criticism....to be honest.... I don't think such point is of big importance in the arena of Bible criticism....
the bible has more serious problems than how it views the prophets



regards....
 
Thanks a lot for both of you, Al-Manar and Grace Seeker...your imputs were very helpful

Now what about the rest?

1. Jonah
2. Jacob
3. Isaac
4. Joseph
5. Daniel
6. Zechariah
 
Thanks a lot for both of you, Al-Manar and Grace Seeker...your imputs were very helpful

Now what about the rest?

1. Jonah
2. Jacob
3. Isaac
4. Joseph
5. Daniel
6. Zechariah

I wrote about Jonah in post #14 above.

Regarding Daniel:
Nothing is known of his family, but, he is thought to have been of noble descent. The reason for this is that he was carted off to captivity in Babylon, and the Babylonians didn't actually that the whole country into exile but primarily the rulers, leaders, and their families.

His story is found within the book by his name.

He was carried captive to Babylon during the reign of King Jehoiakim. He, and three companions, because of their special qualifications were selected to be trained for the king's service. They were given what was considered royal food to eat, but did not because it was not in accordance with their beliefs. Others in the royal court conspired against by having the king build a golden statue which all in the country were to bow down to knowing that the Jews would not. When they refused, they where to be thrown into a fiery furnance. But when they had done so, the looked in and saw the men in it walking around alive. One another occassion others conspired against Daneil by having the king pass an order that no one could ask a petition of any man or god other than the king. But Daniel refused to change is custom of praying daily to YHWH, and doing so in front of his window. So, of course, he was arrested and the consequence was being thrown to the lions. But two angels shut the lions' mouths and Daniel emerged the next day unharmed.

As a seer Daniel was able to interpret dreams that other's in the king's court could not. He served several kings during his lifetime. He was given visions beyond that of just immediate events, all the way to the consumation of the end of time and is particularly known as a prophet of the last days.

There are a number of similarities between the career of Daneil and Joseph:
--both were carried into captivity in their youth, were model young men, and because of their ability to interpret dreams found employment in a king's court.
--both were unjustly persecuted, but their hardships became stepping stones to honor.
--both lived pure lives in the midst of corrupt courts.
--both died in foreign lands, but still trusting in the promises of God for their people that they should return to the land God had given them.
 
I wrote about Jonah in post #14 above.
ops! I already read that post but forgot to remove the name from the list, sorry!


As for the others.....I wish you only give me the verses number so I will read them directly from the bible instead of typing the whole story here again. But thanks a lot anyways.
 
As for the others.....I wish you only give me the verses number so I will read them directly from the bible instead of typing the whole story here again. But thanks a lot anyways.

This is what I suggested at first, but thought that you didn't want that:
Danah, to answer this question properly would be to basically do a copy and paste job from the Bible to LI. I'll spare you that, but recommend that you simply read the Biblical texts.
imm..I would do that, but thought that I might find a quick answer here since I have so many things to do at the meantime.

But I do think you will do better to read for yourself. In this case, since you are basically wanting to read the prophets' narrative, you might do better to read from something like The Message Bible if you have access to it. It has a good prose style for that type of reading.


The story of Noah is found primarily Genesis 5:1 through Genesis 9:29.
Other pertinent verses related to Noah:

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

Matthew 24:37-39
37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Luke 17:26-27
26"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

1 Peter 3:18-22
18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 19through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

2 Peter 2:4-11
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8(for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.



The story of Abraham begins with his father's story in Genesis 11:26 and continues till his death in Genesis 25:11. Of course, it overlaps with his son Isaac's story along the way.

Given the importance of Abraham, it isn't surpising that he continues to be mentioned throughout the rest of the OT and is also one of the most frequent OT figures cited in the NT. So, I won't try to share all of those passages, but only the most important ones:

John 8:31-59
Romans 4:1-25
Galatians 3:6-29

Galatians 4:22-23
22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

Hebrews 11:8-19

James 2:21-24
21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.



