How to Make America an Islamic Nation ?

Only trying to regain the freedom we had in the past, nothing more.

Proof please.

in the past, there was no such thing as government cash giveaways to churches for "faith based inniative".
as for bush saying that god told him to attack - i don't have proof at my fingertips, but bush's piety is no secret. neither is his willingness to kill. (i don't really mean to personalize this - the problem is bigger that bush). i don't want to hijack this thread. but i am not alone in objecting to the inroads chrisitans are making to my government.
muslims are not influencing the gov't. - christians are.
and so they are a much much more immediate threat.
 
Actually, the words "separation of church and state" don't actually exist in the Constitution. America was designed for people to have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. While the framers of the Constitution were purposely vague in reference to a Creator, they were just as, if not more religious, than George W. Bush. The faith-based initiative is not government endorsing a particular denomination of religion, but giving the religious community the support and funds to become more active in social work. If this program was designed exclusively for Christian churches, which it isn't, that might infringe upon the "no establishment of religion" section of the Constitution.
 
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem.
Standard we have the answer to everything. Like Saudi has no problems.
 
No Muslim country can be considered Islamic. Only the heart of a Muslim. The day that ALL Muslims accept an Islamic state in their hearts will such one come about, maybe.
 
Actually, the words "separation of church and state" don't actually exist in the Constitution. America was designed for people to have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. While the framers of the Constitution were purposely vague in reference to a Creator, they were just as, if not more religious, than George W. Bush. The faith-based initiative is not government endorsing a particular denomination of religion, but giving the religious community the support and funds to become more active in social work. If this program was designed exclusively for Christian churches, which it isn't, that might infringe upon the "no establishment of religion" section of the Constitution.

i know it is freedom FROM religion. about the other things you wrote, i would need to do some research.
offhand, i am inclined to think it is much more likely that you are correct and i am wrong because i know that you are much better informed than i am on these things. i've learned quite a bit from your posts.
if my fears are unfounded, that would be great news!
 
as long as the american govt treat their muslims equally, the idea of them being an islamic nation is not important let alone urgent. (i suppose)
 


Salaam/peace,


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as for bush saying that god told him to attack - i don't have proof at my fingertips......


well , the following statement is available in many forums but i did not look for Bush's official website if he has any....

The Religious Fanatic:

God told me to strike at al Quaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did



 
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem.
It appears some Islamic countries have race problems of their own, probably more serious ones then in America -

"Slaves in Saudi

...Anyone who has visited Saudi Arabia knows the racism with which ordinary Saudis treats the brown and black-skinned masses that come for Hajj. Like hundreds of Bangladeshis every year, my parents endured these indignities during their recent pilgrimage. When he returned from Mecca, my father told me, "To them, we will always be miskeen (beggar). Doesn't matter what we do, or where we come from. They see our skin and don't need to see more." If this is how pilgrims are treated, imagine how much worse is the plight of the "Guest Worker." Yet, we Muslims remain silent on these abuses -- after all the Saudis are the keepers of Islam's holiest site, so they cannot possibly be racist!"

http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/07/27/d40727150297.htm


Saudi blogger "The Religious Policemen" on racism:

....up until now, we've been one of the most rabidly racist countries in the world, and totally unconcerned about it. Walk down any Saudi street and ask anybody who looks as though they come from points East, how do the Saudis regard and treat you? Ask the Pakistani taxi driver. Ask the Bangladeshi street-cleaner, in his orange jump-suit, sweeping up the tissues and fast-food boxes that we thoughtfully throw out of our car window as we pass. Best of all, if you get the chance, ask our Indonesian housemaids.

Pakistani blogger Isaac Schroedinger adds:

The "All Muslims are Equal" rhetoric is completely hollow in Saudi Arabia. Non-Saudis in the country don't have a right to own property. The Saudis treated them (labors from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, or the Philippines) with contempt. The Saudis would rather bark at them than speak to them like civilized people. These squalid workers would never utter a word in protest because they knew that in Saudi Arabia it doesn't take much to deport a foreign worker. My dad worked in Saudi Arabia with many Arab colleagues. He often worked on the weekend to show his dedication (read: pick up the slack for incompetent Saudis). Yet, he got paid around half of what the company gave the Saudis. You see, at the very heart of Islam, some Muslims are more equal than others.

http://rezwanul.blogspot.com/2005/11/racism-in-saudi-arabia-saudi-blogger.html
 
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Salaam/peace,


It appears some Islamic countries have race problems of their own, probably more serious ones then in America -
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Islam is more than 100 % perfect :statisfie , unfortunately we Muslims are not :cry:

In Quran , u won't find any racist verse. In Bible , u will find that Jesus (p) told his comanions NOT to go to gentiles. Jesus (p) called us
( gentiles ) as pig or dog ( i read Bible long ago ....forgot the exact words ).

In OT , it's hard to find any verse that commands soldiers to be kind to war prisoners , women , children . In Quran , u will find that even in war time , if enemies want to hear the words of God , Muslims must allow them that chance & then ' escort' them to a safe place.

If u want to understand Islam , pl. read Quran , don't misunderstand Islam by watching us ( today's horrible bad ' Mozlems )


 
Muslim woman, good that you brought up the passage in Matthew concerning a woman of Canaan ( Greek by birth according to Mark 7:26 ) being called a "dog". I hope that I can set you straight that Jesus was in no way trying to insult the woman in question.

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not right to take the children's bread, and cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, True, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is your faith: be it unto you even as you will. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus ministry was first to the house of Israel so that prophecy would be fulfilled, but this did not mean He only ministered to Jews.
The word usually translated as "dogs" in this passage, in the original Greek, refers to small animal or a puppy. Because this particular dog had a master, it should be obvious to all that a loved family pet is being referred to so that the term is not being used insultingly. This all begs the question, what did Jesus do? IF Jesus ministry was ONLY to the Jews, He would of sent her away empty handed, but what actually happened? He cured the daughter, and complimented the woman for her great faith. Only two times in the Bible is it mentioned that Jesus compliment anyone on their faith - this Greek woman and a Roman Centurion.
 


Salaam/peace,



........ but what actually happened? He cured the daughter, .


--- Jesus (p) cured the duaghter after the woman begged more than once , she begged ----- yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. So , she was considered as a dog.....is it racism or not ?


Are Christians allowed to preach their reilgion to gentiles ?

..Only two times in the Bible is it mentioned that Jesus compliment anyone on their faith - this Greek woman and a Roman Centurion.

---umm, what about the companions ? Jesus (p) never praised them ? Anyway , that will be off topic here .
 
US an Islamic nation?God,someone seemed to have lost it.
close this thread,this forum might be targeted for some sort of an extremism.well this is extremism,making the US Islamic.
 
Jesus did what the lady asked, according to her faith, not account of her begging.

umm, what about the companions ? Jesus (p) never praised them ?
Only once that I can remember but not because of their faith -

Mat 16:15 He said unto them, But whom say you that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven.
 
That's OK, whatever it's called, it's still my home.

I assume by an "Islamic state", you mean one that is fair and just in its application of theocratic government. Unfortunately, one must be careful what one asks for. The history of theocracy hasn't been a good one.
 

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