How to Stop the Suicide Bombings

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Grace Seeker said:
islamirama if you have read my posts, I have never dissed anyone for being from some other country than the USA. I have never dissed anyone for being of a different ethnic background than me. I have never dissed anyone for being of a different belief than me. I have never even dissed anyone for being of a different value system than me or for disagreeing with me.

I am a descendant of people who came here as immigrants. I have children who are immigrants, children who are native born, and chidlren who live scattered in countries on 3 other continants. So, I welcome all, and I welcome you.

But I will diss people for approvinig of wanton, unrestricted violence -- that includes both my own government and others.

And I will question why people come and stay some place that they hate as much as you appear to hate the USA. So, why are you here? Were you born here, or made to move here by your parents? Did you come here to work or study in school? Have you immigrated here as a refugee? Have you always hated the USA, or is this something you've more recently come to feel?
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I never said you were among those who people that say such things.

Most of my resentment towads US is of recent years and that is mostly based US actions against Muslims at home and in other countries. Don't think I hate all Americans becuase i don't. I dislike all those that preach hate and islamiphobia notions like jerrfy farrel and pat robertson and your average narrow minded ignorant bigts. Like you, i too do not like uncalled for violence. 9-11 was a sad tragedy and lot of innocent people died in that, but i will not play the apology game and accept guilt for something Muslims didn't do. Let's just say that i'm a product of this society, I am what this society made me as you are what it made you.
 
islamirama said:
I never said you were among those who people that say such things.

. 9-11 was a sad tragedy and lot of innocent people died in that, but i will not play the apology game and accept guilt for something Muslims didn't do. .
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Even islamic web sites like IslamOnline admits that 9-11 attacks were commited by muslim terrorists.
Hatred blinds you islamirama. You only see what you want to see.
 
Aaron85 said:
Even islamic web sites like IslamOnline admits that 9-11 attacks were commited by muslim terrorists.
Hatred blinds you islamirama. You only see what you want to see.
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the truth never changes just becoz of many people declare it or not...

by the way ,if you care those 3000 innocent people who died in 9/11(i m sorry for them too),try to sorry for 655 000 people who died in irak n still dying,n for 100 000 boshniak muslim people which was killed by christian serbians 13 years ago...

dont seperate people as muslim,christian,jew or whatever...try to see them as human beings...

and to stop suicide bombs; non muslim invaders have to go back to their own lands from irak,palestine,chechenya,afganistan,azarbaycan and some more muslim countries.....

peace all...
 
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Aaron85 said:
Even islamic web sites like IslamOnline admits that 9-11 attacks were commited by muslim terrorists.
Hatred blinds you islamirama. You only see what you want to see.
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More like blind followering of you guys is sickening. Check the polls again, more than 1/2 americans no longer believe that BS and many are demanding the truth. Why would dumsfield and bushroot call of any inquiry into 9-11 and make pathetic excuses like "its waste of time" just so they can hurry to go to iraq.

adil,

not 70,000 but rather more than 655,000 dead in iraq in 3yrs, that's more than saddam killed (250,000) in 20yrs!
 
islamirama said:
do you honestly think i would read anyting you bring forth after seeing you defend your soldier's atrocities so blindly?
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dont read it, I dont care, it is a completely unbiased piece by TIME magazine, and doesnt preach hatred towards Muslims or the US. It is a good article, but I just realized that you are just a kid, I dont know why I didnt figure it out before, but that definitely explains your immaturity and lack of reasoning. So OK islamirama whatever you say, keep reading your conspiracy sites and putting money into those crooks pockets, hopefully one day you can grow up and actually look at things from a legitimate perspective. Also let me again point out to you I absolutely do not condone or defend any atrocity or any act for that matter that does not line up with what this country stands for, I dont know how many times I have to tell you that, you must have a very thick head
 
MTAFFI said:
dont read it, I dont care, it is a completely unbiased piece by TIME magazine, and doesnt preach hatred towards Muslims or the US. It is a good article, but I just realized that you are just a kid, I dont know why I didnt figure it out before, but that definitely explains your immaturity and lack of reasoning. So OK islamirama whatever you say, keep reading your conspiracy sites and putting money into those crooks pockets, hopefully one day you can grow up and actually look at things from a legitimate perspective. Also let me again point out to you I absolutely do not condone or defend any atrocity or any act for that matter that does not line up with what this country stands for, I dont know how many times I have to tell you that, you must have a very thick head
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Interesting that you label me "kid" and "immature" just because i don't see it your ways. Only crooks here are those who did 9-11, waged an illegal war, and riping in billions from the oil they are stealing. But hey what do i know, right? enjoy your gov't fed reality ...
 
So i see that it is impossible to stop suicide bombings. In my opinion it is more muslim's case to stop them, not our case. Simply because suicide terrorists mostly kill muslim civilians, in Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan.
I think that firstly people's mentality must be changed, untill then suicide bombers will hurt both muslims and non-muslims.
 
islamirama said:
I never said you were among those who people that say such things.

