i am a born again, evangelical christian

[Hyuio]

As most of your reply appears to be apologetic ramblings I will just pick up on a few things.

3. Matter can produce life.
Would (dead, ignorant, brainless) matter really able to create life, then followed it would be imperative that we (living, intelligent, knowing) people can understand this process . But we can not even understand a single living cell spawn, let alone a blade of grass. Life is not a manifestation of matter, which is why the creation of life through matter in opposition to the energy conservation law, because then something would arise, that is not matter, since we know that our thoughts are not consistent of material, but of spiritual nature.

Look up abiogenesis before spouting such utter claptrap. Also the Miller-Urey experiment supports the hypothesis of the creation of amino acids on an early earth. These are supported in peer reviewed paers, not by a pastor saying a book of myths says it can't happen. Please provide something actual real evidence instead of going to the standard theist default of "We can't explain therefore godunnit".

5. Life emerged in the so-called primordial soup on Earth
from the possibility of production of synthetic fibers (nylon), which are long chain molecules, each chemist knows that the production of these long molecules is possible only in absolute dryness . Small quantities of water, the chain formation immediately stops. Consequently, it is impossible that a long chain molecules such as DNA arised and developed in the midst of water, in the primordial soup, a scientific proof of the falsity of the allegation of the emergence of life on Earth.

Long chain molecules are found in nebulae, known as Giant Molecular Clouds. They are a part of a natural process in the universe from dying stars. This gives the hypothesis that the begins of life can begin out in space rather than having to form on a planetary surface.
As for the manufacture of Nylon you do know that a byproduct of making nylon is water?

6. The central nervous system of humans, the brain, is able to think.
Matter can convert only in one of its manifestations , but not something immaterial . Soul and spirit are no matter, there are no manifestations of matter, but spirit is the opposite of matter. Therefore, the assertion of man as spirit beings was a random product of self-organizing matter, is contrary to the energy conservation movement, the base of all natural science. Remains the possibility that we are apes with the ability to speak, without souls and spirit.
Thought transmission is experimentally demonstrated on several occasions. Thoughts are no manifestations of matter. Even this is scientifically proven. http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/90-209.htm

Now quote from a non-biblical source and the peer reviewed scientific papers that support your evidence. Apologist sites are renowned for BS and lying, quote mining, distorting facts.

 

[alcurad]

now now

 

[ragdollcat1982]

now now

Clearly the OP of this thread is a troll and trolls like to cause trouble. I think we have fed the troll enough , the more we respond and go off on each other the fatter the troll will be.

 

[Hyuio]

Tell me then. Why does God cry "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" on the cross?

Did he forget that he is God?

He doesn't say that in John. It is "It is finished"
In Luke it is "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit"
Only in Matthew and Mark does Jesus say that, but hey, the bible is full of contradictions, so what is one more to the christian. That is why they have apologetics.

 

[Tony]

Clearly the OP of this thread is a troll and trolls like to cause trouble. I think we have fed the troll enough , the more we respond and go off on each other the fatter the troll will be.

well said, I think these people are very skillfull at what they do and it requires a big spoon. I hope you dont really think I want you or anyone to burn in hell, I honestly dont. Peace and blessings for your post

 

[AntiKarateKid]

As most of your reply appears to be apologetic ramblings I will just pick up on a few things.

Look up abiogenesis before spouting such utter claptrap. Also the Miller-Urey experiment supports the hypothesis of the creation of amino acids on an early earth. These are supported in peer reviewed paers, not by a pastor saying a book of myths says it can't happen. Please provide something actual real evidence instead of going to the standard theist default of "We can't explain therefore godunnit".


Long chain molecules are found in nebulae, known as Giant Molecular Clouds. They are a part of a natural process in the universe from dying stars. This gives the hypothesis that the begins of life can begin out in space rather than having to form on a planetary surface.
As for the manufacture of Nylon you do know that a byproduct of making nylon is water?


Now quote from a non-biblical source and the peer reviewed scientific papers that support your evidence. Apologist sites are renowned for BS and lying, quote mining, distorting facts.

Since you like to qualify every statement with "peer reviewed" perhaps you havent looked up the opposing peer revied ones? The miller -urey experiment has been shown to be flawed.

I'm jsut a college student but from what I can tell,

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2005/09/02/opinion/20050902-archive.txt

That article makes pretty compelling observations. You're just the same as him, citing paragraphs from this article or the other. A google-scholar a scientist does not make.

 

[Adonai88]

Tell me then. Why does God cry "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" on the cross?

Did he forget that he is God?

search google : answer muslims trinity

 

[ragdollcat1982]

well said, I think these people are very skillfull at what they do and it requires a big spoon. I hope you dont really think I want you or anyone to burn in hell, I honestly dont. Peace and blessings for your post

I just disagree is all. I would have said the same thing to a Chrisitan who said that such and such will burn. As human beings are finite and in the end only God utlimatly knows the eternal fate of all people.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

search google : answer muslims trinity

Was that meant to be a joke response?

I'd prefer to do my own thinking and give Google a break after you worked it so hard!

Lookit.

God is God.
God cannot abandon himself.
Jesus says God abandoned him.
Jesus is not God.

 

[Zafran]

Clearly the OP of this thread is a troll and trolls like to cause trouble. I think we have fed the troll enough , the more we respond and go off on each other the fatter the troll will be.

I agree maybe this thread has served its purpose and should be closed.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I just disagree is all. I would have said the same thing to a Chrisitan who said that such and such will burn. As human beings are finite and in the end only God utlimatly knows the eternal fate of all people.

