If Adam and Eve were white where did all the other races come from?

[Woodrow]

Hi Abu Musab,

No that is completely not true. The story of Lut with very little minor detail differences is essentially correct in christian faith as it is in Islamic and Israeli tradition. Lut was pious and left Sodom when told by the angels who were sent to him along with his family, and everyone escaped before dawn except for his wife.

From the Bible Genesis 30-36

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [ah] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [ai] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

That's true, but as far as the genetic discussion here that is going, shouldn't we consider that genetics behaved completely differently back then? I mean Adam lived for 960 years, and Noah lived for 950 years, and look at us now! Then again they used to be much taller than we were as per all the hadith evidence that they used to be 40 armlengths. On top of that we don't know what the genetic code contained and what God would have provided to prevent the close relative-unions of the next few generations from producing defects.

On top of all that, like glo said, oh absolutely yes there is God making his miracles with the entire few generations considering that Adam was created directly from clay and Hawwa was created out of his body, then obviously she was created with a ready made different genetic code.

No disagreement there

God knows best of course and I don't think conjecture can lead to too many answers here. But yes if someone wants to argue evolution from monkeys, please tell me about the part where all humans of different races have the same size while evolving from different apes, apparently at the same time from different parts of the World! :shade:

You bring up an interesting point about the many types of apes. The evolutionists contend we are descended from the apes Gorillas, Orangutans, Chimpanzees, Bonobos etc. Monkeys are seperate and more squirrel like than ape-like.

One point the evolutionists often miss is that while the apes are similar to each other not even they can be proven to be related. Strongest evedence is you can not interbreed them. They are distinctly seperate species.

without elaboration it can be shown it is impossible to cross breed humans with any of the apes indicating they are not related.

Other creatures such as Horses and donkeys can be shown to have a common ancestor as they can be cross bred. But there are no other creatures on earth Humans can have cross bred off spring with. It is a genetic impossibility. True some perverts have attempted relations with animals, but no off spring were ever produced. Humans have no common relatives except humans. Our Chromosomes simply can not pair up with the chromosomes of any other creature.

 

[Sampharo]

From the Bible Genesis 30-36

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [ah] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [ai] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

YIKES!! :embarrass I sat with a few christians and their version of the story was very close to ours, except that whole turning to salt because she looked back thing. They never mentioned anything about this!

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

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The story about Prophet Lut(Alayhi as-Salam), It is from Bible right? I highly doubt that it is true..Can someone please verify?

 

[جوري]

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The story about Prophet Lut(Alayhi as-Salam), It is from Bible right? I highly doubt that it is true..Can someone please verify?

you think a prophet sent to people to warn them against lewd sins of the flesh would be committing lewd sins of the flesh with his daughters, fathering his own grandchildren and being drunk while at it?

christians have no reverence for Allah swt you expect them to have any semblance of respect to his prophets.. in suret al Baqarah it already questions them, if they are truly pious, then why do they go about killing God's messengers?

whether it is character assassination or literal killing..

 

[Woodrow]

YIKES!! :embarrass I sat with a few christians and their version of the story was very close to ours, except that whole turning to salt because she looked back thing. They never mentioned anything about this!

Their FULL version of what is in the bible differs very much from what we know to be true. I did quote from the KJV which is accepted by a very large percentage of Christians.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

you think a prophet sent to people to warn them against lewd sins of the flesh would be committing lewd sins of the flesh with his daughters, fathering his own grandchildren and being drunk while at it?

christians have no reverence for Allah swt you expect them to have any semblance of respect to his prophets.. in suret al Baqarah it already questions them, if they are truly pious, then why do they go about killing God's messengers?

whether it is character assassination or literal killing..

Aathobillah..I know its not true, and I didnt believe in it, I just wanted to know if there are any sources about this false allegation against a Prophet of Allah..

 

[marwen]

Back to prophet Adam(as) :
In Arabic, the word 'adam' (آدم) is the noun of our ancestor Prophet Adam,
but this word ('adam') is also an arabic adjective that means : "brown".
So, some liguistics say that Prophet Adam was named that way, because
he was probably brown because he is created from dust ('adeem-ul-ardh' : أديم الأرض) wich is brown.

That's just a liguistic explanation that I can't prove with hadeeth saheeh, but it's possible.

 

[Woodrow]

Aathobillah..I know its not true, and I didnt believe in it, I just wanted to know if there are any sources about this false allegation against a Prophet of Allah..

