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I need proof from The Noble Quran that music is haraam.
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For those of you who are trying to defend the permissibility of Music, I suggest you re-read the Hadith. It is clearly stated that we are to stay away from "doubtful" matters. Although I hardly consider this doubtful, for you people this may seem reasonable.
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 49:
Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart.
After thorough research, If you are still in doubt about it, then stay away from it. Some people here want to make it Halal, because they can't seem to let go of their habits.
Argue all you want, you will have Allah to answer to when the day comes.
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 49:
Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart.
After thorough research, If you are still in doubt about it, then stay away from it. Some people here want to make it Halal, because they can't seem to let go of their habits.
Argue all you want, you will have Allah to answer to when the day comes.
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Salaam/peace
[MAD]Argue all you want, you will have Allah to answer to when the day comes.[/MAD]
---no offence , pl but i think this approach is not good ,specially when u deal with other Muslims. We ALL have to be accountable on the Last Day ......not only those who think Music is not totally forbidden.
We must discuss/approach postively , not with threat/negatively.
If u read Quran , u will see how Allah ordered Prophets (pbut) to talk to genntly even with arrogant non-Muslims. So , surely Muslims deserve more respect ......at least the same.
[MAD]Argue all you want, you will have Allah to answer to when the day comes.[/MAD]
---no offence , pl but i think this approach is not good ,specially when u deal with other Muslims. We ALL have to be accountable on the Last Day ......not only those who think Music is not totally forbidden.
We must discuss/approach postively , not with threat/negatively.
If u read Quran , u will see how Allah ordered Prophets (pbut) to talk to genntly even with arrogant non-Muslims. So , surely Muslims deserve more respect ......at least the same.
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Hey, I wasn't threatening anybody here. I was trying to say that we must remain in constant remembrance of Allah SWT.
If you listen to Nasheeds, thats fine by me, most scholars say it is permissable and I wont say otherwise. My message wasn't directed towards you nor was it negative. Tell me, what is that you think about when listening to music on a normal day? (Of course it depends on the genre of music) Most people remember their fondest memories and think on them, and if you must know, these memories have nothing to do with Allah SWT.
The point I 'was' trying to make is that, people nowadays are so attached to music, that they memorize entire songs only by listening to it 3-4 times. Whats more is that they let their emotions astray and forget about all aspects of life. Imagine how many more Huffaz we would have if we only dedicated that much amount listening to the Quran.
I've been there, I've listened to Rap music, I've listened to Reggae, I've listened to Soft rock, Classical, Heavy metal, Techno, you name it I've listened to it. It had a severe impact on the way I acted. For instance, Rap music was usually entertained when groups of "Thugs" and "Wannabes" got together. Similarly, Classical was only heard when I was heart-broken or feeling lonely, Heavy metal, when I was feeling miserable. I've been there and I've went through a lot, despite being young.
Ofcourse I can say that it's not the same for every single person, but when you collectively look at the aspect ratio of the pros and cons of music in a group, it is clearly visible that the cons outweigh the pros.
In a sense, you are a mirror of what you listen to. (You may ask how is that bad?) Well if you are listening to 50 cent then it is most likely that you respect him and want to be in someway like him. If you are listening to Linkin Park, then it is probable that you want to dress in their fashion. You idolize these musicians and that very thing is un-acceptable.
As for my last sentence, if you are not afraid of the prospect of which hand the book will be handed to you on the Day of Judgement, then I don't know what scares you.
Doubt doesn't establish Imaan, firmness does.
For the arguments present by the music-lovers, I'd say there was plenty of doubt present in their hearts.
If you listen to Nasheeds, thats fine by me, most scholars say it is permissable and I wont say otherwise. My message wasn't directed towards you nor was it negative. Tell me, what is that you think about when listening to music on a normal day? (Of course it depends on the genre of music) Most people remember their fondest memories and think on them, and if you must know, these memories have nothing to do with Allah SWT.
The point I 'was' trying to make is that, people nowadays are so attached to music, that they memorize entire songs only by listening to it 3-4 times. Whats more is that they let their emotions astray and forget about all aspects of life. Imagine how many more Huffaz we would have if we only dedicated that much amount listening to the Quran.
I've been there, I've listened to Rap music, I've listened to Reggae, I've listened to Soft rock, Classical, Heavy metal, Techno, you name it I've listened to it. It had a severe impact on the way I acted. For instance, Rap music was usually entertained when groups of "Thugs" and "Wannabes" got together. Similarly, Classical was only heard when I was heart-broken or feeling lonely, Heavy metal, when I was feeling miserable. I've been there and I've went through a lot, despite being young.
Ofcourse I can say that it's not the same for every single person, but when you collectively look at the aspect ratio of the pros and cons of music in a group, it is clearly visible that the cons outweigh the pros.
In a sense, you are a mirror of what you listen to. (You may ask how is that bad?) Well if you are listening to 50 cent then it is most likely that you respect him and want to be in someway like him. If you are listening to Linkin Park, then it is probable that you want to dress in their fashion. You idolize these musicians and that very thing is un-acceptable.
As for my last sentence, if you are not afraid of the prospect of which hand the book will be handed to you on the Day of Judgement, then I don't know what scares you.
Doubt doesn't establish Imaan, firmness does.
For the arguments present by the music-lovers, I'd say there was plenty of doubt present in their hearts.
