I think we are becoming deranged

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OMG!! Excellent Post!!! BRAVO!!! Best. Post. Yet!

Loaded post!

I just wish people wouldn't come down so hard on me for being pro-Israeli, and realize that guerilla groups who use Islam for agenda aren't always right. :heated:

When you say you are pro israeli does that mean you agree with them bombing power supply, cutting off water, and taking away aid. Then bombing the country?
Fighting Israel is a must all the top scholars have agreed to it. majority of the people use the fact many civilians die in israel when hezbullaah or some other group attack. Thats a lie there are no civilians in israel all of them are either soldiers or just on reserve. Dahir i read your post on another thread. You are not pro israeli you just hate arabs.... The hate has made you pro israel because israel kills arabs.
 
Do we need to compare how the Muslims in Saudi Arabia treat Jews vs. how the Jews in Israel treat Muslims?

I see you people take your freedoms and benefits living in Western nations for granted.

Saudi arabia does not treat jews bad prove it to me from atleast one article i lived in saudi arabia. My dad lived in saudi arabia 22 years he said non muslims and muslims alike were treated the same on there background. if you are non arab you get treated bad its not about religion over there.
Israeli muslims dont have air warning systems for bombs coming or bomb shelters. Also Jewish settlers often throw rocks, rip the hijab off from muslim women and curse them... Often police will be just standing watching them do it...
 
Islamicboy said:
Saudi arabia does not treat jews bad prove it to me from atleast one article i lived in saudi arabia. My dad lived in saudi arabia 22 years he said non muslims and muslims alike were treated the same on there background. if you are non arab you get treated bad its not about religion over there.

The government is intolerant of religious diversity. Restrictions on religious freedom apply to Saudis and foreigners alike, and any demonstration of religious affiliation or sentiment is forbidden except for Muslims who follow the austere Wahhabi interpretation of the Hanbali school of Sunni Islam, a doctrine promulgated in the mid-18th century. The kingdom's Shi'a Muslim minority suffers particularly acute discrimination in matters relating to their religion and culture. This in turn has perpetuated discrimination in other areas such as public-sector employment, education, and lack of access to positions in the judiciary, the security forces, and the military officers corps. Wahhabi clerics have historically viewed certain Shi'a religious rituals as polytheistic and thus heretical, and Shi'a public religious practice is tightly restricted, particularly the mourning celebration of Ashura. The state restricts the private construction of Shi'a mosques and traditional religious community centers (husayniyyat). Shi'a religious seminaries are not permitted, and Shi'a religious scholars have been arrested, tried secretly, and sentenced to long prison terms.
In April 2000, Ismaili Shi'a clashed with Saudi security forces in the southwestern province of Najran. According to some reports, the violence was precipitated by the arrest of an Ismaili cleric from Yemen whom authorities alleged was practicing "sorcery," while other accounts said protesters took to the streets after religious police raided an Ismaili mosque, confiscated its books, and closed the facility. Scores of Ismailis were reportedly arrested in the aftermath of the disturbances and some continue to be detained. In a statement publicized in the international media on December 9, 2001, Ismaili elders from Najran called on the Saudi government to release ninety-three imprisoned Ismailis, including seventeen who they said faced the death penalty ``for opposing the condition of degradation, repression and humiliation that is practiced against them and their tribesmen by Saudi authorities because of their faith.''
Public worship by non-Muslims is banned in the kingdom and places of worship other than mosques are not permitted. The government maintains that non-Muslims are free to worship privately but authorities have arrested participants in private religious services deemed too large. Foreigners suspected of proselytizing Muslims have also been arrested, sentenced to prison terms, and deported.
http://hrw.org/backgrounder/mena/saudi/

Islamicboy said:
Israeli muslims dont have air warning systems for bombs coming or bomb shelters. Also Jewish settlers often throw rocks, rip the hijab off from muslim women and curse them... Often police will be just standing watching them do it...
Please provide proof.
Here is something that proves otherwise.

Islamicboy said:
Read my post clearly first i was talking about the fact why he support israel not why he supports arabs...
Arabs kill Israelis (innocent) and then use the Quran to back it up. That is sick.
 
