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[ApostateAtheist]

And to scale it down, does that mean i can wack you on the head and get away with it?

Heh,

No, if you whack me on the head you should be punished, but the punishment must match the crime, if you hit me on the head, you should be properly fined and if a repeated offense you should be jailed, but not for the rest of your life


If you like to go out and rape children, tourture them with acid and then bury them alive. . . And you do this numerous times throughout your life and you die. . Lets say you lived for eighty five years, and now contemplate an eternity, eternally cooking for crimes that are VERY BAD AND HORRIBLE. . . .
But do they warrant an ETERNAL punishment with NO END EVER? ? ?

No, not at all, unless you equate the breaking of a gods law with an eternal sin, but then you would have to justifiy that through reason,


Whats even worse is, An atheist living his whole life rejecting and refuting allahs existance, . . . and then he dies and allah sends him to hell. . .


Two problems with that....

First Allah would have to properly let him know that rejecting his existance would result in this crime, and it wouldent be fair if the only evidence he had was a book that i have no reason to think its not just another comic book of myths....So a sentence to eternal fire would be unjust and unfair because the nature of the crime doesent warrant it. . .


Second is, EVEN IF HE DID PROVIDE THE ATHEIST WITH COMPLETE PROOF THAT HE WAS GOD!!!!!.....It would not be right to send him to hell forever just for thinking otherwise, because that would show the supreme insecurity on the part of allah and would ultimatly prove him incompetent. . .


So as a conclusion . .. Yes you should be punished for hitting me, but death is not the proper punishment

So from your view, A life of sin = ETERNAL :skeleton:

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Hi,

If you like to go out and rape children, tourture them with acid and then bury them alive. . . And you do this numerous times throughout your life and you die. . Lets say you lived for eighty five years, and now contemplate an eternity, eternally cooking for crimes that are VERY BAD AND HORRIBLE. . . .
But do they warrant an ETERNAL punishment with NO END EVER? ? ?

Well, this demonstrates your lack of knowledge about Islam. The people of tawheed do not remain in Hellfire eternally. Their sins are either forgiven, or they are cleansed of their sins in the fire for a limited time.

Allah says in the Qur'an;

“Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything less, to whom He pleases; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

[An-Nisa 4:48]

The sin of kufr and major nifaaq are both equal to shirk as they remove a person from the realm of Islam.

Whats even worse is, An atheist living his whole life rejecting and refuting allahs existance, . . . and then he dies and allah sends him to hell. . .


Two problems with that....

First Allah would have to properly let him know that rejecting his existance would result in this crime, and it wouldent be fair if the only evidence he had was a book that i have no reason to think its not just another comic book of myths....So a sentence to eternal fire would be unjust and unfair because the nature of the crime doesent warrant it. . .


Second is, EVEN IF HE DID PROVIDE THE ATHEIST WITH COMPLETE PROOF THAT HE WAS GOD!!!!!.....It would not be right to send him to hell forever just for thinking otherwise, because that would show the supreme insecurity on the part of allah and would ultimatly prove him incompetent. . .

According to your inferior and limited logic, this is worse. But a sin against God is worse than a sin against Mankind. But how is anyone supposed to make you understand the rulings of a God in whom you do not believe?

 

[جوري]

I pray that you will find allah before the day of judgement, think about your future life, you could spend eternity in hell. . .
(why would i want to "find" a god who threatens me with eternal tourture if i dont be his best friend. . . umm no fail...

I am actually rather happy you have made your choice..
the fact that you come here to purge yourself is a slight clue that you are not particularly happy with your choice as much as you'd like us to believe, thus you would rather take some people along for the ride not to feel so marginalized ( this is the wrong place to seek approval) in fact there is a RichardDawkings forum out there where you'd probably feel right at home... rather than challenge us with very immature queries and responses based on a priori judgment!
I have already used the analogy that most of us know what a headache is, because we have experienced it at some point or another in our life, yet no scientific measure can be used to identify what a headache is. We use man made basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated to distinguish between a cluster headache, from a migraine from a tension headache etc ( the patient replies of the intensity by using a subjective scale of (1 to 10) to describe the level of pain one being least severe, 10 being most severe.. there is NO headache-O-Meter.. yet no one can deny that a headache exists and that people experience it.
2- You assume that your brilliant mind has done the thinking for the whole and thus none of us need to tread further on the grounds, that you've gone where no wo/man has gone before and done all the reasoning for the rest of us.. You've concluded there is no G-D, and by default we should all accept your shallow reasoning of why he doesn't exist...
It doesn't work out that way, and rather than waste a large chunk of my day proving or disproving your theories, I say.. sincerely (don't waste your short life on a forum) -- just eat life up... there is much to do when the world is your oyster...

peace!

 

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No, not at all, unless you equate the breaking of a gods law with an eternal sin, but then you would have to justifiy that through reason

I repeat: We are a living proof of the existence of God

Did you get it this time?

First Allah would have to properly let him know that rejecting his existance would result in this crime, and it wouldent be fair if the only evidence he had was a book that i have no reason to think its not just another comic book of myths....So a sentence to eternal fire would be unjust and unfair because the nature of the crime doesent warrant it. . .

Can i ask you a question? Have you ever even read the Quran...? Didn't think so.. And i don't believe you're really an appostate :rollseyes

Ever heard of the miracles of the Quran? Well there's a first time for everything: http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01.php

Second is, EVEN IF HE DID PROVIDE THE ATHEIST WITH COMPLETE PROOF THAT HE WAS GOD!!!!!.....It would not be right to send him to hell forever just for thinking otherwise, because that would show the supreme insecurity on the part of allah and would ultimatly prove him incompetent. . .

Really? If Allah created you then surely He should have a right to do what He likes with you...? So are you now more superior than your creator to decide what's right and what's wrong?

If you're mind is shut off then i don't think there is any point in having this debate... It's like trying to pour water into an upside-down glass.. :rollseyes

 

[eyeofthestorm]

lol reminds me of that story, you know (slap) you felt the pain you did not see it metaphor for Allah is der you cant see Him.

 

[tomtomsmom]

Heh,



If you like to go out and rape children, tourture them with acid and then bury them alive. . . And you do this numerous times throughout your life and you die. . Lets say you lived for eighty five years, and now contemplate an eternity, eternally cooking for crimes that are VERY BAD AND HORRIBLE. . . .
But do they warrant an ETERNAL punishment with NO END EVER? ? ?

How about someone do that to your child and see if you think it is warranted???
As a mother I can say HECK YEAH!!!!!!! And if we are all supposed to be creations of God just as we create our children then doesn't that warrant punishment from him??