The story of Isaac begins with God's promise to Abraham that his wife Sarah would have a son in Genesis 17:15-16 and continues till his death is recorded in Genesis 35:29 (though after Jacob gets Isaac's blessing in chapter 28 it is really more Jacob's story than Isaac's story).

Other passages of note include:
Galatians 4:28-29
28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now.
(This is understood to speak of the incorporation of Gentiles into the Church by the Holy Spirit on equal footing with the Jews and the need not to have to live by the laws of the Jews to be part of the Church.)

Hebrews 11:9 & 17-20


The story of Jacob begins even before he is born in Genesis 25:21. Probably the key point in his life is found in Genesis 35:10 when God changes Jacob's name to Israel. And in chapter 37, though Jacob still lives it really becomes the story of his son Joseph. Jacob's death is recorded in Genesis 49:33.

You might really be interested in all of Genesis 49, because it seems to be the best record of any prophecy that Jacob might be said to have given.

Another interesting passage is Numbers 24:15-19 in which Jacob (or his family line anyway) is the subject of Balaam's prophecy.

Stephen's sermon in Acts 7 also does a good job of summarizing Jacob's life.

And, as with all the other patriarchs, Jacob is also mentioned in Hebrews 11.




In addition to the above passages, an important summary of the lives of all three patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is Joshua 24:2-4
2 Joshua said to all the people, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Long ago your forefathers, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, lived beyond the River [a] and worshiped other gods. 3 But I took your father Abraham from the land beyond the River and led him throughout Canaan and gave him many descendants. I gave him Isaac, 4 and to Isaac I gave Jacob and Esau. I assigned the hill country of Seir to Esau, but Jacob and his sons went down to Egypt.



The story of Joseph begins with his birth in Genesis 30:23. But it is Genesis 37:3 that sets up the events in Joseph's life, for "Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons" and they were jealous. The consequences of that jealousy in Joseph's life and how Joseph responded is the subject of the rest of Genesis through his death in its last verse, Genesis 50:26.

Like Jacob, Joseph's story is also summarized in Acts 7 and he is included in the list of OT saints in Hebrews 11.



The story of David is more scattered, appearing in many books.

David's geneology is given in Ruth 4, though he is not actually born during the events recorded in the book of Ruth.

We are first introduced to David as a young boy tending his father's sheep in 1 Samuel 16. 1 Samuel 17 tells the story of David killing Goliath, but more importantly in it we see David's great faith in God. David's story occupies the rest of 1 Samuel and also 2 Samuel. His death is recorded in 1 Kings 2:10. But 1 Chronicles repeats much of and adds some to that of David's story. Personally, I find the narrative in 1 Chronicles to be harder to read (probably because I'm not found of the interpretation of events that the author provides with his narrative, but I guess that's my problem unless you also choose to make it yours).

David is also credited with writing many of the Psalms: #3-9, 11-32, 34-41. 51-65, 68-70, 72, 86, 101, 103, 108-110, 122, 124, 131-133, and 139-145.

Of these Jesus quotes a portion of Psalm 110 in Matthew 22:44 (see also Mark 12:36 and Luke 20:42) and then Peter also refers to David and quotes the same passage in his Pentecost sermon found in Acts 2.

Paul refers to David and quotes him in Romans 4:6 and Romans 11:9. And the author of Hebrews not only includes David in his list of OT saints in Hebrews 11, but in Hebrews 4 he also quotes from Pslam 95 and credits the words to David.

Perhaps the most famous use of a Pslam of David is Jesus' quoting of the opening line of Psalm 22, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" --a psalm that, despite its opening line, is a declaration of the pslamist's confidence in God's abiding presence in the midst of all manner of trial. While it may have been expressive of David's own experience, I can also see it as one that anticipates Christ's own death and steadfast confidence in God who "has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help" (Ps. 22:24).



The story of Jonah is almost exclusively found in the book of the same name. There is one mention of him in the story of King Jeroboam II as found in 2 Kings 14. All other references to Jonah are found in the NT:

Matthew 12:39-41
He [Jesus] answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.