Most of my resentment towads US is of recent years and that is mostly based US actions against Muslims at home and in other countries. Don't think I hate all Americans becuase i don't. I dislike all those that preach hate and islamiphobia notions like jerrfy farrel and pat robertson and your average narrow minded ignorant bigts. Like you, i too do not like uncalled for violence. 9-11 was a sad tragedy and lot of innocent people died in that, but i will not play the apology game and accept guilt for something Muslims didn't do. Let's just say that i'm a product of this society, I am what this society made me as you are what it made you.
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Something for your consideration:

None of us can completely escape the culture into which we are born and raised. It does indeed effect how we preceive the world around us, from who we trust for information, to preconceptions of others as either being for or against us.

However, I would hope that you are not a fatalist. I would hope that you don't believe that who you and and what you shall become is predetermined for you. I certainly don't. If that were true, then the whole world is on an unchangeable course to some final destinationt that we cannot only not control, but cannot even effect. Whether we find peace or misery in life, whether we find love or hatred, these are all things predetermined for us from the moment of our birth. And I just don't buy that. I think that though the world influeces us, we still have the power to choose. I choose whether I am going to hate those who hate me, or I choose to try to understand, love them anyway, and perhaps even convert and enemy to a friend. And I believe you have the power to make similar choices.

Think abou it. If I am right, you will get the world that you choose to live in. If I am wrong, you will get what you will get and it won't have done any harm to have tried to effect the world for good.
 
Grace Seeker said:
Something for your consideration:

None of us can completely escape the culture into which we are born and raised. It does indeed effect how we preceive the world around us, from who we trust for information, to preconceptions of others as either being for or against us.

However, I would hope that you are not a fatalist. I would hope that you don't believe that who you and and what you shall become is predetermined for you. I certainly don't. If that were true, then the whole world is on an unchangeable course to some final destinationt that we cannot only not control, but cannot even effect. Whether we find peace or misery in life, whether we find love or hatred, these are all things predetermined for us from the moment of our birth. And I just don't buy that. I think that though the world influeces us, we still have the power to choose. I choose whether I am going to hate those who hate me, or I choose to try to understand, love them anyway, and perhaps even convert and enemy to a friend. And I believe you have the power to make similar choices.

Think abou it. If I am right, you will get the world that you choose to live in. If I am wrong, you will get what you will get and it won't have done any harm to have tried to effect the world for good.
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I'm not a fatalist. The world does influence and we we too have the power to choose. I choose not to be influenced by US Media and be like your average american who thinks they are the best people in the world, most right, and everone else needs to learn from them. I don't believe the lies the US media feeds its' people. I see the stuff happening in the world and base my views on that. US is an open enemy to Islam, it is a war on Islam and not any "terror" as bushroot claims. 25 Muslim countries believe that as well as many who have not been polled. i choose to hate those that hate me and my religion, wage wars against us, glame us for crimes they and glame on us.

As someone here said, no one in canada believes what the US media says. No one there believes Muslims are terrorists or anything remotely close. Why? becuase there is lot of multicultralism there and people are lot more sense.
 
Isn't there some forum rule against posting conspiracy theories? Just curious.
 
islamirama said:
That's what they are to close minded people who refuse to even listen and judge based on that. If you come your mind made up for you by the bush administration then not much can be done about that.


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It is a conspiracy theory. It is absurd and very insulting to have this same juvenile conspiracy theory posted over and over again on every subject known to mankind. If you think the Jews did it, fine. If you think the evil Mr. Bush planned it, fine. We get the point. It isn't necessary to keep posting articles from prisonplanet or infowars. It isn't like you are the only person on the planet that ever heard of this conspiracy.
 
Keltoi said:
It is a conspiracy theory. It is absurd and very insulting to have this same juvenile conspiracy theory posted over and over again on every subject known to mankind. If you think the Jews did it, fine. If you think the evil Mr. Bush planned it, fine. We get the point. It isn't necessary to keep posting articles from prisonplanet or infowars. It isn't like you are the only person on the planet that ever heard of this conspiracy.
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Then you must know how we feel with lies blaming Muslims for everything repeated over and over and over again.

the links i just gave you are news clips from your media, posted on youtube. Listen from the horse's own mouth. But you don't even want to do that. What else can one say to such a close minded person?
 
islamirama said:
Then you must know how we feel with lies blaming Muslims for everything repeated over and over and over again.

the links i just gave you are news clips from your media, posted on youtube. Listen from the horse's own mouth. But you don't even want to do that. What else can one say to such a close minded person?
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Sorry to break it to you, but "George Bush and his Lying Friends by Wam250" is not part of "our" media.
 
islamirama said:
Yea, we know what exactly is going on even when kuffard deny it!


