First of all you didn't have any arguments against the specific points I mentioned. People of religion living longer with better physical health, there being less drug abuse amongst the youth and lower level of attempt of suicides plus the lack of so many negative effects of alcohol are all facts that cannot be ignored so blindly. Why don't you address these issues
These types of statements cannot be answered in retaliation of my concerns
This type of statement is the same as me saying, people of non-religion, and developed countries live a fuller life than religious groups bound by their traditions.
ie How much time have you wasted in your church or mosque or temple, and how much time put on learning and praying to your god?
I have put zero. And therefore I have spent more time actually living and enjoying life.
I feel sorry for the crowded Christian churches on Sundays, or the muslims bowing at some wall every day; as I spend happy times in the park/beach/absolutely any outing on this holiday, of which we must cherish in our working life.
Not waste in some cement building, learning thousands years old ridiculousness, of being a sheep.
Also, which wars do you mean by "this shown in wars"?
Hello, wake up. Religious wars are the most ongoing wars of them all
And not against us "normals" But against other religions. Lets hope they both blow themselves up. Why wait for the next generation to say, oh I'm not living that old religious way, its madness.
You don't seem to have understood any point I've presented yet you do your best to refute them with no valid arguements.
Let me make this extremely clear to you
I am not going to argue fairytale with science. If you bring these types of questions and statements up, I'll likely laugh it off, or provide a better example of non-religious way of life.
Every following Muslim does his/her best to follow these moral rules. So again, your claim of religious followers having little of real morals is thoroughly false.
You didn't address my point about God being the only source of objective morality. Would you mind telling me what are real morals to you anyway? What is your basis of distinguishing between moral and immoral?
Good point. Because it certainly isn't any religious definition of morals
My morals are live a good life and not hurt other in doing so
What else is there?
If you then wonder why I "hurt" religious followers (in my words) Its to help them wake up and smell the roses. Ideally there may still be hope left for some (obviously not you, as you're too far down the rabbit hole)
Lets hope that some child (say teenager) gets a read of this and stops for a second and says, good point, I'm not wasting anymore time praying to something that isn't yet proven. In actual fact there are countless religions and they all have their own ideas
My idea is that they're all wrong. Hey I did go to another forum (about a year ago or so) where I was inevitably banned (for speaking my mind, I might add) I gave some statistics of developed world non believers percentages. And I then went over that with the demise in percentage of religions. You'll just have to acknowledge the fact that religion is definitely going, and good riddance to that waste of life.
I hope you are not seeing yourself as some new kind of Nostradamus trying to predict the unpredictable. As far as real science is concerned no intelligent life has been found on other planets and real science also doesn't practise soothsaying.
Hello (again) that's what religious people say
I'm not going to state something without fact.
You honestly think that people, human beings, are the be all and end all. Wow that's limited minded.
In the nearly infinite universe (until the end of time) the likelihood of other intelligent life (even far greater than our own) is MORE likely than not.
There sure will be a lot of tales between legs when scientists inevitably find this out. This by scientific facts only. Oh but then the "religious" people will re-interpret their holy writings again. As per has been done across the ages. I hear that people not of white skin have souls now, and they don't burn witches any longer. But sadly women are still not equal in religion yet, and extraterrestrial lifeforms haven't been given souls either, wow they are definitely going to be angry with you guys.
Oh by the way, there is no such thing as a soul, obviously. I even checked inside my computer processor and no soul in their either. People with imaginary souls, what rot.
People consume more alcohol and that brings about so many problems .... the rates of rape, stealing and murder are way higher in non-religious societies than they are in dominantly religious ones.
Yes and can you get rid of the new age hard rock bands. I personally still like the hard rock of the 70s.
Oh and alcohol and drugs don't cause rape etc, its the people who can't control themselves. They probably should steer away from such drugs.
Generally most many people drink every Saturday night (and at other times) They are all ok. Some even drink at home with their partner, whilst at mealtime. These people are not raping etc. anyone. You may be a tad old fashioned in this area.
Your sentence "Imagine living under religious laws, now that was the dark ages." shows your ignorance about the history of Islamic world. In Muslim countries there was no such thing as Dark Ages, there was no inquisition in the Islamic world and its atrocities of killing and torturing of innocent people in the most cruel way.
Oh, good point (meaning bad point of course) Countries living with religion as part of their law ARE in the dark ages. I'd say get out.
The fact that you don't see God on Earth doesn't mean He does not exist. It's a very ridiculous claim as I may as ridiculously claim that I do not see your brain therefore you don't have one.
Huh the standard typical argumentative debate, that seems to be everywhere across the net.
Since this exact point has already been debated to the max. on countless sites (no doubt here as well, but I haven't checked) I'll just cut to the chase and state that things such as a brain in someone's head can be counted as scientific fact, even though we can't see it. But such things as "God's religion on Earth" are not fact, and are counted as more likely incorrect. Certainly not scientifically proven. I was about to go to search Google for this, but forget it, as you MUST already know, and this is just some type of idiocy testing or something. I really hope that we don't debate this small point, because I would win.
There are many proofs of God's existence starting from the very beginning of the Universe. If it was not some supreme power (whom we call God) who created it then what was it? Would you really seriously claim that it just came to existence by sheer chance?
It's never ending with you!
No one created the small planet Earth or the entire solar system, or the lifeforms (to be found) in other solar systems.
That's my point!
Everything evolved from the beginning of time as we know it.
Stay tuned as real (non-religious) scientists try to solve this mystery, aren't we down to 4seconds after the the big bang or something.
And by the way, there was life before people you know. This is proven already, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I hope religious people know this FACT. Maybe God is really a dinosaur, and we are the mutations of his view of a lifeform. At least that would make more sense, since people haven't been around forever.
Dr. Justin Barrett, a senior researcher at the University of Oxford's Centre for Anthropology and Mind, has found that children instinctively believe that almost everything has been designed with a specific purpose and also that if one would throw a handful of children on an island and they raised themselves they would probably believe in God.
Yes, I agree that most let fear control us (as per my original point)
But the real issue is, that we make these things up to protect ourselves from this fear of death
I've already stated that its scary to die. I'll do my best at the time and I wish with all my might that I scream out I hate all religions and everything they stand for. Before I die. Since that is what I truly feel, during my entire life whilst being alive!
I'm looking forward to your response and I'm hoping you'll come up with some real arguments instead of subjective and invalid claims. Also, please directly address the points I mentioned.
Take care!
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Do note yours are the invalid claims. You actually believe in some make believe fairytale. I keep reminding myself of that, whilst writing to you; so I don't get caught up in one of those immature debates, that I'm way beyond now.
I'm not debating the existence of God (we have to prove he exists first). I'm stating that all religions are bad, even in their vast differences across millions (possibly billions) of different interpretations of what they believe, in their religious ways.
And by the way, I'm happy and so are my family. We are living a fulfilled life together, away from the limitations of religions. I'm quite happy to blaspheme your lord, just to prove I won't be struck down this moment.
If the board allows it (and I do doubt it) I will openly say any words
against your god, in any way or fashion. Since he doesn't actually exist >.<