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Salaam/peace;
[PIE]if you are not afraid of the prospect of which hand the book will be handed to you on the Day of Judgement, then I don't know what scares you.[/PIE]
---of course , i don't want to go to any hot place :statisfie
I just don't believe that because of listening to Islamic songs of Yusuf Islam , Sami Yusuf , Dawud Ali.....i will be thrown in to fire.....it sounds totally absurd. When i hear the songs of veil , Life returns , what did i do today , Jannah , my mother or Tala Al Badru or life of the last Prophet (P) , these songs /biography of the Prophet remind me of Allah , His Prophet .
I feel grateful that Allah brought Yusuf & Dawud to Islam & they are trying to spread the message of Islam by using their beautiful God gifted voices.
I really don't understand how Allah can punish them for their attempt to do that...........when Yusuf teaches kids A is for Allah , B for Bismillah , when Dawaud tries to remove the misconception on veil & encourgaes Muslimahs to practise it ...... how that can be a sin ?
If Quran totally forbids Music/songs , then why Prophet allowed people of Madina to sang song or asked someone why any singer did not go with a girl to her in-laws home ? Is there any verse in Quran that says , except Daff , other instruments are totally haraam ?
Personally i think TV is very dangerous for kids & adults , too. I don't think ,there is any thread on bad effects of TV but just see how many threads we have on songs/music .
In few days , we won't be able to walk on street ( because these are not like the streets of holy Macca & Madina), travel by plane or use computer ...someone surely issue fatwas that these are all
Haraam :scared:
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I note from the sticky on this board that Music is Haram and two authentic hadiths are given to support this.
It is reported by Al-Haakim in his Mustadrak(*84) that the Prophet (upon whom be peace and blessings) took the hand of the companion, AbdurRahmaan bin 'Owf, and they proceeded to visit the Prophet's ailing son, Ibraheem. They found the infant in the throes of death, so the Prophet took him to his breast and held him until his spirit left him. Then he put the child down and wept, whereupon Abdur-Rahmaan asked in astonishment, "You are weeping, Oh Messenger of Allah, while you prohibit crying!?" The following is the Prophet's reply:
"Verily, I did not prohibit weeping [per se] but rather, I forbade two voices [sowtayn] which are imbecilic [ahmaq] and sinfully shameless [faajir]: one, a voice [singing] to the accompaniment of musical amusement [lahw] and Satan's [wind] instruments; the other, a voice [wailing] due to some calamity, accompanied by striking of the face and tearing of garments. But this [weeping of mine] stems from compassion, and whosoever does not show compassion will not receive it."
THE NARRATION OF ABU BAKR ASH-SHAAFI'EE:
Anas bin Maalik related from the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) that "two cursed sounds are that of the [wind] instrument [mizmaar](*87) played on the occasion of joy and grace, and woeful wailing upon the occurrence of adversity."(*88)
I do not doubt that the prophet said it, I just wondered why specifically wind instruments? Is there any scholarly work been done to suggest Why?
It is reported by Al-Haakim in his Mustadrak(*84) that the Prophet (upon whom be peace and blessings) took the hand of the companion, AbdurRahmaan bin 'Owf, and they proceeded to visit the Prophet's ailing son, Ibraheem. They found the infant in the throes of death, so the Prophet took him to his breast and held him until his spirit left him. Then he put the child down and wept, whereupon Abdur-Rahmaan asked in astonishment, "You are weeping, Oh Messenger of Allah, while you prohibit crying!?" The following is the Prophet's reply:
"Verily, I did not prohibit weeping [per se] but rather, I forbade two voices [sowtayn] which are imbecilic [ahmaq] and sinfully shameless [faajir]: one, a voice [singing] to the accompaniment of musical amusement [lahw] and Satan's [wind] instruments; the other, a voice [wailing] due to some calamity, accompanied by striking of the face and tearing of garments. But this [weeping of mine] stems from compassion, and whosoever does not show compassion will not receive it."
THE NARRATION OF ABU BAKR ASH-SHAAFI'EE:
Anas bin Maalik related from the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) that "two cursed sounds are that of the [wind] instrument [mizmaar](*87) played on the occasion of joy and grace, and woeful wailing upon the occurrence of adversity."(*88)
I do not doubt that the prophet said it, I just wondered why specifically wind instruments? Is there any scholarly work been done to suggest Why?
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excellent question - one i've wondered about for ages!
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Salaam/peace ,
I have heard that Yusuf al-Qaradawi is most learned Islamic scholar of this time. Here is a link of his book. I will Insha Allah try to read it.
I recommended u to read this book....i m sure , it will give us a good chance to more about Islam.
The Lawful and Prohibited in Islam
by Yusuf al-Qaradawi
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/Q_LP
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But the Ahadith and the verses do not change over time sister. So if a person decides to permit singing using a scholar that held singing permissible (Ibn Hazm) and just using one portion of his words and not the rest then he is only misleading the people even though that may not be his intention. A scholar's or a Mujtahid's opinion cannot take the weight of the evidence itself, no matter of what calibre he is.
Ibn Hazm said, as I posted before:
"It is forbidden for the Muslim to enjoy the song-like voice of a woman who is foreign to him."
Keep in mind this is coming from a scholar who himself allowed listening to singing. But never did he - nor any of the Muslim scholars of or before his time - permit the enjoyment of the voice of a foreign woman, such as in the case of al-Qaradawi.
Really, this thread has gone on long enough. Anyone who's up for some reading, can read through the book 'Music and Singing in the Light of the Qur'an and Sunnah' by Abu Musa Al Kanadi, wherein are the proofs from the Qur'an, Ahadith, the Companions and the Salaf, and the four Imams and the ones after them. I think that should be more than sufficient for anyone who is sincerly seeking the truth of the matter:
http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-jurisprudence/20238-music-singing-light-quran-sunnah.html
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