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BananaPancakes

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How do I know if I've found my soulmate?
I know! It sounds riddiculous!
But there's this guy I've known since I was 11, we're both 19 now and 2nd year university students. We've gotten the chance to become pretty good friends within these last two years, by the most interesting series of serendipitious circumstances. It all started in the year 2002 when I moved out of the continent and started junior high in a country I had never even heard of. Anyways, that's where we met, and I didn't really aknowledge his existence. I was 11, and angsty and it all just seems so long ago and funny. Forward three years later, I moved back to North America, and started high school. Funnily enough, the year I moved, when I was 14, he actually told me he liked me! It was awkward and random, and my only way to react was to say: WHAT? He said nevermind, blushed and walked away. And I still remember that. He thinks that I actually didn't hear what he said (ha ha ha) so to this day, he thinks I don't know about his little 14 year old crush. But anyways, turns out that he moved to the EXACT SAME CITY as me a year later. How did I know? I was working as a cashier at Safeway when I was in grade 11 (WORST job ever) and he happened to come through my till with his mom. We didn't recognize each other at first, and it was late, and I just wanted my shift to be over, until he saw my nametag and the rest is history. Anyways, I didn't think much of this encounter, except for maybe...how random? But I didn't see him again for the remainder of my highschool years, and I think we might have talked on facebook once or something. To me, he was just a guy I knew. Now, flash forward to September, 2008: my freshman year at university. I was taking the bus to campus, when somebody called my name. I turned around, and I didn't recognize who the person was (because he had a beard, LOOOL) but upon closer inspection, it was the GUY (let's call him Gus, for forum purposes). Anyways, turns out Gus and I were both in the same faculty in the same university. So we started chilling and what-not, first year, I just saw him as a pretty chill guy. Anyways, just wanted to say that we're both Muslim, and we're both religious (all though he's a little bit more intense than I am) so in NO way am I thinking of doing anything...you know, haram. But we've become good friends, and I like being around him. I do. And I've never really liked someone before. I mean, I've thought people were cute for maybe like...2 days or so, then forgot about them. But I think about him a lot, and how sweet and dorky he is, and how we get along so well. But like I said, I'm religious, and I respect myself too much to say anything! I think the feeling is reciprocated because he does anything I ask him too (it's kind of funny :P), I've noticed him getting really nervous around me, and there have been multiple times that we've hung out during one of my long and boring 2-3 hour breaks, and he totally loses all sense of time and ends up skipping like ALL his lectures (that's kind of funny too), and he actually used to randomly do my homework last year without me knowing ('cause he knew that I either didn't know that I had homework, or didn't know how to do it and probably gave up hope on it), so he's the sole purpose I managed to pass Physics II. Anyways, he's really, really, REALLY religious, and that is what I think draws me to him. He's the only guy I know who will catch all of his daily prayers, even when at school (it's not often that you hear someone say, BRB, I gotta go pray Thuhr, when you're just chilling), and I'm religious too. But I just DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. One thing though, is that I'm trying to talk to him less and less for two main reasons:
1. Everytime I ignore him, he starts calling and texting randomley, and it's kind of cute (I know! That's so bad!)
2. Sometimes when we hang out, I get really flirty, mainly because his reaction is amusing (i.e. the nervousness and blushing, etc.)__ I know this is REALLY wrong on so many levels and very manipulative, but I've repented so many times and it's only really happened a couple of times.
Anyways, I'm trying to be less close, because I don't want anything bad to happen. But I really care about this guy. And I know he cares about me too, as I've seen the jealousy and over-protectiveness. And like I said, he's really religious so he doesn't really give other girls the time of day. But what in the world am I supposed to do? I know what I WANT to do, but that would just be a direct passage to hell (hahaha, I'm only kidding!).
Sorry if this **** post is sooooo long. There's a lot to say!
Thanks guys for taking the time to read this (if you did, even).
:D:D:D:D
 
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He isn't religious enough if he's calling/texting you, handing around with you and doing all the things that shaytan wants both of you to do. When Allah (s.w.t) asked you to lower your gaze in front of the opposite gender, it was because doing something as small as looking at something that you're not supposed to look at is forbidden so anything more then looking (such as everything you've described) is even more forbidden.

