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I have been conversing in PM with a fellow member from here who is a convert bro residing in europe. The topics we have touched are genetics, human origin, races, and of the sort. With his permission, i'm opening this thread so we can get more views on the matter, both, in terms of Islam and in terms of science. I"ll share some of his views and what I"ve stated to start off.
Does mankind have one origin, one adam and eve ?
I said,
Regarding taking Adam's story literally. Yes, you have to take that literally bro. Not only all 3 abrahamic faiths tell the same story but the Quran clearly states the origin of man. Deny that is denying the verses, which is tantamount to disbelief.
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." (Quran 38:71-72)
“And God said: ‘O Mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam) and from Him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women.’” (Quran 4:1)
His was of the view,
If one adam and one eve was the beginning then how did we spread?
‘Abbas, by Murrah from Ibn Mas‘ood and by other companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that Adam did not have (in his grandchildren) a baby boy unless it was accompanied by a girl, so he married the male of a couple to the female of another, and the female of a couple to the male of another.
If we look at it from a scientific view point then Richard Buggs, an Oxford University-trained evolutionary genomicist at Queen Mary University of London, sheds light on this.
"...population geneticists (M. Nei, T. Maruyama and R. Chakraborty 1975 Evolution, 29(1):1-10) showed that even a bottleneck of a single pair would not lead to massive decreases in genetic diversity, if followed by rapid population growth... From a bottleneck of a single fertilised female, if population size doubles every generation, after many generations the population will have over half of the heterozygosity of the population before the bottleneck (Barton and Charlesworth 1984, Ann. Rev. Ecol. Syst. 15:133-64). If population growth is faster than this, the proportion of heterozygosity maintained will be higher. This means that a single pair of individuals can carry a great deal of heterozygosity with them through a bottleneck, if they come from an ancestral population with high diversity, and they will pass that on to the population they found, so long as it grows rapidly..." - https://evolutionnews.org/2018/01/adam-and-the-genome-and-human-genetic-diversity
I said Allah says He created us in tribes and nations so we can get to know one another and that inter-race marriages make good looking babies. And that intermarrying creates a bigger gene pool and strengthens the traits and genes your kids will inherit.
He was of the view,
And he is of the view that his european race is big and strong and is incompatible with the little poodle asian race to inter marry.
My last reply to him was that the white europeans came from the little brown asians he looks down upon so much. The white people are the newest kid on the block, not someone superior as they think but rather as a result of a mutation of one of those brown people, much like how their blue eyes are also a result of mutation and deviation from the normal masses of the time. There are different studies on this subject. One study shows the irish descendant from the syrians. Another study shows most euopeans most likely came from people of hindus Valley (indian subcontinent) since they show the most variation in skin complexion within their group and also most variation in their skin color change (tanning) from sun light exposure vs lack of sun light.
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/t...-and-the-middle-east-239166271-239671671.html
I have been conversing in PM with a fellow member from here who is a convert bro residing in europe. The topics we have touched are genetics, human origin, races, and of the sort. With his permission, i'm opening this thread so we can get more views on the matter, both, in terms of Islam and in terms of science. I"ll share some of his views and what I"ve stated to start off.
Does mankind have one origin, one adam and eve ?
I said,
Regarding taking Adam's story literally. Yes, you have to take that literally bro. Not only all 3 abrahamic faiths tell the same story but the Quran clearly states the origin of man. Deny that is denying the verses, which is tantamount to disbelief.
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay". So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." (Quran 38:71-72)
“And God said: ‘O Mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam) and from Him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women.’” (Quran 4:1)
His was of the view,
If one adam and one eve was the beginning then how did we spread?
‘Abbas, by Murrah from Ibn Mas‘ood and by other companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) that Adam did not have (in his grandchildren) a baby boy unless it was accompanied by a girl, so he married the male of a couple to the female of another, and the female of a couple to the male of another.
If we look at it from a scientific view point then Richard Buggs, an Oxford University-trained evolutionary genomicist at Queen Mary University of London, sheds light on this.
"...population geneticists (M. Nei, T. Maruyama and R. Chakraborty 1975 Evolution, 29(1):1-10) showed that even a bottleneck of a single pair would not lead to massive decreases in genetic diversity, if followed by rapid population growth... From a bottleneck of a single fertilised female, if population size doubles every generation, after many generations the population will have over half of the heterozygosity of the population before the bottleneck (Barton and Charlesworth 1984, Ann. Rev. Ecol. Syst. 15:133-64). If population growth is faster than this, the proportion of heterozygosity maintained will be higher. This means that a single pair of individuals can carry a great deal of heterozygosity with them through a bottleneck, if they come from an ancestral population with high diversity, and they will pass that on to the population they found, so long as it grows rapidly..." - https://evolutionnews.org/2018/01/adam-and-the-genome-and-human-genetic-diversity
I said Allah says He created us in tribes and nations so we can get to know one another and that inter-race marriages make good looking babies. And that intermarrying creates a bigger gene pool and strengthens the traits and genes your kids will inherit.
He was of the view,
And he is of the view that his european race is big and strong and is incompatible with the little poodle asian race to inter marry.
My last reply to him was that the white europeans came from the little brown asians he looks down upon so much. The white people are the newest kid on the block, not someone superior as they think but rather as a result of a mutation of one of those brown people, much like how their blue eyes are also a result of mutation and deviation from the normal masses of the time. There are different studies on this subject. One study shows the irish descendant from the syrians. Another study shows most euopeans most likely came from people of hindus Valley (indian subcontinent) since they show the most variation in skin complexion within their group and also most variation in their skin color change (tanning) from sun light exposure vs lack of sun light.
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/t...-and-the-middle-east-239166271-239671671.html