Luke 11:29-32
29As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. 30For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation. 31The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here. 32The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.



The story of Daniel is best found in the book of Daniel.

The apocalyptic message of the book is referred to once in the NT:
Matthew 24:14-16
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.


As with regards Zechariah, there are several Zechariahs mentioned in the scriptures. Again, his book would be the first source for information about him. If you are wanting information about one of the other Zechariahs, then you best bet is to do a concordance search for him. Here is a link to BibleGateway.com that will take you to 57 different places that at least one of the Zechariahs is mentioned in the Bible.


I doubt if this answers all of your questions. But we don't have detailed information on every biblical figure. Often they arrive on the scene, do their thing, and disappear never to be heard from or even referred to again.
 
^ then it seems that both of us misunderstood each other. I meant that I wanted someone to tell me the verses and what was mentioned about them, I thought that you wanted me to look for their stories in the bible which I found a bit hard as there are many chapters to go through. On the othet hand, you thought that I wanted to know the summary about their life so you did it in your own words, I am sorry if I was not clear from the beginning....but even though your previous posts were benefecial too and you didn't waste your time on nothing, thanks for that.


I will reply to the above post if I have any questions after getting back to my laptop and read it again inshaAllah. Thanks.
 
Danah, it may be that the book you are already reading (if written by a Biblical scholar) is going to be the best source of information for finding everything in a nutshell, because you're exactly right, getting it from the Bible is going to be like reading the entire Old Testament.

Let me give you a couple of other sources:

a Google Answers post that might give you a feel for when the different prophets were involved in their respective ministries.

All The Men of the Bible, by Herbert Lockyear. Lockyear has written a series of "All the _____ of the Bible". I don't own "All the Men...", but I do own "All the Women..." It has short biographies about the different women: 4 pages on Eve, 5 pages on Sarah, 4 pages on Hagar, 6 pages on talk about Mary, and for others just a few sentences depending on their relative importance in the Biblical story.

Another source for you might be Eerdmans Handbook to the Bible which provides summaries of each chapter of the Bible and expands on individual verses only where necessary to communicate information that would not be generally known. Thus it condenses the 50 chapters of Genesis down to less than 25 pages, which would be enough to tell you about 5 of the prophets you've asked about, and direct you to what specific verses to read in the Bible if you wanted to go deeper on any given part of their story. Jonah is discussed in 1 page, Zechariah in 3, people like Daniel and David would still take a little more effort to get their whole story. There are also articles on understanding the prophets in their own setting. And presentations on understanding the role of different types of biblical material. When you got done reading all of that, you would still have a good reference book for lots of further questions. It is one of the first reference books I ever bought. I don't use it so much any more as a pastor, but at the lay level, I still consider it excellent.
 
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Danah, it may be that the book you are already reading (if written by a Biblical scholar) is going to be the best source of information for finding everything in a nutshell, because you're exactly right, getting it from the Bible is going to be like reading the entire Old Testament.

Let me give you a couple of other sources:

The e-book I am reading is written by a Biblical scholar I guess, but they don't include much about prophets. Very summarized version that's why I wanted to know more.

Thanks for the other sources and for the above quotes from the Bible
 
The e-book I am reading is written by a Biblical scholar I guess, but they don't include much about prophets. Very summarized version that's why I wanted to know more.

Thanks for the other sources and for the above quotes from the Bible
Hi,
may I humbly suggest trying this link: http://www.biblegateway.com/ for details of individuals in the Bible, it has a keyword search as well as passage checkers and if you type a name into the keysearch it will take you to all references of this person. You can also view by any version of the Bible ( except the Jehova's witnesses one!) from the old King James version to the NI version
I hope it helps you it is the Bible online!

Bless you
 
Do you know how the bible views Prophet Lut?

And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

they think he commited incest with his daughters

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Do you know how the bible views Prophet Lut?

they think he commited incest with his daughters
Yes, I knew that.

And, also, I don't know that the Bible views Lot as a prophet (though I may just be uninformed with regard to that).
 
