How to respond to "You guys hate gay people"

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

You have no right to judge anyone. Only اللهُ has the right to judge.

Islam is peace. It is not aggression or hatred. It is justice and not bigotry. You go back to the essentials of what Islam is and stop casting judgements on things only اللهُ is able to judge.

Hilarious how she's silent towards my posts. Show's her Islamic 'spirit'

I can judge by wait is apparent. Don't bring that rubbish here.

May Allah be our judge on who is right, Insh'Allah.

 

[noraina]

Hilarious how she's silent towards my posts. Show's her Islamic 'spirit'

My silence means that I do not want to get involved in an argument or debate with a brother in Islam and end up saying things I may regret. I'm not quite sure what you mean how responding to you is any sign of my faith or Islamic spirit because it sure isn't. Bro, speaking with other Muslims gently is a characteristic of faith and you are neither patient nor courteous when you are speaking with me.

And in case you didn't notice most of the other members said thing similar to me, so I'm not sure why you are singling me out. 'Hating the sin but not the sinner' is not unIslamic at all.

Here is an example, you are going to disagree with me of course but I'm going to write it anyway. Some people bang on about hating Jews and all that - first of all, in Islam we shouldn't 'hate' anyone, and secondly, it may by they convert to Islam, repent to Allah SWT and become more beloved to Him then we could ever be. To reject that possibility is a sign of pride that we think we are and will always be better than them, I am open to the fact that someone who was once a non-Muslim may become a Muslim better than me.

Similarly if someone committed the sin of homosexuality or zina we don't hate them, definitely we hate the sin as it is condemned by Allah, who knows they may repent in future. It is not our job to hate people, it is our job to warn of the truth, hate the bad deeds, and try to guide others.

Wassalam

 

[Hamza :)]

It is to bring to mind the secret reasons we may deal with people in the first place, or some rather than others.

Many times, people speak to females because they are females, particularly if they are pretty females in some way (which is of interest to males, even if they pretend not to be interested in that way, they are after all animals).

So the point was to bring to mind what reason one might have for even caring what the obnoxious seeming girl says? What is she worth? Why should she be brought to paradise or helped? The Qur'an says to ignore the contentious disbelievers and leave them aside and let them say and bark what they will say and bark, they are not worth a thing and Allah can create others who are better than them.

So I wondered what her value is that she even deserves much effort since she seems rather insistent on her prejudiced ideas.

If she is pretty, maybe then she is worth something more to the man, even as "eye candy", otherwise she is just some deformed mutant insulting Islam and needs no apologetics, her course and destination in hell should be happy news for us.

So the question of this thread was "how would you answer", and if she is ugly I would answer "oh, well I'm not sure all Muslims are the same, but who cares? Enjoy." and "Are you interested in becoming a Muslim or learning more about Islam? No? Alright, bye".

Why work on an unattractive girl or a girl who has no apparent talents or skills who is acting as an enemy of Islam?

Ask "Are you good at anything at all? What are you good at?"

If she lists some things, ask her for proof if appropriate, find her uses. If she is useless, then why even waste time with someone who talks the way she does? Such an ignorant fashion would not apparently make a good soldier of Islam or representative or speaker or anything.

"Are you willing to learn and promote Islam? No? Alright, have a nice day."

That is why I said "is she pretty?", I wanted to bring up this topic of reasons to reject the injunction of the Qur'an to leave off people who say stupid things regarding Islam.

I can understand working on a pretty girl though "Oh, I see the only thing of apparent value about you is that you are attractive to me, let me take some time to discuss with you if these beliefs are what are really causing you to reject Islam. I'd like you to become a Muslim so that I can have sex with you, or at the very least, have you join our ranks in paradise."

haha. Sorry if I'm offensive.

Generally, their hatred of Islam is just plain racist and regarding depictions of "darkies" on TV.

They would sell their souls for money or anything else, and even quicker for evil. As you can see, I don't have a particularly good impression of human beings, or kaffirs.

hahaha that was hilarious

And it made sense

 

[ajr]

Salaam

Hmm...thread’s such as these tend to take on a ''life form'' of its own...

We should at times such as these reflect on and ponder on life after death and ultimately ask the question ''Who do we fear?''..Lip service dont quite cover it, to say we fear Allah and portray the opposite is vital in understanding ones IDENTITY...

I welcome people telling me i dont like gays, because i dont...

Lets review

Gays often blame God for the choice of being who they are, some say they are born that way...

The Quran teaches us the opposite it teaches us that ....Allah explained that when He created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not your Lord? To which they all replied, " Yes, we testify to It:' #Quran 7: 172-173

The hadith further explains....There is none born but is created to his true nature (Islam). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Magian quite as beasts produce their young with their limbs perfect. Do you see anything deficient in them? Then he quoted the Qur'an., The nature made by Allah in which He has created men there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion"#Sahih Muslim/ Book on Divine Decree/No 6423

Another goes like this...
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying: No babe is born but upon Fitra. It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist. A person said: Allah's Messenger, what is your opinion if they were to die before that (before reaching the age of adolescence when they can distinguish between right and wrong)? He said: It is Allah alone Who knows what they would be doing. #Sahih Muslim/ Book of Divine Decree/ No: 6426