Ward off passing thoughts because, if you do not, they will become ideas.

Ward off ideas because, if you do not, they will become desires.

Fight them because, if you do not, they will become resolve and determination and if you do not ward them off they will become actions.

If you do not resist them with their opposite, they will become habits and it will be difficult for you to get rid of them.
[Al-Fawaa’id by Ibn al-Qayyim, p. 33]
 
Either get married or forget each other, cause next thing you know you might be repenting for a much worser sin.

You know what freemixing, flirting and all that leads to, you're living in america and its common enough there

Right now you're just a bit excited cause you like each other, but you're acting as a huge fitna for him so either leave him alone or get together islamically through marriage
 
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:sl: sis.
i agree with the above 2 replies.
even though you dont have feelings, there is a chance that since you are interacting with him, that they will develop. you shouldn't play with his emotions knowing that he likes you and all, because firstly it is wrong, and secondly you may be leading him on...
cant you see where this is going? first its a sequence of coincidence that you run into each other and all, then you get all friendly, etc...? then what. what of you do develop feelings for him?

its all a test sis so do NOT underestimate it :exhausted if you keep denying it, then its going to only get harder.
 
Best case scenario - He loves you, and you love him. You see yourself with him forever and ever. You talk it out. Get married soon. Live happily ever after.

Average case scenario - You're just lusting, you hang out too much, do too much, lose interest, argue, drift apart, and then spend the next few years in regret.

Worst case scenario - He was shopping with his mother huh? Remember who said "A boy's best friend is his mother"? Young Gus turns out to be a stalker, and you realise all the chance meetings weren't actually chance. He did your homework without telling you so you wouldn't learn. You end up failing your exams and repeating the year. Gus stands by his window laughing as he looks through his telephoto lens, clicking away, gathering yet more material for the BananaPancakes wall/shrine.
 
Best case scenario - He loves you, and you love him. You see yourself with him forever and ever. You talk it out. Get married soon. Live happily ever after.

Average case scenario - You're just lusting, you hang out too much, do too much, lose interest, argue, drift apart, and then spend the next few years in regret.

Worst case scenario - He was shopping with his mother huh? Remember who said "A boy's best friend is his mother"? Young Gus turns out to be a stalker, and you realise all the chance meetings weren't actually chance. He did your homework without telling you so you wouldn't learn. You end up failing your exams and repeating the year. Gus stands by his window laughing as he looks through his telephoto lens, clicking away, gathering yet more material for the BananaPancakes wall/shrine.

Even worst case scenario:

They hide this from there parents, continue to do this the wrong way and inadvertantly destroy each others families, thus causing them to depend on each other....only to discover after 2 children and 3 miserable years of a forgotton lust. that

1.) they where never in love
2.) they destroyed their families
3.) God is not going to be happy with their actions
4.) They should have listened to there friends on Islamicboard
5.) They should abide by their Islamic beliefs
6.) They should have invited Italianguy to the wedding;D(You have to have at least 1 Italian at your wedding)(sorry, had to do it)
7.) Stop this madness!
 
Awww, you guys!
Firstly, I want to let you all know that it's not fair to say that this guy isn't religious, because, believe it or not, 99% of the time when we hang out we're talking about religion. And he has VERY firm beliefs and has memorized a LOT of the Quran already at such a young age. I know it's not right, but I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER do anything wrong, even if we developed feelings for each other and stated them. I respect myself, my religion and my family too much for that. If I just started to ignore him, he would probably be really upset, and I would feel so bad for doing something like that to someone, which in and of itself is a sin. You can't just up and leave somebody! Anyways, he's a great guy, and he does my homework which is always a ++++ in my books ;). Just kidding! I get by with my poor grades as is. Thanks for the advice guys, and I'll take it to heart, don't worry. I'm not that type of girl anways, I've had multiple chances to do stuff already and I haven't which at least says something! Besides, my priorities are (and have always been) organized like this:
1. Religion
2. Family
3. School
4. Discovering a vaccine that will simultaneously cure lukemia AND AIDS, and thereby winning myself a Nobel Prize :P. Men aren't really on that list for me at all! I honestly hardly think about guys, and I've never "lusted" for him, or thought of him in a sexual way AT ALL. I just like him for being him, and he's a refreshing dose of approval when something is upsetting me. I don't like complaining, and I usually keep things to myself and end up feeling like I'M in the wrong, and he's always so understanding and doesn't try and give lame advice.
But for serious, we aren't hooligans, no worries. I just feel like when something like this happens, God has a plan, and it may be a test, but everything definitley happens for a reason. :D
 