I understand you disagree.

I do not know if any one individual is definitely going to hell because I don't know whats going on inside their head. But we know what type of people will go to hell. Therefore I can say, a pagan who refuses Islam and continues his ways will go to hell.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

I looked up the OP search and I found this from arabicbible.com. This is a Christian site geared toward Arab peoples so apologies up front to anyone who may be offended.

http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/christian_doctrine.htm

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I looked up the OP search and I found this from arabicbible.com. This is a Christian site geared toward Arab peoples so apologies up front to anyone who may be offended.

http://www.arabicbible.com/islam/christian_doctrine.htm

You're just quoting links like Adonis. Talk for yourself. And we can do this one point at a time. I'd rather not paste a link which refutes yours, its just boring.

 

[Adonai88]

As most of your reply appears to be apologetic ramblings I will just pick up on a few things.

i see, just ignoring the tuff part....

Look up abiogenesis before spouting such utter claptrap. Also the Miller-Urey experiment supports the hypothesis of the creation of amino acids on an early earth. These are supported in peer reviewed paers, not by a pastor saying a book of myths says it can't happen.

thats complete nonsense. Abiogenesis is not possible, and nobody has proven contrary. Atheists are becoming desperate and are now offering $1 million for an explanation that "corresponds to empirical biochemical and thermodynamic reality, and be published in a well-respected, peer-reviewed science journal

Is the Chemical Origin of Life (Abiogenesis) a Realistic Scenario?
http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/chemlife.html

Please provide something actual real evidence instead of going to the standard theist default of "We can't explain therefore godunnit".

"We can't explain therefore godunnit"

that actually is a standard , boring, atheist argument.

Scientists and theists are not the only ones who use "gaps" arguments. In fact, many atheists use gaps arguments to argue against the existence of God.For example, atheists complain that a loving God would never allow evil in His creation. However, this argument is based on a gap in atheists' understanding of the main purpose of the universe

In another example, atheists cannot imagine how God can exist as a non-created being. However, the gap is filled by throwing out the assumption that time has always existed. We are so used to cause and effect that we can't imagine an existence without it.

Many skeptics believe that all arguments for the existence of God fall into the God of the gaps variety. According to this premise, one would expect these arguments to become fewer in number as scientists make more discoveries and learn more about our world. In reality, evidence continues to accumulate suggesting that the universe was designed by an intelligent agent. The evidence suggesting that the universe and its physical laws were designed continues to accumulate at a rapid rate.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/god_of_the_gaps.html


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Long chain molecules are found in nebulae, known as Giant Molecular Clouds. They are a part of a natural process in the universe from dying stars. This gives the hypothesis that the begins of life can begin out in space rather than having to form on a planetary surface.
As for the manufacture of Nylon you do know that a byproduct of making nylon is water?

google homochirality, and you'll see that scientists tried already to explain life on earth through meteors , fallen on earth, with high homochirality. needed is 100%, but even meteorits have max. 16%.....

Now quote from a non-biblical source and the peer reviewed scientific papers that support your evidence. Apologist sites are renowned for BS and lying, quote mining, distorting facts.

why should i, if you have not either ? show me where i am wrong with my presented facts !! and, answer to all presented points..... and not just the easy ones...

 

[ragdollcat1982]

You're just quoting links like Adonis. Talk for yourself. And we can do this one point at a time. I'd rather not paste a link which refutes yours, its just boring.

I only post links when it maybe relative to the topic, not constantly in nearly every post. If anyone wants to learn about a particular religion the best thing to do is go straight to the horses mouth when I wanted to learn about Islam I went to Islamic sites, if a Muslim wants to learn about Christianty go to a Christian site. My intent is not to convert in anyone. I thought since we have a lot of Arabic speakers on here this would be an interesting way for them to learn about my faith. This is after all the comparative religion thread.

 

[Adonai88]

Was that meant to be a joke response?

I'd prefer to do my own thinking and give Google a break after you worked it so hard!

Lookit.

God is God.
God cannot abandon himself.
Jesus says God abandoned him.
Jesus is not God.

if you just want to stick on simple answers, and are actually not interested in a indepth research and seek of a deeper understanding, why should i do the work for you ?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

if you just want to stick on simple answers, and are actually not interested in a indepth research and seek of a deeper understanding, why should i do the work for you ?

Who said they had to be simple. And you of all people shouldn't talk having someone do the work for you.

By the way, I'm impressed you responded in your own words! I expected another link as an answer.

 

[Adonai88]

Who said they had to be simple. And you of all people shouldn't talk having someone do the work for you.

By the way, I'm impressed you responded in your own words! I expected another link as an answer.

God is God.
God cannot abandon himself.
Jesus says God abandoned him.
Jesus is not God.

thats a simplistic answer.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

God is God.
God cannot abandon himself.
Jesus says God abandoned him.
Jesus is not God.

thats a simplistic answer.

It is a train of logic. Do you admit it to be right? Cmon, you can do it (kinda)! Use your brain and come up with a response! Do not touch ctrl + c and pretend your mouse has only the left button.

 

[Adonai88]

It is a train of logic. Do you admit it to be right? Cmon, you can do it (kinda)! Use your brain and come up with a response! Do not touch ctrl + c and pretend your mouse has only the left button.

i wont do the work, since that is not a answer, i will be able to give in a few minutes. but you can google, and find a extensive, indepth answer. if you are not interested to do it, my time is not worth to be spend on that answer either. sorry.