"One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal. Then his car blew up.

"There was another man, trained by the Americans for the police. He too was given a mobile and told to drive to an area where there was a crowd - maybe a protest - and to call them and tell them what was happening. Again, his new mobile was not working. So he went to a landline phone and called the Americans and told them: 'Here I am, in the place you sent me and I can tell you what's happening here.' And at that moment there was a big explosion in his car."


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Khadduri's report went like this: "A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to retrieve his license… we have forwarded your papers and license to al-Kadhimia police station for processing. …The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the back seat and along the two back doors.

(2) On May 13, 2005, a 64 years old Iraqi farmer, Haj Haidar Abu Sijjad, took his tomato load in his pickup truck from Hilla to Baghdad, accompanied by Ali, his 11 years old grandson. They were stopped at an American check point and were asked to dismount. ….A minute later, his grandson told him that he saw one of the American soldiers putting a grey melon size object in the back among the tomato containers. "They intended it to explode in Baghdad …'.
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Wait, what are you saying exactly here? Clearly that the suicide and car bombs in Iraq are perpetrated by the US. But why stop there? What about the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan? Same story no doubt? And in Morrocco. Americans as well? The attacks in Bali. Americans? In Algiers. Americans? And Sharm-al-sheik? In Kashmir? In India? In Turkey? In Saudi Arabia? In Jordan? What about the Madrid train bombings? The London tube bombings? Heck what about the attacks in Israel? Etc etc etc...

Where does American complicity stop and where do Muslim groups come into play? Could you provide some clarity on that?
 
KAding said:
Wait, what are you saying exactly here? Clearly that the suicide and car bombs in Iraq are perpetrated by the US. But why stop there? What about the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan? Same story no doubt? And in Morrocco. Americans as well? The attacks in Bali. Americans? In Algiers. Americans? And Sharm-al-sheik? In Kashmir? In India? In Turkey? In Saudi Arabia? In Jordan? What about the Madrid train bombings? The London tube bombings? Heck what about the attacks in Israel? Etc etc etc...

Where does American complicity stop and where do Muslim groups come into play? Could you provide some clarity on that?
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That's just the problem, every bombing in the world is blamed on Muslims. Like muslims are the only ones with such capabilities. Only people blowing religious places and markets are these invaders. Divide and conquer is their oldest strategy, make the shia and sunni fight each other and then they can pick out the fighters from both side. Here what Iraqis have to say to the bush Democracy ch. - iraq

Other bombings all have some or no connections with Muslims. Either they are done by CIA or other cover't agents to start trouble there or they are done by Muslims and done as REaction to something done first. There's bombings in these areas (In Kashmir? In India? In Turkey? In Saudi Arabia? In Jordan? Algiers? Bali?) Not suicide bombings, get your facts straight.

as for lond bombing, here's the video they keep showing to the world. Not a very convincing video if you ask me.

London 7/7
 
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islamirama said:
Interesting that you label me "kid" and "immature" just because i don't see it your ways. Only crooks here are those who did 9-11, waged an illegal war, and riping in billions from the oil they are stealing. But hey what do i know, right? enjoy your gov't fed reality ...
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not because you dont see views my way, but because you only see things from one way. When you post you seem like some sort of backwoods crack pot fanatic, who has no clue about world affairs or anything other than what is reported on conspiracy sites, and hand pick news reports that suit your opinions. It really doesnt matter everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there will always be people like you, and that is why Michael Moore will get to continue making money. The things you present as fact are utterly ridiculous and everyone know it, that is why other than a handful of people no one else is even responding to you. The US did not do 9/11 it is fact and has been claimed by bin Laden many times. The people who did it even left testimony to that fact, but you seem to not want to bring that up. The oil you speak of is also a joke, show me one drop of stolen or free oil. Give me one ounce of solid proof... It is just a very ignorant thought process that you have, and you are obviously not very well versed or educated on these matters and it shine through your posts like the sun on a hot summer day. So go ahead, the more I see of your conspiracy posts, I am not responding to any of them anymore, and neither should anyone else for that matter. You are hopeless, instead of trying to help you to look at things from more than one perspective I will just start reporting your posts as the conspiracies that they are, and since conspiracy is against the rules on this forum, they will surely be deleted. Good luck in your endeavors to prove the the free world that Muslims are free of any guilt or actions that are taken around the world and that the evil US is responsible for all of it. The only people that will listen are the other goof balls.

PEACE
 
and to stop suicide bombs; non muslim invaders have to go back to their own lands from irak,palestine,chechenya,afganistan,azarbaycan and some more muslim countries.....
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this will not get rid of the idea that suicide bombers go straight t o paradise a s martyrs......

there will still be people who disagree with someone muslim or not muslim and blow themselves up. look at what is happening now. they are killing eachother, muslims blowing themselves up and harming other muslims and WORST OF ALL CHILDREN!!
 
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