the only problem with one vaccine for Leukemia and HIV is that its not possible. But of course its good to have lofty goals. Regarding Nobel Prizes, I hope that Muslims could get em. It takes dedication and life-time effort to reach there and even then it's still a hit or miss. My inorganic chem prof told me about my "nobel prize ambitions," that its good to target for that but be realistic, you might die without getting it. He gave examples of at least 8 inorganic chemists who he thinks deserve to get it but will never.
Anyways.

Stop seeing this dude.
 
I agree with the others that you should get married or leave each other alone.

Has marriage even crossed your mind? I would think it would be the next logical thought since you both have taken a liking to each other and are religious people.

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Alright, thanks guys, you've confirmed everything I already knew (but kinda just ignored!). I don't really see anything else coming out of this. If something happens, then great, but likely that is not the case. Because, to be honest, nobody in their right mind would EVER marry me (and that is a fact), so he'll probably end up happily married with someone less crazy than I am, and I'll be genuinley happy for him. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I see him as a person that I'm glad I've gotten the chance to know, but I don't feel that way about him at all_ and by that way, I mean, you know thaaaaaaaaaat waaaaay. I've taken the care to delete his number off my contact list, about a week ago, and I haven't texted him since! :D Yah, we saw each other this week, but it was totally random (I had no idea he was sitting in that floor, at the library at that time. I wouldn't have even been there if I didn't decide to skip my 12 O'clock lecture and attend the 10 O'clock one instead!), but that was pretty much it. Oh, I also saw him earlier today, but again, completely random and NOT planned. ha ha ha. Anyways, it's safe to say that I'm trying to get past this. I'm fine just being friends and what-not, but really, I don't want to EVER develop feelings for him. He deserves better than me :). Thanks guys, again! You're all really helpful and pretty darn smart <3
 
the only problem with one vaccine for Leukemia and HIV is that its not possible. But of course its good to have lofty goals. Regarding Nobel Prizes, I hope that Muslims could get em. It takes dedication and life-time effort to reach there and even then it's still a hit or miss. My inorganic chem prof told me about my "nobel prize ambitions," that its good to target for that but be realistic, you might die without getting it. He gave examples of at least 8 inorganic chemists who he thinks deserve to get it but will never.
Anyways.

Stop seeing this dude.

Ha ha ha, don't worry, I'm sure I will never win a Nobel prize! My AIDS/Cancer cure theory is pretty psychotic, and will obviously never work. I'll just be happy being a teacher the rest of my life! Inshallah that dream comes true :).
 
Ha ha ha, don't worry, I'm sure I will never win a Nobel prize! My AIDS/Cancer cure theory is pretty psychotic, and will obviously never work. I'll just be happy being a teacher the rest of my life! Inshallah that dream comes true :).

It was not meant to discourage. I just wanted to put things in perspective. I hope you achieve what you want.

Cheers.
 
2. Sometimes when we hang out, I get really flirty, mainly because his reaction is amusing (i.e. the nervousness and blushing, etc.)__

sorry I found this bit sickening, sister you two have to get married or else you're just preparing him for zina with your flirty behavior its dangerous!

ehe has VERY firm beliefs and has memorized a LOT of the Quran already at such a young age.

A guy can learn the quran how many times it will not save him from zina if he's watching a girl flirt and countless girls got themselves attached to ''the perfect dorky guys'' and got used and thrown like moldy banana pancakes on the side of the curb.



either get married or curb your feeling towards him do whichever one is easy time is running out!
 