And yet another...It is reported on the authority of Abu Mu'awiya that (the Prophet) said: Every new-born babe is born on the millat (of Islam and he) remains on this until his tongue is enabled to express himself.This hadith has been narratted on the authority of Abu Mu'awiya through another chain of transmitters (and the words are):" Every child is born but on this Fitra so long as he does not express himself with his tongue."#Sahih Muslim/ Book on Divine Decree/ No: 6427So set thy purpose (O Muhammad) for religion as a man by nature upright - the nature (framed) of Allah, in which He hath created man. There is no altering (the laws of) Allah's creation. That is the right religion, but most men know not #Quran 30: 30

If we dont adhere to the Laws of Allah then we fall into a slippery slope. To hate an action is one thing, but one has to concede that hating the person doing the action that both Quran and the Bible warns against is just as qualified. Allah Guides, we dont!!!

And to make a statement such as "who are we to judge''

[They are] avid listeners to falsehood, devourers of [what is] unlawful. So if they come to you, [O Muúammad], judge between them or turn away from them. And if you turn away from them – never will they harm you at all. And if you judge, judge between them with justice. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. #Quran 5:42

Nabi Lut warned the people of Sodom, not guide, warned them...so how many daughters or sons do you wish to offer to ''gays'' to make them see their error???

These people choose to live the way they do...so let them...hell is their final abode...

If they choose to make taubah, may Allah guide them to the path upon righteousness...Ameen

 

[sister herb]

Hilarious how she's silent towards my posts. Show's her Islamic 'spirit'

Sometimes it shows the best Islamic spirit not to answer to every (sometimes quite thoughtless) comment but pray understanding to others. A good forum etiquette.

 

[Umar Ibn Farooq]

Sometimes it shows the best Islamic spirit not to answer to every (sometimes quite thoughtless) comment but pray understanding to others. A good forum etiquette.

Moderates. haha the munafiqs of the ummah (the majority) may you be guided but if allah doesn't guide then may he throw you in the deepest of jahanam

 

[Sister101]

Moderates. haha the munafiqs of the ummah (the majority) may you be guided but if allah doesn't guide then may he throw you in the deepest of jahanam

You do realize that your insulting the Muslims the way you do is a characteristic of the munafiqs right?

You should use a capital 'A' when writing Allah's name. May Allah guide you.

 

[M.I.A.]

Hast thou not Turned thy vision to one who disputed with Abraham About his Lord, because Allah had granted him power? Abraham said: "My Lord is He Who Giveth life and death." He said: "I give life and death". Said Abraham: "But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: Do thou then cause him to rise from the West." Thus was he confounded who (in arrogance) rejected faith. Nor doth Allah Give guidance to a people unjust.

 

[sister herb]

Moderates. haha the munafiqs of the ummah (the majority) may you be guided but if allah doesn't guide then may he throw you in the deepest of jahanam

Do you think that with kind of comment you now show good manners and Islamic spirit?

And as Sister101 wrote, Allah is the proper name, which must be written with a capital letter.

 

[noraina]

may he throw you in the deepest of jahanam

There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. You do not insult fellow Muslims, or accuse them of kufr, or curse them - I don't think you have any idea of how impermissible that is.

 

[Pygoscelis]

A lot of it could be mistaking a vocal and hateful minority for the group at large. When I first came to this board there was a poster advocating for the hunting down and murdering of homosexuals. In this thread we have somebody spitting venom at gays and saying you must hate them and calling them filthy animals etc. Any way you cut it, you have to admit that there are a good number of people who call themselves "Muslim" who absolutely DO hate homosexuals for being what they are. Some folks will see that and unfairly generalize it to yourself when you give yourself the same "Muslim" label.

 

[greenhill]

Moderates. haha the munafiqs of the ummah (the majority) may you be guided but if allah doesn't guide then may he throw you in the deepest of jahanam

Salam to you.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. .

But what I have 'caught' is the essence of your point, I think.

Moderates.

Moderates for homosexuality, and your points about women, and I guess it will be about anything and everything. Hence, I'll guess too that for you, everything must be in extremist style! That way, you'll be in the highest of heaven?

Think again. We know zilch and even Rasulullah s.a.w. himself said, his own place in heaven is at the mercy of Allah.

Islam preaches wishing for your neighbours what you wish for yourself. That is the heart! Your good intention for the sake of Allah because He commands you to be that way, charitable, kind, respectful, even so far as to spell out not to insult other beliefs..

In fact, Islam is about moderation. It is not about extremism, exessiveness, but a good steady input.

Remember that our duty is to call people to faith. Give them the good tidings. (As most already know of the fire, we don't need to even go there) and dua the best for people, the rest is not for us to judge, let alone curse. Rasulullah didn't. Even after he was pelted by stones.

eace:

 

[M.I.A.]

"Remember that our duty is to call people to faith. Give them the good tidings. (As most already know of the fire, we don't need to even go there) and dua the best for people, the rest is not for us to judge, let alone curse. Rasulullah didn't. Even after he was pelted by stones."

A lot of them peace and blessings be upon them came to peoples who were mislead, ignorant or rebellious..

Which is something to understand at least.

 

[abumuslim82]

Wslm bro

tell her we hate the sin not the sinner.

oh ALLAH, please help us the ummah of Rasulullah (SAW) ameen ameen ameen