excuse me but if anyone dont mind, dont paint the whole country with this nonsense! yes true, alot of your young people are drawn to westernized culture especially the haram stuff, but no youth, even if they are growing muslims, can never have the FULL knowledge about life and consider every consequence that the westernized culture brings them, you may call that
naive. HOWEVER, if you take care in noticing it is the capital ( Istanbul ) where you will see the majority of this haram stuff happening, and i'l remind you that is also the only part of Turkey officially known to be 'European', and that affects everything in many ways, as westernized culture is more enforced there. as you may of realised yes i am turkish, I live in the UK not the most not-haram places in the world :/ and my parents and all my family that live here and in Turkey ALWAYS put forth our morals and values and enforce it, boy if my dad heard or saw i showed so much as abit of my leg in public he'd go mental. Islam is so encrusted in our culture it will be very very hard to see us becoming un-islamic. it runs through our blood, you have to meet proper turks living in the country to understand. but hey yeah there are deluded turks who think westernized culture is better dont we have that in any nation in any human, people giving in to shaytan? also yes, there is people that think by just praying they are doing their islamic duty, but that is their PERSONAL interpretation, do the 5 pillars do as much as possible in the name of islam, good deeds, pray, zakat, pilgrimage, thats if any can afford it, you cant say even as a majority are unabiding muslims who dont follow the book properly, because you read about some secular government we have that cant reinstate us as a islamic state, and because you read about the capital and its tourist areas that you hear about abroad because thats the only thing any foreign person would be interested in! tbh im outraged, no muslim country is perfect! not every muslim is perfect! they abide by what they can, and as a muslim and turkish person ive seen that! my aunt crys everytime ive seen her when we go to Turkey because she cant do the pilgrimage! its only hypocrit muslims, which ANY NATION may have, that cause these things to arise.
now for the dude above calling kemal a 'kuffar' i commented on a thread stating the exact same view on here before with some sources though, and no one not even the thread opener commented back, i think i made my point clear
how can you say that he was a kaffir when all he did was save the country FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COUNTRY being run by christians and catholics invading left right and centre?! i thank HIM!! that even if this man wasn't very religious, even though he destroyed the khaliphate who infact let this happen with all their dozen wives and hogging of their royal money that wasnt invested into the country and economy! he still prevented the country from being taken over by all these multiple countries, for alll i know i'd be still living in Turkey and we'd all be talking english or french or whatever, and it will be just like every other european country we have, nicely democratic maybe, christian leaders, hey we might even be followers of the pope! fancy that? a country like that bordering iran iraq and syria? that wouldnt be pleasant to see in the present day. ATATURK, yeah i'll use that name, he was a man who believed religion should never mix with politics, and it shouldnt look what hell its bringing to the country? most of Turkey believe we will never get into the EU because we will be the only muslim state to get into it, and the pope said he doesnt approve? i have no source but my family all bang on about it, all you ever hear in Turkey is politics politics islam more politics etc etc. i dont think its right to call someone a kaffir, ALLAH KNOWS BEST as everyone repeatedly says on this forum, and in fact you have to know for YOURSELF for sure he is with information and studying you cant just tick that box like that, and give loads of internet links! its just very rude. the only fault i see now is that the country isnt doing sharia law and isnt officailly labelled islamic? but on the other hand the country is being blackmailed by benefits of joining the EU :? the country is quite split on the view. politics is deep business, you could get stabbed by gangs in turkey for saying your view in public that is disapproved by others, it can go that far..
sorry for babble, im abit stressed from stating the obvious.
