If God Created the Universe Who Created God?

[Idris]

Prophet Muhammad predicted that this question would one day be raised as he correctly predicted a great many future events of importance. On one occasion he said:

A day will certainly come when some people will sit with their legs crossed and ask: ‘Given that God created everything, who created God?’ (Bukhari)

i'm so totally confused.

That's what philosophy about, never an answer just questions in questions in questions lol ...that is what I think...

 

[Abdul Fattah]

I agree with hypotheses 1 and 3 (although I cannot prove them to be true). I disagree with hypothesis 2 (why is it not possible?), and therefore necessarily with 4.

The argument cannot be valid as the conclusion contradicts premise 1. You would need to amend that by adding "except a First Cause", in which case we would just be back where we started. And there is nothing that leads to the conclusion that any First Cause is God, unless, of course, you choose to define them as synonyms.

Ok, Let me put it this way. If there were infinite causes that would also imply infinite time preceding it. That would mean that "now" (the present) can only exist if infinite time precedes it. So in other words we could wait forever, but big bang would never happen because it takes infinite time to pass first, but infinite time never passes, as it is infinite by defenition.

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

None Can give the answer

so its better to close :?

 

[Snowflake]

I don't see the point in trying to convince disbelievers. We can never guide them. The message has already been delivered. Now it is up to them to accept it, or reject it.

Quran: "Verily you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He wills. And he knows best those who are guided." [al-Qur’aan, al-Qasas(28):56]

 

[Re.TiReD]

who created thoughts...feelings...sight...touch....?


they are real...we feel them....yet i dont know who created them! I would say I feel them because of Allah....to ask who created Allah is a ignorant question and one that does not require a answer for a true beliver. :X Peace

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

Close this thread ... please

 

[Sabbir_1]

I don't see the point in trying to convince disbelievers.

We muist still try to tell them... Even i they dont listen.. most of them are just so braiwashed from what they hear from the media about islam that they wont listenm to anyone else..

If god created the universe who created god

If you look at the buildings, did you see the people who built them.. no.. where u there no.. but you know that it couldnt of come into existence without a creater. same wid the universe u know its there.. u didnt see who created it....but it must of had a creater. and that is Allah s.w.t

We can never guide them

Allah guides them

The message has already been delivered. Now it is up to them to accept it, or reject it.

True.. inshallah falsehood will perish, and truth will prevail.

 

[Re.TiReD]

are you in the mirror or the mirror is in you?
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the mirror is on the wall....you can see your reflection in it..nothing is in nobody! :X :?

 

[Trumble]

So in other words we could wait forever, but big bang would never happen because it takes infinite time to pass first, but infinite time never passes, as it is infinite by defenition.

Wait from when? The concept is meaningless if time is infinite; it only makes sense if you assume what you are trying to prove in the first place. Your implied premise is that there is a starting point, but that point is an infinite distance from now (or the Big Bang, or whatever). That is clearly nonsense, but its also totally different from claiming there isn't such a starting point in the first place, in which case the problem doesn't arise. Every point in time is as good as any other.

 

[Pygoscelis]

If you look at the buildings, did you see the people who built them.. no.. where u there no.. but you know that it couldnt of come into existence without a creater.

Indeed. And following this same logic, the creators of those buildings must be intelligent and awfully complicated creatures. Indeed we are. And being even more complicated and wonderful than the buildings, we must surely require a creator too, right? Just like the buildings.

And just like the creators of the buildings the creators, or creator of us must be more wonderful and complex than the creation. And it being so, it must even moreso need a creator. Hence the question of who created God.

And this goes on and on to infinity, getting more and more complex with each step.

I agree with the poster above who said that we are forced between two highly unlikely scenarios. Either something came from nothing (be it the universe, the creator of it, or the creator of the creator of it) or there is an infinite stream of creation.

and that is Allah s.w.t

This part is often added as an afterthought. But it is such a massive leap that it shouldn't be. Even if the universe was created by a creator declaring that creator to be a specific God with specific traits and demands doesn't follow without a whole lot of additional explanation.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The Messenger of Allaah peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has warned us against some of these things. It says in the hadeeth: “The Shaytaan* comes to any one of you and says, ‘Who created such and such? Who created such and such?’ until he says, ‘Who created your Lord?’ If that happens to you, seek refuge with Allaah and give up these thoughts.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3277
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I was not aware of this. It is interesting to know.

Your faith forbids you from considering this quandry? Perhaps it is a better instrument for questioning faith than I had supposed.

 

[skhalid]

I think some1 has already said:
A creator doesnot always have to be created as well!!!
Just because everything has that has been created has a creator...there can only be one answer, that overall...there must be a top creator who created all from the beginning....its a sort of creativity chain...it must have a start and an end!!!

 

[- Qatada -]

This vast universe is a big miracle and it couldn't have been created by itself. The one who created it can simply destroy it, which shows its imperfection.

The Creator of the universe however is perfect, and Has no flaws whatsoever. Therefore no-one could have created God because God is Perfect.


If anyone claims that God is created by some other perfect being, then they are wrong because something cannot be perfect unless it is self-sufficient. And part of being imperfect is the idea of it being created.

If anyone asks if God could create another God in His place, we simply say that God only does what befits His Majesty, so He isn't in need, or doesn't need to create another being like this, because that would make the other being imperfect.


Allaah Almighty knows best.



This thread will continue going in circles and repetitive arguments, so Thread Closed.



Peace.






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