I am sick of my people

[SATalha]

We need to look back and see when their was peace. Prehaps when Ummar Ibn Khitab ruled the Holy Land? No bloodshed, peace, freedome to worship God.

 

[rav]

:salamext:

The main reason is most likely Jerusalem if all 3 controlled it, then it could ease some tensions.

It would, but last time that occured, Jordan destroyed the Jewish Quarter. :muddlehea

it is not upto the palestinian people to negotiate away parts of the muslim ummah, this is not their right and as such no such agreement over jeruselum or any other part of that land would need to be recognised by a future islamic state.

So remind me, why I should ever care for peace with Islam and Palestinians since your mentaility is we give up land, and you still want to destroy us.

Haven't you learned after G-d protected us destroyign your Arab armies with such might? Haven't you learned after the Jewish armies outnumbered and attacked on there holiest day while in prayer slaughtered your armies and then conquered more of your land after you attackes US!

 

[SATalha]

True your army did destroy us. At the moment Muslims across the globe have realised why this is happning to us. We have strayed from the Quaran and Sunnah. But dont worry we are returning in huge numbers and the change will come dont worry. We must help ourselves first and than God will help us. So for the next however many years our sitiuation will not get any better. So we will keep learning and teach bringing the Mumeens back to the deen and than it will happen. INSHALLAH

 

[glo]

A sad situation indeed. A change is needed. And that change does not involve guns. It involves books.

I pray for peace in Palestine.

So remind me, why I should ever care for peace with Islam and Palestinians since your mentaility is we give up land, and you still want to destroy us.

But dont worry we are returning in huge numbers and the change will come dont worry. We must help ourselves first and than God will help us. So for the next however many years our sitiuation will not get any better. So we will keep learning and teach bringing the Mumeens back to the deen and than it will happen.

How can a prayer for peace in Palestine turn into such a hostile thread???

 

[Pk_#2]

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh,

Ameen to the dua

 

[rav]

How can a prayer for peace in Palestine turn into such a hostile thread???

After someone said that he will never accept a three religion solution in Jerusalem, I asked him why I should ever accept peace with a mongol like mentality which he showed. Luckily I have faith most Muslims disagree with his psycotic vision.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you rav;

Haven't you learned after the Jewish armies outnumbered and attacked on there holiest day while in prayer slaughtered your armies and then conquered more of your land after you attackes US

I am not sure if this is in the Jewish scriptures but in the Old Testament it says this:

Ezekiel 47:
21 "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.

It suggests that all the Palestinians living in Israel before the 1940's should be allowed to have their rightful inheritance of land.

When Israel disobeys God, they have been severely punished after.

In the spirit of striving to live in peace with our neighbours

Eric

 

[lavikor201]

Greetings and peace be with you rav;


I am not sure if this is in the Jewish scriptures but in the Old Testament it says this:

Ezekiel 47:
21 "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.

It suggests that all the Palestinians living in Israel before the 1940's should be allowed to have their rightful inheritance of land.

When Israel disobeys God, they have been severely punished after.

In the spirit of striving to live in peace with our neighbours

Eric

Ezekiel is speaking of converts to Judaism. And BTW the modern nation of Israel is not built on halacha (Jewish law from the Torah).

In halacha land in Israel can't be sold in perpetuity (Lev. 25:23), therefore this is speaking of giving converts the right to live in the land of the tribe they joined. It doesn't make them a member of that tribe (unless it is a girl who marries into the tribe).

But you knew all this didn't you? Or maybe you didn't laying: if so then I suggest you continue your studies Eric. It seems Israel did not disobey, because G-d protected us in all of our wars. I continue to put my trust in G-d.

 

[Dawud_uk]

It would, but last time that occured, Jordan destroyed the Jewish Quarter. :muddlehea



So remind me, why I should ever care for peace with Islam and Palestinians since your mentaility is we give up land, and you still want to destroy us.

Haven't you learned after G-d protected us destroyign your Arab armies with such might? Haven't you learned after the Jewish armies outnumbered and attacked on there holiest day while in prayer slaughtered your armies and then conquered more of your land after you attackes US!

i dont care for arab armies, i dont care for any socialist armies, or secular nationalist armies. why would Allah give victory to muslims who are not following his commands?

you know from your own scripture that Allah will punish people on occassion and one of the ways he will do this is to grant victory to their enemies, who might even be disbelievers like most of the jews of today but still he will use them to punish a people for their arrogance in abandoning his way he has ordered upon us.

i think the best the jews can hope for is a long term truce as offered to them repeatedly by sheikh ahmed yaseen before his martyrdom. this is the best you can hope for.

either that or strike a deal with the secularists in the PLO that will never be accepted by practicing muslims as it wasnt stuck in accordance with shariah.

or carry on as you are, knowing what will happen when islam returns to those lands... then you really are in trouble.

i would think you would see option one, a long term truce is best. such would have to be respected by muslims that came afterwards as it wouldnt contradict Allah's law.

personally i would like to think that if such a thing happened then it would be possible for such a long term truce to be renegotiated every 50 years or for a long term solution to be sought by the jews agreeing to live under an islamic state that would still allow them their own courts and justice and they could compensate the palestinians for the land they stole this way if the palestinians agreed to such a matter.