When you say you are pro israeli does that mean you agree with them bombing power supply, cutting off water, and taking away aid. Then bombing the country?
Fighting Israel is a must all the top scholars have agreed to it. majority of the people use the fact many civilians die in israel when hezbullaah or some other group attack. Thats a lie there are no civilians in israel all of them are either soldiers or just on reserve. Dahir i read your post on another thread. You are not pro israeli you just hate arabs.... The hate has made you pro israel because israel kills arabs.

You are trying to use religion to change my political views.

Look, I am pro-Israeli because I've known a few Lebanese and Palestinians in my life, and ALL were pro-Israeli and fealt oppressed by Hamas.

There is even a poster on this forum, Abdmez, who lives in Israel, who is a Palestinian, who loves Israel and appreciates how the state takes care of him and his children's education. He is pro-Israeli.

If REAL Palestinians love Israel, I support them. I don't support what I hear on the news; Hamas, I support Palestinians I've had real contact with.
 
You are trying to use religion to change my political views.

Look, I am pro-Israeli because I've known a few Lebanese and Palestinians in my life, and ALL were pro-Israeli and fealt oppressed by Hamas.

There is even a poster on this forum, Abdmez, who lives in Israel, who is a Palestinian, who loves Israel and appreciates how the state takes care of him and his children's education. He is pro-Israeli.

If REAL Palestinians love Israel, I support them. I don't support what I hear on the news; Hamas, I support Palestinians I've had real contact with.

You are talking about few what about the millions of palestinians and lebonesse that still live there? Ofcourse 2 or 3 yeah i can understand if they feel that way towards israel. I can tell you about few experience i had i know couple of people who hate israel and they came from palestian. I know a jew who hates israel too.. He feels israel is unjust can you explain why might a person who lived in israel might feel that way...

Israel conflict is islamic issue not just arab issue..
 
What has Hamas ever accomplished?

I agree hamas should engage into more peaceful means but there is so much hamas can do. I mean if hamas doesnt do anything israel bombs them ofcourse they have to retaliate back. When they do news media plays it as hamas started the whole thing...
 
And whose fault is that? When you see Islamic leaders calling for Israel to be wiped out, when mullahs use the Quran to justify hostility, when a Muslim commits suicide bombings in buses and cafes, what would you expect?.
I agree the Israeli state should be dismantle (not the people), what right has a thief? No rights.
When A muslim commits a sucide bombing against people who did no harm is not right e.g. London. No justification but drawing conclusion and saying it is fault of muslims in general than your quite incorrect nor of their potrayal, nor drawing in conclusion that I advocate that is not nice.
One other thing, the london bombing was wrong, but it was the result of western foreign policy, unless you think they did it for the fun of it.
Allah(swt) will be the Judge upon them.

We are the ones that are allowing them to make labels because of our un-Islamic practices.
I agree. But it is not allways the way they tell it.

Most of the blame goes to the Arab leaders. If Palestinians are so personal, why are the Israelis sheltering them, and not their fellow Muslim “brothers?” From what I recall, Jordan took some parts of Palestine as well. Muslims are not helping the Palestinians, they are making things even worse. The Arab leader are just using Islam to achieve their political agenda.
Israel is sheltering the palestinian people?
I agree that the some of the arab leaders should do more about it.

Permission from the parents is mandatory! Parents are much valued in Islam, and there are guidelines to performing Jihad, which are not followed at all by the “jihadists.” It’s plain murder. The real Jihad was during the Crusades and Saladin’s time. Today’s jihad is terrorism.
Generalizing terrorism with All Jihad is a fallacy, even in the age of today.


I have previously stated that I am no sympathizer for Israel. But my point is that twisting the teachings of Islam to justify sinful acts is inexcusable. Islam has no place in the affairs of Hezbollah or Al-Quaeda. A Muslim would mind his business, or would commit to peace treaties with Israel.

So you already Judged HEzbollah as terrorist?
A muslim will mind the business of his fellow brother also.

Peace treatise with Israel. Do you know what are proposed on those peace treatise. It is not just a piece paper that say Peace Please.

