Huge Ralley marks Iran Revolution

[Skavau]

it wasnt a sham election, but with all pleasure, you hoodlums can keep going onto the streets, i will be more than happy watching you thugs getting humiliated.

Can you qualify this please? You support the violent quelling of protests by a government?

 

[The_Prince]

Can you qualify this please? You support the violent quelling of protests by a government?

oh yes i do, infact they have been too soft for my liking, these hoodlums have been rampaging across the streets for far too long, attacking buildings, cars, buses, people couldnt even go out of their homes because of these people, so what would you want to be done with them, hand them roses and cookies????

you have no problems in the opposition using violence to try to get what they want. people like you are trying to paint the opposition movement as this rosy nice innocent group, when we know thats not the case, they are a bunch of savages calling for death on the streets while they causing their mayhem.

 

[Skavau]

oh yes i do, infact they have been too soft for my liking, these hoodlums have been rampaging across the streets for far too long, attacking buildings, cars, buses, people couldnt even go out of their homes because of these people, so what would you want to be done with them, hand them roses and cookies????

you have no problems in the opposition using violence to try to get what they want. people like you are trying to paint the opposition movement as this rosy nice innocent group, when we know thats not the case, they are a bunch of savages calling for death on the streets while they causing their mayhem.

So if you believed the protesters were responding with dignity and peaceful protests, would you have an issue with their objectives and motives?

Also I should like to inquire how you would suggest a group of people who believe they are ruled by a corrupt government that infringes on personal liberty, free speech and creates sham elections should react? Nevermind what you think the Iranian government is guilty of or not, it is clear that at least many in the anti-government movement believe that the current government and the clerics that control it are not fit to run and deserving of removal. What do you propose they do in the face of presumed repression? What would you do if your current nation decided that Islam was unconstitutional and all Muslims must register to deconvert to a specific mandated religion. Would you accept it?

 

[The_Prince]

So if you believed the protesters were responding with dignity and peaceful protests, would you have an issue with their objectives and motives?

Also I should like to inquire how you would suggest a group of people who believe they are ruled by a corrupt government that infringes on personal liberty, free speech and creates sham elections should react? Nevermind what you think the Iranian government is guilty of or not, it is clear that at least many in the anti-government movement believe that the current government and the clerics that control it are not fit to run and deserving of removal. What do you propose they do in the face of presumed repression? What would you do if your current nation decided that Islam was unconstitutional and all Muslims must register to deconvert to a specific mandated religion. Would you accept it?

if they protested peacefully in a proper manner, i dont have a problem with that, but when they go around smashing everything up, chanting death threats etc, then i have a problem with that.

as for them believing the government is corrupt, thats their problem isnt it? because not everyone believes that, they claim the election was stolen, the election wasnt stolen, they just cant stand the fact they lost, so they went on a rampage.

many in america believe the government is corrupt, and not fit to run the country, so i guess they now have a right to go on a violent rampage?

you see its all double standards, lol, deep down you believe these green movement people do have a right to violence just because they feel the government is corrupt and not fit, but you would never apply the same standard to people who think the same of american governments, or british governments. heck have you seen the polls in america?????????

 

[Skavau]

if they protested peacefully in a proper manner, i dont have a problem with that, but when they go around smashing everything up, chanting death threats etc, then i have a problem with that.

Okay

as for them believing the government is corrupt, thats their problem isnt it? because not everyone believes that, they claim the election was stolen, the election wasnt stolen, they just cant stand the fact they lost, so they went on a rampage.

How do you know that they do not sincerely believe that the election was a fraud? Judging by the sizable amount of people that turn up and cause this bother, it has to be more than sour grapes.

you see its all double standards, lol, deep down you believe these green movement people do have a right to violence just because they feel the government is corrupt and not fit, but you would never apply the same standard to people who think the same of american governments, or british governments. heck have you seen the polls in america?????????

That would depend, sir. We have political corruption in the UK and the USA has corruption likewise. But there is no anti-free speech legislation, there is no rule regarding protests that they are forbidden. You can through the law, if you have enough support over time - make an impact.

If however, the UK or USA became a fascist state - then ultimately, they bring these things upon themselves. I would not, as an example decry the possibility of the citizens of North Korea, if they felt brave or disgruntled enough to uprise and otherthrow the 'dear leader'. Same with Zimbabwe and many other states.

 

[جوري]

really there is free speech when there is justification of dropping bombs on villages hoping to seek one man for an alleged contact with Major Hasan (the fort crap bomber)?

you really need to give up this phony charade, I don't know how much longer you can keep it up!

 

[Maryan0]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

 

[Rabi Mansur]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

Very good point. But it still doesn't make it right.

:wa:

 

[Asiyah3]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

:wa:
Excellent point!

 

[Asiyah3]

Very good point. But it still doesn't make it right.

:wa:

Likewise applies to Africa and Asia. Don't you agree?

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Likewise applies to Africa and Asia. Don't you agree?

Sham elections should be opposed and pointed out wherever they occur.

:wa:

 

[Skavau]

If leaders like Ahmadenijad and Mugabe were not so outspokenly opposed to the west would westerners even care about whether they stole the elections or not? I don't think so. Many pro-western leaders steal elections everyday in Africa and Asia and I never hear any outcry from the west about it. I hate this false concern that certain people show when it's convenient.
salam

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

 

[جوري]

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

human rights are always better served by means of atheism or western bull****..
structure and decency are a faux pas of course.. however, 20 or 15 million dead in one shot is admirable.. western style voyeurism and scatology a la mode of abu gharib and gitmo again very admirable, carpet bombing and incest well what better crystallizes western liberal democracy if not for frank degeneracy? ..

say here is an idea, why don't you scurry along to folks who share your values? Your views really are unwelcome here!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

You're quite right. The hypocrisy is disgraceful. The biggest example of this is the fact that the west is friendly with Saudi Arabia. That theocratic control state is and remains in complete opposition to anyone who values human rights, and yet our leaders pay great homage to them.

I agree, and that's why Western leaders have double standards. They pursue their own agenda, for example, in Saudi Arabia, and China, without sparing a second thought to the atrocious human rights records those countries have.

 

[RunWildKangaroo]

Human rights is a double-edged sword. There are only two ways - all people observes human rights or nobody observes them, tertium non datur. But if we speaks about islamic states - just look closely, there are some type of human rights, more effectively and fair than liberal. For example - one man kill somebody, he goes to the prison, escape from it and kill somebody again and what do western liberal system...It's just put him into prison again in spite of his congenital inclination to murdering... And there are thousand of same examples.
About an aggressive revolutionists - well look at Russian 1917 and you understand what result it may be...cause this systems are same at much aspects.