How Traditional Muslim Books are Being Changed - Shaykh Hamza Yusuf

Misbah-Abd said:
And this misguidance that I see prevalent on here that Islam is between a servant and his Lord and that is the extent of it without the need to establish the Law of Allah and implement it in the society and not just personally is so blatantly false and contrary to the seerah and Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.a.w and his companions r.a. And this nonsense that it's the 21st century, and with "globalization" that it is no longer obligatory to establish Khilafah and Shariah and is just an excuse to not come to the unpleasant terms of what Allah demands of his servants. So it's easier to either be willfully ignorant of such issues or lie and say there is "ijmaa" on such issues when clearly there isn't. Just marginalize your Creator to your personal life and leave the rest up to the creation to govern the world. And these sufi's think that is something original when the People of the Book preceded them with secularist concepts such as "separation between church and state." And Allah Knows Best.

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And this misguidance that I see prevalent on here that Islam is between a servant and his Lord and that is the extent of it without the need to establish the Law of Allah and implement it in the society and not just personally is so blatantly false and contrary to the seerah and Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.a.w and his companions r.a. And this nonsense that it's the 21st century, and with "globalization" that it is no longer obligatory to establish Khilafah and Shariah and is just an excuse to not come to the unpleasant terms of what Allah demands of his servants. So it's easier to either be willfully ignorant of such issues or lie and say there is "ijmaa" on such issues when clearly there isn't. Just marginalize your Creator to your personal life and leave the rest up to the creation to govern the world. And these sufi's think that is something original when the People of the Book preceded them with secularist concepts such as "separation between church and state." And Allah Knows Best.
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are you lamenting about The Ottomans now?
 
Zafran said:
Your a salafi your entire post is IslamQA and salafi made up history of Al Ghazali - Al Ghazali was a a sufi/sunni/ashari just like Fakr udin Razi and Qarfi. Suyuti, subki etc.

Ibn Taymiya (ra) was a great scholar but still controversial who was from the Hanabli school just like abdul qadir al Jalani.

Abdul Wahhab and the salafis were against the Ottoman khalifa - Now you love the Khalifa? The rest is conspiracy theory about CIA and God Knows what.

Read Al Ghazali yourself and dont Islam QA everything.
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Islamqa gives evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. And they don't say xyz because they said so, they say majority of the scholars of this view or that and this is the correct view or that, unlike other sites quote here of a single imam giving his own opinion rather then a scholarly committee answering the questions.

I also go to islamweb.net if you haven't noticed and would consider other sites that are from Quran/sunnah giving proper detailed evidence as proof.

Something you should learn to do as well rather then quote what indo sub continent people taught you.

Abdul Wahab was from Nadj, land that was NOT part of the ottoman empire. The empire did not expand that far. The lies you spur against the great imam only shows your own level of character and ignorance of history. Here's something to educate yourself a little:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XujcMsBHkCQ
 
Zzz_ said:
Islamqa gives evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. And they don't say xyz because they said so, they say majority of the scholars of this view or that and this is the correct view or that, unlike other sites quote here of a single imam giving his own opinion rather then a scholarly committee answering the questions.
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No the scholars of the salafis are Ibn Taymiya(ra) Ibn Qayim Jawzi(ra) Abdul wahab, al bani, Fawzan, Baz, Ibn Utthymeen etc etc - it is not the majority scholars - they come from Hanbali madhab but have differnt views after Abdul wahab.

This does not take in consideration of the Al Kourine or zaytun in North africa (maliki) al Azhar in Egypt - Indonesia or Malaysia (shafi) or Turkey and sub Continent (hanafi)

Use scholars in your area and not websites. Read books as well.


Zzz_ said:
Something you should learn to do as well rather then quote what indo sub continent people taught you.
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where?
Zzz_ said:
Abdul Wahab was from Nadj, land that was NOT part of the ottoman empire. The empire did not expand that far. The lies you spur against the great imam only shows your own level of character and ignorance of history. Here's something to educate yourself a little:
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he was against the Kahlifat - so were his successors the sauds. History hurts. How old are you by the way and how long have you been a salafi? where are you from? I thought you said you didn't identify as salafi? confused?
 
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Just take the good and leave the bad from him
If we keep following people accusations then nouman Ali khan is not good because of the scandal and hamza Yusuf is not good because of his teaching and the others also have problems then who's leading the ummah ?
Hamza Yusuf guided millions of peoples and many became Muslims because of him and also the important he look sincere in what he's doing .
By the way Muslims don't call other Muslims kafir it's a sin
 
Salaam

This debate reminds me of this


The whole point is that nobody should alter and distort Islamic texts, they must be preserved.
 
Junon said:
SalaamThis debate reminds me of this
The whole point is that nobody should alter and distort Islamic texts, they must be preserved.
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agree, and it's a big sin as well:wa:
 

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