If any one of you is without sin...

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Al Habeshi said:
"Rudolf Bultmann is one of the most influential theologians and biblical scholars of the twentieth century."

Plus he looks handsome

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That is a picture of what Bultman looked like when young. You should see what he looks like now. (Oh, btw, he died in 1976 :giggling: )
 
Grace Seeker said:
If such has occurred (and again I haven't studied them) they are irrelevant to today's translations of the Bible. (Btw, the introductions to a bible usually tell you something about the translation process that went into it. You might want to read the small print, if this is a concern of yours.) And arguments against modern translations based on such things are disingenuious. I prefer to think that your well know Islamic scholar was simply relating some point of history or making another type of reference and somehow was misconstrued as providing an argument against the integrity of modern translations of the Old Testament. Or, even more likely, I've misunderstood your point. I hate to think that it was truly an attempt at a refutation, for such poorly founded refutations are unworthy of truly good scholarship.
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Grace Seeker,

It's ok I didnt take offense, its always possible that I misunderstood his point, I'll look back into and get back to you inshaallah.
 
:salamext:

Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salaam everyone,

going back to the original post (if i remember it as it seems to have been sidetracked);

i have no problem with the "illustration" of the story. in fact, i find it to be one of my favorite points of contemplation.

MY conclusion to the story is: "use the Bible as a "mirror" to view all your faults, and Insha' Allah, do your best to correct yourselves. DO NOT use the Bible as a "window" to see the faults of others!"

"remove the plank from your own eye, before harping on your brother about the speck in his"

one must view the laws of Allah(SWT) as a formula for individual conduct as well as "collective" conduct!

while you may see me in a running discussion about the origins of Christian texts and dogma, i find the Prophet Isa/Jesus(as) to be one of the most fascinating and inspiring figures in all of history, second only to the Mesenger of Allah(pbuh) and some of the Sahabah(ra). in fact, when listening to Seerah or Tafseer, our Messenger(pbuh), and Abu Bakr(ra) epsecially, strike me as some of the very few peoples in recorded history that actually "got" Jesus/Isa(as)!

the Qur'an is full of parables, and likewise, the sayings of Jesus/Isa(as). only Allah(SWT) knows which is which. imho, if we try to "diminish" or "belittle" the works of Isa/Jesus(as), we may, unintentionally, speak against the Words of Allah(SWT). in a sense, "labelling Haram something that is Hallal!".

remember, BOTH Jesus/Isa(as) and the Messenger of Allah(pbuh), while their "warnings" may have differed, the One True G-d that they preached was the SAME! thus, the ultimate "Message" would have been the same...

Astaghfirullah, i'm sick and i ramble...

i hope someone gets the point!

Wa Salaam,

:wasalamex

Yusuf
 
YusufNoor said:
:salamext:

Assalamu 'alaykum,

A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salaam everyone,

going back to the original post (if i remember it as it seems to have been sidetracked);

i have no problem with the "illustration" of the story. in fact, i find it to be one of my favorite points of contemplation.

MY conclusion to the story is: "use the Bible as a "mirror" to view all your faults, and Insha' Allah, do your best to correct yourselves. DO NOT use the Bible as a "window" to see the faults of others!"

"remove the plank from your own eye, before harping on your brother about the speck in his"

one must view the laws of Allah(SWT) as a formula for individual conduct as well as "collective" conduct!

while you may see me in a running discussion about the origins of Christian texts and dogma, i find the Prophet Isa/Jesus(as) to be one of the most fascinating and inspiring figures in all of history, second only to the Mesenger of Allah(pbuh) and some of the Sahabah(ra). in fact, when listening to Seerah or Tafseer, our Messenger(pbuh), and Abu Bakr(ra) epsecially, strike me as some of the very few peoples in recorded history that actually "got" Jesus/Isa(as)!

the Qur'an is full of parables, and likewise, the sayings of Jesus/Isa(as). only Allah(SWT) knows which is which. imho, if we try to "diminish" or "belittle" the works of Isa/Jesus(as), we may, unintentionally, speak against the Words of Allah(SWT). in a sense, "labelling Haram something that is Hallal!".

remember, BOTH Jesus/Isa(as) and the Messenger of Allah(pbuh), while their "warnings" may have differed, the One True G-d that they preached was the SAME! thus, the ultimate "Message" would have been the same...

Astaghfirullah, i'm sick and i ramble...

i hope someone gets the point!

Wa Salaam,

:wasalamex

Yusuf
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Hey, Yusuf, very well said!
 

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