Abu Abdullah

 

[SATalha]

Ameen bro, the best thing for everyone is grant some form of peace. Islam will return to these lands in time. RIGHT NOW i urge the people to return to the quran and sunnah as much as u can. And if the kafirs are opressing you than stay strong. Our sisters in Turkey are a good example, they are not allowed to wear hijab but they have improvised using bandanas. good thinking. YO BROS AND SIS make dwa.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I am sick of this:

• We are killing each other, like animals.
• Countries like Iran try to use us to destroy there enemies.
• We are shipped weapons by people around the world but not food, or clothes in many cases.
• Many of our "freedom fighters of Islam" drink Alcohol.
• None of our Muslim brothers cried for our homeland before 1967, while we were under Jordan and Egypt.
• Shia in Palestine are growing in numbers and form their own groups.
• We still have no state.
  
  I pray for peace in Palestine.
  
  And this is where my rant ends.

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  Great rant, by the way. Everyone kills and they do it everywhere, for a vaiety of different reasons. I can remember (as if it were yesterday), Romans were throwing men to hungry lions... for afternoon entertainment. Why? Beats me.
  
  You write:How is anyone suppose to take a peace deal we make with Israel seriously when we cannot stop killing ourselves?!?
  
  A sad situation indeed. A change is needed. And that change does not involve guns. It involves books.
  
  I may have a solution to that. It would involve the formation and assembly of religious councils who are tasked with the responsibility of resolving the disputes that have accumulated between them all, some of which are pretty silly to begin with, and others are, of course, far more serious. The problem I'm having is that certain accusations are so serious in nature that it's impossible to get the parties involved into the same city, much less the same building. I did suggest a round of Amnesties, but that was executed poorly.
  
  I haven't given up hope. If I have my way, in the end, they'll be only one book that contains all the records of the family tree known as the Sons of Abraham. Just playing on a divine hunch that, if you divide the word of God, the people will divide with it.
  
  In my little neck of the woods, thoughts are Spirits. Spirits inhabit flesh so if you kill the flesh, the thought will survive... and it will just find a new Messenger to carry it forward. Probably explains why the sword has such a lousy track record of resolving problems.
  
  Or as a certain Prophet once said: The Pen commands the Sword.
  
  The Ninth Scribe

 

[SATalha]

The formationof ant assembly will be....whats the word....ah thats it more representative of the non-muslims. I realy dont think that our thoughts and opinions will be taken in to consideration.

 

[MTAFFI]

The formationof ant assembly will be....whats the word....ah thats it more representative of the non-muslims. I realy dont think that our thoughts and opinions will be taken in to consideration.

why wouldnt they? Because you are Muslim? That is paranoia

 

[SATalha]

why wouldnt they? Because you are Muslim? That is paranoia

I really think that a congregation of the three faiths will work. But all intrest must be equal. I dont think we can have much influence. You know very well that Zionist will dominate because they are excellent in loobying Mp's in both the U.K and the USA. The biggest loobying group in the US is Zionist run( i forget the name).

 

[rav]

The biggest loobying group in the US is Zionist run( i forget the name).

Actually your wrong. The largest lobbying group is not the zionist lobbyers. Yet they are very good at what they do, but why fault them? The Arab groups also try to lobby the goverment, they are just unsucesfull at it, and are not as good at it.

Look at all the Arab lobby groups:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewGroups.asp?catid=178

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

I am sorry to say the situation will only worsen now, all the signs show it. We have come to a point in time where muslims are persecuted all around the world for many different reasons.
It will take another world war and our respective saviours to sort this mess out. Dajjal for the jews, Imam Mahdi for muslims and Jesus PBUH for both muslims and christians.
I need to pose this question to anyone jewish though, what conditions have to be in place for the jewish savior to arrive? Do jews really have to rebuild their temple in place of Mosque Al-Aqsa? - The golden dome isnt Mosque Al-Aqsa by the way.
Then again isnt Dajjal going to be born in Syria? - anyone can answer this question.