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Do you know how the bible views Prophet Lut?

And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

they think he commited incest with his daughters

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Christians embrace incest and drunkenness especially as committed by messengers surely it is the needed carte Blanche to justify bad behavior of lay people!

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Christians embrace incest and drunkenness especially as committed by messengers surely it is the needed carte Blanche to justify bad behavior of lay people!

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There is a difference in admitting that someone has sinned, and embracing that sin. Neither incest nor drunkness is condoned in Christianity: see Paul's command to expell the immoral brother who is guilty of incestous behavior in 1 Corinthians 5:13 and his commands against drunkennes in Romans 13:13.
 
There is a difference in admitting that someone has sinned, and embracing that sin. Neither incest nor drunkness is condoned in Christianity: see Paul's command to expell the immoral brother who is guilty of incestous behavior in 1 Corinthians 5:13 and his commands against drunkennes in Romans 13:13.

God can't pick a messenger who can't abstain from sins of the flesh when he has sent this specific messenger to warn folks about sins of the flesh, but God thinks that his Nemesis saul can do a better job conveying the message after his death..

got you!
 
God can't pick a messenger who can't abstain from sins of the flesh when he has sent this specific messenger to warn folks about sins of the flesh, but God thinks that his Nemesis saul can do a better job conveying the message after his death..

got you!
The thread is about the Bible view of prophets. And in the Bible the prophets are viewed as humans. God calls them. God uses them. And on the whole they are largely righteous people who mostly do righteous things. But that doesn't make them any less flawed that the rest of us. And they are certainly not exclusively righteous. Just as all other human beings have sinned; so too, according to the Bible view, the prophets are also capable of sinning. In some cases, those sins are reported. But whether the details are reported or not, the Biblical view is that all persons (prophets included, and only Jesus excepted) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Still, all humans, despite their sinfulness, are also capable of being redeemed and used by God. Even unredeemed people can be used by God for God's purposes. The idea that one must be sinless to be a messenger of God may be a part of Islam, but it is foreign to the Bible.
 
The thread is about the Bible view of prophets. And in the Bible the prophets are viewed as humans. God calls them. God uses them. And on the whole they are largely righteous people who mostly do righteous things. But that doesn't make them any less flawed that the rest of us. And they are certainly not exclusively righteous. Just as all other human beings have sinned; so too, according to the Bible view, the prophets are also capable of sinning. In some cases, those sins are reported. But whether the details are reported or not, the Biblical view is that all persons (prophets included, and only Jesus excepted) have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Still, all humans, despite their sinfulness, are also capable of being redeemed and used by God. Even unredeemed people can be used by God for God's purposes. The idea that one must be sinless to be a messenger of God may be a part of Islam, but it is foreign to the Bible.
being human is one thing committing cardinal sin is another, not every human commits a cardinal sin and certainly a human chosen for a specific task which is to warn against cardinal sins should be exceptionally mindful of that.. according to some of your biblical scholars jesus committed adultery three times and we have covered that before.. now, not only did Jesus who per you is 'god' choose the worst of people to warn against the worst of crime but to redeem himself this god came to a charlatan like saul to make things aright.. that is a conundrum to anyone with half a brain cell!

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I have met so many humans who never committed cardinal sins, including my own mother.

According to bible, God chose a prophet to commit the most grievous sin (incest sex with his own daughters).

That is a sure sign that the bible has been corrupted, thanks to those scribes and rabbis.

And then christians here (ir. Grace Seeker) rejected that Lot pbuh was a prophet, because even he does not think that kind of behaviour befit a prophet.

Nice.
 
I have met so many humans who never committed cardinal sins, including my own mother.

According to bible, God chose a prophet to commit the most grievous sin (incest sex with his own daughters).

That is a sure sign that the bible has been corrupted, thanks to those scribes and rabbis.

And then christians here (ir. Grace Seeker) rejected that Lot pbuh was a prophet, because even he does not think that kind of behaviour befit a prophet.

Nice.

lol.. no Christians think incest and drunkenness is just 'being human'

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