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BananaPancakes, May I ask, do you think that your relationship (friendship) with him is halaal? Does it not include that which is forbidden in the following hadeeths:


The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to ‘Ali: “O ‘Ali, do not follow one look with another, for you are allowed the former but you are not allowed the latter.”

“be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner”

[al-Ahzaab 33:32]


It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”

It cannot be said that his intention is pure, because Allaah has created men with an inclination to be attracted towards women. Hence Allaah has forbidden men to look at women and has commanded them to lower their gaze. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts)”

[al-Noor 24:30]


The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The eye may commit zina, and its zina is looking.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, al-Nikaah, 1840; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan Abi Dawood, no. 1884).

“And whosoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty)”

[al-Talaaq 65:2-3]

“and whosoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him”

[al-Talaaq 65:4]
 
the only problem with one vaccine for Leukemia and HIV is that its not possible.

Way to ruin someones objectives ;)
Seriously though, who are you to say its not possible? Isn't that what everyone says a short time before it actually happens? They've been looking for cancer and AIDS vaccines for ages and a lot of the money given to those charities goes to just that. If only you'd replied sooner! you could have saved them some money :)
BananaPancakes FTV! (for the vaccine).
 
I think you DO like him sister...come on admit it:) Every girl would wonder whether it was ment to be and start fantasising about how it would be when you were married. And I read you like his company and you find him adorable. You know he likes you. No man would do such sweet things just for the fun of it. In generally men are not very carring to "strangers" (no offence brothers :D). When they are carring and you aint a relative of his you know somethings up (just a theory i thought of). Anyway sounds like a mix that causes LUVV to me. I agree with the Scientist. You should keep your distance and keep whatever contact strictly business. Like i dunno: "can i copy your notes?" or something like this. Whenever feelings are becoming a part of this you know in which direction your headed: highway 666:P

And why do you say no one wants to marry you? Bet you have loads of wife-qualities within you? Its in our genes! You shouldnt be so hard on yourself:)

Salaam alaikom

PS: ive noticed many on IB seek advice concerning this subject alhamdoellilah. Did i miss something?
 
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Way to ruin someones objectives ;)
Seriously though, who are you to say its not possible? Isn't that what everyone says a short time before it actually happens? They've been looking for cancer and AIDS vaccines for ages and a lot of the money given to those charities goes to just that. If only you'd replied sooner! you could have saved them some money :)
BananaPancakes FTV! (for the vaccine).

Before we get people thinking they should stop donating for research into HIV and cancer vaccines. It should be noted that the valid for vaccines for either one is plausible. But a single vaccine for both,as as discussed by WS BP, is not likely. One reason is some cancers appear to have a mechanical basis, such as a form of lung cancer caused by breathing asbestos dust or lung cancer caused by smoking.


So Inshallah, nobody here will think cancer and HIV research is without merit based on the valid arguments against a single vaccine for both.
 
Way to ruin someones objectives ;)
Seriously though, who are you to say its not possible? Isn't that what everyone says a short time before it actually happens? They've been looking for cancer and AIDS vaccines for ages and a lot of the money given to those charities goes to just that. If only you'd replied sooner! you could have saved them some money :)
BananaPancakes FTV! (for the vaccine).

Well, progress is made when breakthroughs in knowledge are made. From what we know of today regarding vaccines, its impossible to make a vaccine for HIV. Its as impossible as making gold from soil, even though one can say its possible if Silicon atoms fused into gold eh! In the same way, vaccine for HIV is impossible. What I mean by vaccine is monoclonal neutralizing antibodies. There CAN be other ways of stopping HIV (genetic therapies for example) and you can call them "vaccine" too but I mean vaccine in the strictest sense of the word: humoral response of making Abs.