My problem is using Islam as a tool to fight and commit terrorism. And the whole thing was started by Hezbollah, so don’t forget that. The Israeli massacres are inexcusable, but we need to take our share of the blame.
If you reffering to taking millitary Hostage it is permissable, HEzbollah asked for prisoner exchange. Totally reasonable and permissable. Israel refused, and wan't uncondition release, what about the unconditional release of prisoners from Israel. Also to note diplomatic means was not even considered not even by the 2 western goverment, Israel took millitary action, (guess the result) Hezbollah responded (Guess the result). Immediate Ceasefire was not even called by the U.S-Uk when everyone called for it.

My fellow Muslim brothers are being oppressed in Muslim countries. Muslims in Israel and America are MUCH better off. Then again, being from “London,” you wouldn’t quite understand while enjoying freedom and equality.
Who does not know they are being opressed in muslim countries?
Give a true free election. You will see the result.
I know about those so called arab leaders and this we can agree on.
but making thus a conclusion and say therefore muslim are better of leaving under Israel or America is not logical.

I can say muslim are better of living in certain Arab state than in bangladesh.



1.) Explain to me how Israel and America/Britain is oppressive.
2.) Compare the situation in Israel to those of its neighbors.
3.) Quit it with your baseless theories. Prove me they are traitors.
4.) Muslims in Israel are quite content
5.) For more information, consult out brother abdmez in this forum, straight from Jerusalem.
Hold on, I will provide you with articles information to read.

http://www.chomsky.info/ (Recommended)
http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ (Recommended)
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=special_report&queue=lebanonpalestine_reports
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=special_reports_list

Explore those sites, for starters.

I do not need any advice from you pertaining to the Quran. I do understand. I am not blinded with hate. Maybe you should practice what you preach.

Are you accusing me of being blinded with hate?
It is not nice to make statement like that.

Peace.
 
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You don't have anything to do with the Quran, the Quran doesn't seperate politics from religion and spirituality just as Dawood (as) did not see distinction between the two.

Members of hizbollah know more about Islam then you, they know the real Islam as shown by the sacrifice of Imam Hussain (as), not this apologetic submitting to oppressors and oppression and just pray at home Islam you are trying to protray as the real Islam.

Our Prophet (pbuh) was very politcal, the Quran has more verses to do with social and political aspects of man then spritituality.

The revolution in Iran was a victory for the umma, believing in rulership of other then what God revealed is haram. Seperating state from religion in Islam is haram. Accepting king fahad as legitimate leader is kufr and believe in taghootic reign.

Is you knows barely about Islam, nothing about justice and the political mission of Quran, nothing about God's will regarding oppressed and oppressors, an who are you to criticize people like Khomeini (qas), Khamanei (ha) and Nasrallah (ha) and say they know barely anything about Islam.
 
Salaam,

Why i hate Israel,for their survival they murdered hundred of thousand of Palestinians,muslima nd christians.

They moved them from the land and after that palc them in areas where they are oppresed daily so that they can live their way of LIFE

As for truces with Israel tell me,do your ead much about peace treaty where the Isrealis still bomb palestine as they say "becasue they will murder anyone who get in their way"?

So a treaty should be honoured but when they break it with the murder of palestinian but still say that they keep it is just HYPROCRITE.

And Muslim are ISLAM,,,that is why the UMMAH is one,in the past under the Khalifah,we moved as one and attacked or defend as one.

The Isrealis invaded Palestine and Lebanon ,that is an aggresive act and should be responded to by the entire muslim ummah.
But as always the hyprocrites exist in the propeht time and even now.

They say we are destroying Islam ,but they hyprocrites are the one who say why should the ummah interfere.

As Allah say,these people say they do what they do for peace but they are the mischeif maker.

May Allah curse these hyprocrites and their coven.
 
מדינת ישׂראל;438463 said:
It would be a great argument, if just about everything in your post wasn't completly false, or distorted information.

Very Rich coming from somone who has posted sites that has more or less re-written history in one form or another.

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You Mean These sites:

http://www.chomsky.info/ (Recommended)
http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ (Recommended)
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx...tin e_reports
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx...l_reports_list

Ok. I will check them out by thoroughly reading them.

Sorry I did not find the word "anti-israel" in it.

I will check again by reading another article.

If I find it I will check back with you Guyz. I am sure my effort won't go unwasted.
 

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