That false allegation and similar false allegations are found in the OT of the Bible. They are believed to be true by nearly all Christians.

The only source you will find for them is in the OT of the Bible.

 

[AinEstonia]

First humans are believed to originate from Africa and migrated from there to rest of the planet.
A TEDtalksDirector video called "Nina Jablonski breaks the illusion of skin color," it's quite decent and might answer your question, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSPNVunyFQ

 

[revert2007]

First humans are believed to originate from Africa and migrated from there to rest of the planet.
A TEDtalksDirector video called "Nina Jablonski breaks the illusion of skin color," it's quite decent and might answer your question, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOSPNVunyFQ

First humans are Adam and Eve made of clay.Not from Africa but from Paradise .

 

[Snowflake]

Sis Lily - There wasn't an enough lapse of time for any sort of genetic diseases to be borne a new.. if it were a progressive, over several generations type incestuous relations then indeed there would have been a higher chance of genetic diseases, but that wasn't the case..

MashaAllah... exactly what crossed my mind. Not that it matters though when it comes to Allah power. He can and does create perfect beings from imperfect ones when He wants. What's really mind boggling is how atheists can't get their head round how different races came from one source yet they think 'chance' can create a perfect universe. :hmm:

 

[جوري]

MashaAllah... exactly what crossed my mind. Not that it matters though when it comes to Allah power. He can and does create perfect beings from imperfect ones when He wants. What's really mind boggling is how atheists can't get their head round how different races came from one source yet they think 'chance' can create a perfect universe. :hmm:

Jazaki Allah khyran..

br. Mc. post is best and he is a geneticist so this is his bread and butter:

There is actually little genetic variability within the human race and for that matter between humans and chimpanzees. We don’t know but Allah (swt) could have created both the genetic variation and caused the genetic drift to define the races through reproductive isolation as well as the mutations that cause genetic diseases as a means to discourage incest. There are a few genetic diseases even in very inbred breeds of dogs-- How many defects would show up in humans with this high degree of inbreeding?

The assumption is that Adam would have been genetically pure of defects, but not necessarily that he was homozygous for every gene. I also believe that Allah (swt) continues to direct changes that we perceive as natural processes and the atheistic evolutionist interprets as naturalistic evolution. Surah 29:19-20 Do they not see how Allah originates creation then repeats its process? Surely it is easy for Allah. Say to them: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah originates the creation, then creates the later creation.”
I downloaded a program to calculate inbreeding coefficients and determined that the dog below, has one of 0.3125 and she is a normal dog.

what atheists fail to realize is if they are starting from a single celled organism and say that single cell successfully proceeded by some fairy dust to become a fully sentient complex being of 'two sexes' they are still facing the same odds, but merely setting themselves back for they'd need to account for how whatever they deem the origin or seed of life developed into what it is today.. we all know modern human beings weren't always in existence, and the whole 'long long long long time passed' doesn't really cut it for how things spring into life!

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

I personally believe that atheists are just in denial. They are just bunch of mindless creatures who create confusion among the mass in order to take away the 'god' belief in mass population. They are jealous towards Allah because he is the creator of everything. He is Allah, than Whom there is La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open). He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. 59:22

He is Allah than Whom there is La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allah! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him. 59:23

He is Allah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names . All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. 59:24

 

[Woodrow]

Jazaki Allah khyran..

br. Mc. post is best and he is a geneticist so this is his bread and butter:



what atheists fail to realize is if they are starting from a single celled organism and say that single cell successfully proceeded by some fairy dust to become a fully sentient complex being of 'two sexes' they are still facing the same odds, but merely setting themselves back for they'd need to account for how whatever they deem the origin or seed of life developed into what it is today.. we all know modern human beings weren't always in existence, and the whole 'long long long long time passed' doesn't really cut it for how things spring into life!

One problem: I can not see how non-believers can overcome. Why is it man can not interbreed with any other species besides man and produce viable offspring. Every creature on earth can interbreed with other members of the same genus and produce off spring. ie look at the equine family: Horses, zebras, donkeys, quahogs, separate species from the same family and readily cross-breed producing hybrid species (ie Horse+Donkey=Mule) Show me one hybrid human, Sorry the critter does not exist. The concept of an ancient common ancestor for man and the non-Human hominids strikes me as being an impossibility. If it did happen there would be more than one species of human and there would be some thing like an apeman trying to move next door to me. But sorry none of the monkeys are human although I will admit some humans do act like monkeys.

