100pp in the US, murdered. i wasn't discounting ANY others.
Okay, this seems incoherent. Who precisely are you talking about? 100 people in the US, murdered by whom? Which 100 people? I'm not being funny, I just genuinely do not know what you're talking about.
i'm just saying that evil is evil it doesn't matter how they pull it off. we should oppose evil AND uncover it where ever we can
How exactly does that follow from your statement: 'maybe on Qiyama, when Allah hands you your book, you can just give it back and say, "I'm sorry. You willed it. Ergo, it is Your fault, NOT mine!"' Your words, to which I was replying.
it wasn't a rant at all. just a simple observation. if someone else is blinded by the propaganda put out by the corporate controlled media, and CHOOSES to remain so, then they help in covering up much evil. i would say that makes them an accessory after the fact. that makes THAT person guilty as well.
I suppose in your opinion I am one such person. If that is the case, you are simply wrong. If that is not the case, please correct me.
really? by comparing it to Aghanistan, Iraq and Palestine you arrived at the conclusion that i am only speaking about Americans? please tell me how you came to that conclusion.
Well, I said 'Hey, it's ridiculous to politicise a hurricane'
Then, you said, 'No it's not! Look at this, and this, and this atrocity, all committed by Americans!' I assumed you were saying this was some sort of punishment. To be honest, I found your post to be an incoherent bombardment of non-sequiturs. Try to be clearer. One can't just throw random questions at people and expect them to narrow in on one's real meaning.
again, tell me the thought process you used to arrive at that conclusion.
See above.
Also the way I used 'you' was meant in a general way, as in 'if one believes so and so', as opposed to 'you, the person to whom I am replying'. I should have been clearer.
where did i mention punishment? i said they were murdered.
Who was murdered by whom? You need to be a lot more specific here. Are you saying the people killed in the hurricane were murdered?
is it foolish to speculate how someone was murdered? when someone is murdered, do we just say, "oh well, it is the plan of Allah" and then forget it?
So you're saying the people killed in the hurricane were murdered?
And the hurricane was caused by Allah?
Therefore... Allah... murdered these people?
Is that what you're saying?
You do know that 'murder' means 'killing unlawfully', right?
Unless you're saying the hurricane was man-made? HAARP, right?
Just tell it to me straight, I'm honestly interested in what you have to say. No need for riddles.
why are there trials? why are there investigations?
if the pipe under your sink is leaking, do you just say, "oh well. it is the will of Allah" and just let it leak? or do you investigate the problem and try to fix it?
if your car gets a flat, do you just say, "oh well, it is the will of Allah" and continue your journey on foot?
when you are sick, do you just say, "oh well, it is the will of Allah?" or, do you go to the doctor? when the doctor says, "i think you have [fill in the blank]? do you say, "are you crazy? i don't see what you see. you just have a crazy theory!" that would be unlikely, because that is why you went to the doctor in the first place. his job is to look at the evidence and try to make a conclusion.
This all looks like ranting to me. You're not making a cogent argument because you haven't even said what your position is. Seriously, I don't know what you're talking about, so these rhetorical questions do not enlighten, they simply obfuscate the truth of your belief.
i think that you are combining my posts with those of someone else. i haven't differentiated between believer and non believer, have i? i haven't even differentiated between American and non American, have i?
I do wish you would ask fewer rhetorical questions and make more statements. Because I'm sincerely trying to understand what you're saying and see where you're coming from.
i do not know how you choose to get your "news." that is up to you. i use different sources than the "corporate media", even though many of those are filled with disinformation as well. i believe that because i am a Muslim, i am OBLIGATED to find the truth of a matter. i have no choice, it is MY sins that i answer for on Qiyama. if i parrot the lies of satan's minions, that makes me one of his minions. i'm not crazy about that idea.
What does this have to do with the hurricane? Just be direct, I honestly want to know what you're saying. Are you saying that the media is full of liars and we shouldn't trust what they say? Because I agree with you.
i'll even admit that others that i turn to can be wrong! when the evidence is shown, OK then. but if i KNOW that the source is a liar to begin with, then why watch or listen to it?
as far as my emotions on Sandy? there are MANY! "sad for Americans", you said. i am sad for ALL OF MANKIND! if i listed all the reasons why, you would say, "AHA! you are a conspiracy theorist!" to you, that is a derogatory remark. to me, it isn't.
Okay, when you say 'you' do you mean me? Or just people in general? Because I wouldn't write you off.
a conspiracy is 2 or more people planning a crime; trying to evaluate that crimes involves theories based upon evidence. it is perfectly logical. yet, the corporate media, in order to hide their conspiracies, came up with a term to discredit those that don't accept their lies. it is very simple really. if you CHOOSE to believe their lies, you CHOOSE to be brainwashed by them. i choose otherwise.
the Prophet, pbuh, said that one day, the ummah would be like "pond scum!" isn't it time we start to clean ourselves off?
ma salaama
Bro, stop talking in riddles and be direct. I'm talking about people's responses to the hurricane, I'm saying that it's stupid to say 'this is a punishment' or 'this is not a punishment', and to me, it looks as if you just went on a rant about the media. Seriously, what are you trying to say? Weaponised weather? If so, say so. I'm not going to make fun of you. I just want to know what you're talking about.
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