But of course, she can dream of it, just like how I dream of flying at the speed of light. :D
 
Okay guys, just wanted to say a couple of things.
Firstly, I wasn't being serious about the HIV/Lukemia thing. It's an inside joke between me and my friends because when I was in high school I thought if someone figured out how to manipulate the HIV virus so that it ONLY targets non-specific, mutated white blood-cells, we could inject it into a patient suffering with lukemia and cure them of their cancer. But then we'd need to discover a vaccine for HIV so the poor person doesn't die of AIDS. I know it will never work, it was just a stab at humour (yeah, I'm lame, I get it). And I also wanted to mention something on everyone saying: Just get married! Yeah right! You guys say it like it's the easiest thing in the world. Two young people who are friends can't just get married out of the blue. We don't even have proper jobs! I work retail and am a poor and struggling college student, haha. But thanks for the concern :). And one more thing I want to add, is how upset it made me when I read all those comments saying: Yah, he's not religious if he talks to a girl, LOL. You guys don't know him, and yeah he's doing something not considered halal, but how many of you guys lie sometimes? Or talk badly about people? Or feel arrogant and confident (which, judging by your comments, there's quite a few of you). All of these are probably WORSE sins than talking to a person of the opposite sex. I know it's not right, but people need to stop acting like it's the worst thing in the world. I know that in some countries, and I've witnessed this with my own eyes, because girls and guys are not allowed to interact PERIOD, a lot of guys resort to experimenting through homosexuality. And you guys can't say that's not true, because sadly it is. Like I said, I've seen it happen. I thought women and men interacted with each other during the prophet's time? Or I could be wrong...I know the flirting is completely wrong, but I'm young and stupid, and I do it for the reaction 'cause it's amusing! I've repented for it, I don't need people to tell me that it's wrong_ I gathered that on my own. And I also wanted to add that another reason why I like being around Gus (he he) is because he is probably the one person in my life who treats me like I'm important. Everyone else treats me like they don't care and have a tendency to take me for granted, simply because I'm that type of person. A lot of people know they can rely on me because I care about them a lot, and I want to make sure they're okay, so they use me. I don't blame them, it's easy to do. And I know that all the people in my life care way less about me then I do about them. Except for Gus :). Anyways, sorry for the life story, and thanks for the advice, but just wanted to clear some things up! And I want to stop being so close to him, I do, but we have a tendency of running into each other, then we make each other laugh and suddenly my day isn't as sucky as it was before then. :hmm:
 
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And one more thing I want to add, is how upset it made me when I read all those comments saying: Yah, he's not religious if he talks to a girl, LOL. You guys don't know him, and yeah he's doing something not considered halal, but how many of you guys lie sometimes? Or talk badly about people? Or feel arrogant and confident (which, judging by your comments, there's quite a few of you). All of these are probably WORSE sins than talking to a person of the opposite sex. I know it's not right, but people need to stop acting like it's the worst thing in the world.
Sister, the bits in red are examples of you doing what you're telling others not to do. You don't know the people here, so why do you assume they indulge in these things? :)

Anyway, I wouldn't assume that they're being arrogant when they say 'he's not religious if he does this'. It's to point out, in order to be truly considered religious, one would avoid all sins. The point is, there are many other people out there who do avoid talkin to girls. So you shouldn't just assume a guy is good if he reads x amount of salah and memorises a hundred surahs. It's the outward actions accompanying the knowledge that matter.

And I also wanted to add that another reason why I like being around Gus (he he) is because he is probably the one person in my life who treats me like I'm important. Everyone else treats me like they don't care and have a tendency to take me for granted, simply because I'm that type of person. A lot of people know they can rely on me because I care about them a lot, and I want to make sure they're okay, so they use me. I don't blame them, it's easy to do. And I know that all the people in my life care way less about me then I do about them. Except for Gus :).
With no disrespect intended, what you say here is nonsense and exactly the kind of reason young girls get taken advantage of by guys. The whole 'nobody understands me! :'( nobody cares about me! :'( Only HE does YAY, I'm so glad he's in my life! :statisfie' What about his vested interests in keeping you happy and saying and doing things that will keep you happy? Have you stopped to give that a thought?

Remember this: Paedophiles can make little girls feel the way you feel about him. It can and does happen. Obviously, the paedo has vested interests in making the girls feel like that. Think about it.

Bottom line: It is haram to mingle with the opposite sex. Don't flirt. Don't be lax. Keep it formal. Don't become 'friends' with guys. Preserve your modesty.
 

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