I t is physically impossible for a human to cross breed with his alleged closest relatives Gorillas, chimpanzees, Orangutans, Bonobos. No matter how bad they try it is physically impossible because of anatomical differences.

Oddly, it is probably possible for humans to interbreed with Jinn, who are not even composed of Protoplasm. Now if a case of that can be proven, that would blow the brains out of a geneticist.

 

[cat eyes]

Allah (swt) commanded the angels to take the soil/ clay from different part of the earth, and thus created man, from dark, browns, yellow etc shaded of dirt from the earth.

Mentioned in Ibn Kathir commented by Imam Anwar Awlaki

subhanAllah i think that just about explains the whole topic. why must we go to deep into matters which our little brains cannot grasp.

im sure Allah swt knew what he was doing before creating Adam and eve.

 

[Trumble]

I personally believe that atheists are just in denial. They are just bunch of mindless creatures who create confusion among the mass in order to take away the 'god' belief in mass population. They are jealous towards Allah because he is the creator of everything.

It's very difficult to be 'jealous towards' something that, by definition, you do not believe exists. Nevertheless, as has already been pointed out it is quite possible to believe in God without taking the Adam and Eve creation myth literally, and a great many people do.

 

[M.A.S.H.]

One problem: I can not see how non-believers can overcome. Why is it man can not interbreed with any other species besides man and produce viable offspring. Every creature on earth can interbreed with other members of the same genus and produce off spring. ie look at the equine family: Horses, zebras, donkeys, quahogs, separate species from the same family and readily cross-breed producing hybrid species (ie Horse+Donkey=Mule) Show me one hybrid human, Sorry the critter does not exist. The concept of an ancient common ancestor for man and the non-Human hominids strikes me as being an impossibility. If it did happen there would be more than one species of human and there would be some thing like an apeman trying to move next door to me. But sorry none of the monkeys are human although I will admit some humans do act like monkeys.

I t is physically impossible for a human to cross breed with his alleged closest relatives Gorillas, chimpanzees, Orangutans, Bonobos. No matter how bad they try it is physically impossible because of anatomical differences.

Oddly, it is probably possible for humans to interbreed with Jinn, who are not even composed of Protoplasm. Now if a case of that can be proven, that would blow the brains out of a geneticist.

It is untrue that every species can interbreed with others, it may be true with equines and perhaps some more and even those do not produce viable offspring, mules are iffertile.
There simply are no animals genetically slose enough to the human animal to produce offspring. Besides that, no one has really tried doing it, excpet Soviets who failed and that was like 50 years ago, using crude methods incomparable to today's science. Perhaps it is possible but scientific ethics prevent such experiments from being perfomred in the first place. Scientists do assume homo sapiens was able to breed with neanderthals.

 

[Woodrow]

It is untrue that every species can interbreed with others, it may be true with equines and perhaps some more and even those do not produce viable offspring, mules are iffertile.
There simply are no animals genetically slose enough to the human animal to produce offspring. Besides that, no one has really tried doing it, excpet Soviets who failed and that was like 50 years ago, using crude methods incomparable to today's science. Perhaps it is possible but scientific ethics prevent such experiments from being perfomred in the first place. Scientists do assume homo sapiens was able to breed with neanderthals.

It is untrue that every species can interbreed with others

i have yet to see any flora or fauna genus within which more than one species exists that interbreeding does not occur. Perhaps somebody can name one.

Scientists do assume homo sapiens was able to breed with neanderthals.

I assume the opposite. An assumption is an opinion based. I will grant the scientist have the right to express their opinions and I reserve equal right to express mine

 

[M.A.S.H.]

i have yet to see any flora or fauna genus within which more than one species exists that interbreeding does not occur. Perhaps somebody can name one.

I assume the opposite. An assumption is an opinion based. I will grant the scientist have the right to express their opinions and I reserve equal right to express mine

guess I was wrong, species in the same genus can interbreed, usually producing iffertile offspring, unless anattomical differences prevent copulation, though it should work in the lab. The problem with human interbreeding is that no other species from the homo genus exists so there is no one to mate with.

 

[Woodrow]

guess I was wrong, species in the same genus can interbreed, usually producing iffertile offspring, unless anattomical differences prevent copulation, though it should work in the lab. The problem with human interbreeding is that no other species from the homo genus exists so there is no one to mate with.

Something you said I agree with 100% "no other species from the homo genus exists so there is no one to mate with"