 

[IzakHalevas]

I need to pose this question to anyone jewish though, what conditions have to be in place for the jewish savior to arrive? Do jews really have to rebuild their temple in place of Mosque Al-Aqsa? - The golden dome isnt Mosque Al-Aqsa by the way.

When the Moshiach comes Muslims will know the truth so your mosque will be of no care in the world to you all.

The Moshiach can come at anytime. But to be Moshiach there are many requirements. One is to birng world peace. No one has done that yet, therefore, we still wait.

 

[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you lavikor201;

Thank you for your explanation, and I can see how you are interpreting Ezekiel by saying he is talking about converts and girls marrying into the tribes of Israel. I have to confess that my interpretation of aliens living in Israel could be referring to the Palestinian People today and their right to live there in peace.

You talk about girls marrying into the tribes of Israel, but in Ezekiel it says:

23 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD

It seems Israel did not disobey, because G-d protected us in all of our wars. I continue to put my trust in G-d.

In the Bible it talks of the very special relationship that God has with Israel, but there are many passages in the bible talking of Israel sinning against God. As a result Israel has been invaded and its people scattered.

There is a great need to pray for each other that people who are different to ourselves can find justice and peace.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric

 

[rav]

No, it says:

And it shall be in the tribe with which the stranger sojourns, there you shall give his inheritance, says the L-rd, HASHEM.

The stranger the verse speaks about it a convert to Judaism.

The word for convert in Hebrew is גיור (giur), the term for a convert to Judaism is referred to as a "ger tzedek" which means a "righteous stranger"

The verse in Hebrew you were refering to is:

וְהָיָה בַשֵּׁבֶט, אֲשֶׁר-גָּר הַגֵּר אִתּוֹ--שָׁם תִּתְּנוּ נַחֲלָתוֹ, נְאֻם
​

The word highlated in the verse is "Hager". The "Ha" means "the". Therefore it says "The stranger" or in terms of the Tanakh "The Convert". So G-d is telling us that a convert to Judaism who joins one of the tribes will get an inherretance from that tribe etc.​

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

The formationof ant assembly will be....whats the word....ah thats it more representative of the non-muslims. I realy dont think that our thoughts and opinions will be taken in to consideration.

Why? Muslims are the youngest generation of God's children, that's all. You know, if you take an ordinary family who have eight kids, one might become a doctor. Another may become a lawyer. Another may become a scholar. Why should the parents be forced to judge which is better? The kids are just... different. If you judge by wealth, maybe the lawyer would win. If you judge by devotion, maybe the scholar would win. If you judge by service, maybe the doctor would win. But why do this? Why judge any of them when they all have worth.

You know, I'm not an easy student. All my teachers claim I've been their best student because I've become their biggest challenge. You see, in order to teach me, you have to answer my questions, and let's just say, when I'm interested in a subject, I have a unique knack for asking some very penetrating questions and a guenuine need for the answers. It's not that there is anything wrong with asking questions, but my teachers have to really be on the ball because I'm just like that - I like to know exactly what it is I'm studying. Science and Engineering were easy. Religion... not so easy.

When I took up the subject of Ezra, that opened a major can o' worms for the religious scholars and they're working along side me, digging at the problems that came up from that because, for some unknown reason, they never thought to collect this man's records (all of them) and lay them out on the tabe to get a better look. I did that so I could get to know the person and what others thought of him. But this is just one man... why stop there?

You just don't understand how many different issues exist and how silly some of them are. Issues like "raised graves" or "tattoos" or "what constitutes idolatry" and were some of these idols grand-fathered as permissible? There are tons of issues here and not one of them has been put on the table and worked out. Why? Because the ones who have the disagreements aren't there to work out those disagreements. It's not entirely there fault. I ran into the same problem. When I wanted a ruling on a certain issue, I had no place to take the issue to. So I keep this folder and CD that reads:

1. Tattoos: The Jews call them haram. The Sunnis call them haram. The Shia call them legal. The Christians call them legal.

2. Cutting of the flesh to commemorate the dead: The Jews call this haram. The Sunnis call this haram. The Shia call this legal. The Christians have no verdict at all.

The list is growing and it almost seems to be endless in terms of: that which divides. I mean, I'm not blind to cultural and traditional differences, but this stuff is causing all kinds of problems... the acusations are getting worse and no one is doing anything to settle these disputes. What's worse is that the teachers are forcing their students to take sides (divide against each other).

I asked what I thought were very simple questions. What is a Jew? What is a Christian? What is a Muslim? So far, the answer depends entirely upon who you're speaking with at the time... and I will not have my soul used as a ping-pong ball to be bounced back and forth between the teachers.

I want that council... and I want it yesterday... because I have questions that need to be answered and it's the only way to get the teachers to get to work on what the answers will be!

Ninth Scribe