If Jesus Was God Then...

[Malsidabym]

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
“The Muslim does not slander, curse, speak obscenely or speak rudely.”

 

[abdul Majid]

its clear that they all came with the same message, to worsip nobody except God and to tell us of the purpose in life, it is a test on which we will be judged and will then enter heaven or hell....


Allaah sent Adam and his wife, and Iblees, down to the earth, and He sent down Revelation to them and He sent the Messengers to them. So whoever believes will enter Paradise and whoever disbelieves will enter Hell:

When Allaah sent them all down to the earth, the conflict between faith and kufr, between truth and falsehood, between good and evil, began, and it will continue until Allaah inherits the earth and everyone on it:

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

God in the bible does change, from this vengeful one God to this three-in-one somewhat blood-thirsty but apparently All-Merciful God. The bible doesn't make sense. The bible has been changed, you never told me about what you think about this. You must have come across the many contradictions.
I think the blood sacrifices were man-made, they never existed. If they did them then it was because they were ignorant. I don't believe in the blood sacrifice thing.
We worship the same God, but you slander Him and commit blasphemy and ascibe partners to Him, we don't. That's the difference.

 

[Nicola]

But the bible has been changed. What do you say about that? Perhaps the prophecies are true, maybe some guy somewhere made it up

All Muslims tells us the Bible has been changed...Yet we as Christians and the Jews with the OT see no contridictions...but if we look to the Koran we can see plenty..of differences..like it was Issac who was the promised son of God..where as you believe it was Ismael..

Also the Koran states Mary mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron..

At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!"
-- Sura 19:27-28

Yet we understand he was Moses brother

Sorry I don't understand what you mean about the prophecies...are you meaning...someone changed the prophecies later in the Bible or the prophets made these future events up..many prohecies have been fullfilled yet many are yet to be in our future. If these are lies they will not come true of course..so far many have turned out to be true.

We 17 prophetic books, 5 of which are considered "major" and the remaining 12 "minor". The major prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel are called such not so much due to the size of the book but due to the relative importance of their content.
Even though the book of the prophet Daniel only contains 12 chapters, there are more specific prophecies about the future, time lines and clarifications covering today and tomorow than in any of the other prophetic books.

That isn't the point, the point is the bible has been changed and everyone has to admit this

The point is these prophecies have come true and I believe with many other people, that the rest will come to into being. So why should we not believe when we can see the evidence to support them.

You can't be 100% sure that the Bible as been changed because neither of us where there to say (The meaning of salvation etc)
But if you mean like the words in the KJV are different from the modern words used in the NIV and different versions well yes, because they are used for different audiences thoughout the world.....a Childs Bible will different to an adults Bible, easy words for the Child to understand..etc...also the use of our Languge as changed over the centuries...we no longer us Thou...Thy...Thee like in the KJV


Just like the Koran being translated into English, etc. It is not exact to the orginial version.

 

[abdul Majid]

wow nicola im glad your here, did i disrespect you in any way???

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

All Muslims tells us the Bible has been changed...Yet we as Christians and the Jews with the OT see no contridictions...but if we look to the Koran we can see plenty..of differences..like it was Issac who was the promised son of God..where as you believe it was Ismael..

Also the Koran states Mary mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron..

At length she brought (the babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms), They said: "O Mary! Truly a strange thing has thou brought! "O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a man of evil, nor your mother a woman unchaste!"
-- Sura 19:27-28

Yet we understand he was Moses brother

Sorry I don't understand what you mean about the prophecies...are you meaning...someone changed the prophecies later in the Bible or the prophets made these future events up..many prohecies have been fullfilled yet many are yet to be in our future. If these are lies they will not come true of course..so far many have turned out to be true.

We 17 prophetic books, 5 of which are considered "major" and the remaining 12 "minor". The major prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel are called such not so much due to the size of the book but due to the relative importance of their content.
Even though the book of the prophet Daniel only contains 12 chapters, there are more specific prophecies about the future, time lines and clarifications covering today and tomorow than in any of the other prophetic books.



The point is these prophecies have come true and I believe with many other people, that the rest will come to into being. So why should we not believe when we can see the evidence to support them.

You can't be 100% sure that the Bible as been changed because neither of us where there to say (The meaning of salvation etc)
But if you mean like the words in the KJV are different from the modern words used in the NIV and different versions well yes, because they are used for different audiences thoughout the world.....a Childs Bible will different to an adults Bible, easy words for the Child to understand..etc...also the use of our Languge as changed over the centuries...we no longer us Thou...Thy...Thee like in the KJV


Just like the Koran being translated into English, etc. It is not exact to the orginial version.

hehe... watch an ahmed deedat video sis. May Allah have mercy on his soul, he did alot of good work.

The Qur'an isn't contradicting if it disagrees with the bible, it's only contradicting if it disagrees with itself. Why shouldn't it disagree with the bible, it has been changed.
As to the statement about the Qur'an, it wasn't literal. Sister of Aaron as in, descendant of Aaron.

And the catholic bible is WAY different to the protestant bible, not just words... whole books!

Try to be a little bit open-minded. Consider the possibility that the bible may have been changed.

 

[abdul Majid]

hehe... watch an ahmed deedat video sis. May Allah have mercy on his soul, he did alot of good work.

The Qur'an isn't contradicting if it disagrees with the bible, it's only contradicting if it disagrees with itself. Why shouldn't it disagree with the bible, it has been changed.
As to the statement about the Qur'an, it wasn't literal. Sister of Aaron as in, descendant of Aaron.

And the catholic bible is WAY different to the protestant bible, not just words... whole books!

Try to be a little bit open-minded. Consider the possibility that the bible may have been changed.

i agree sis

 

[Nicola]

i beleive that you lack alot of knowledge about ISLAM ! so you should investigate before anything ! for your knowledge for truth !

Yes you are right..I do not have much knowledge on Islam but I know on the main...doctrine of Christiaity it differs greatly from Islam...and thats the reason why I am here to understand more about what those differences are.
My knowlege was given to me in my vision and I know Jesus does not lie.

So here you say Jesus is basicly corrrecting the OT?? right !
ok thats good becuse people were mislead, just as it happened in the NT and people got mislead, then the Quran came to guide them again!!

No I am not saying Jesus corrected the OT but rather stated to us that it was true...like when Jesus tells us times will be like they where before Noah...

Like he tells us about Daniels prophecies...if anything had of been wrong he would have said...instead he confirmed it has the truth.
so Moses was told to use blood to save...the Jewish used blood to atone for sin always using innocent animals...then the Koran doesn't mention anything about that God using blood at all...see the difference?...all of a sudden God no longer requires a blood sacrifice...it simple does not make sense.

we do beleive in the first two religons hellooo, and we follow what GOD has said and not those extra man made verses!!

we beleive in christ and his second coming!!

Yes I know you believe parts of the Bible that only the ones that fit in with the words of the Koran...anything that differs from the Koran or not mentioned in the Koran...Muslims say the Bible is wrong..been changed...etc
we all have our own mind to believe which one is true.

Even Jesus' second coming in the Koran is totally different to what the bible says it will be like...why would God change His mind....But if it was made up by man like you say...then man shall see for ourselves when the time comes...when or if in your case the prophecies from old start coming true..then we shall know which book is true is from God...so up to our present time all prophecies have come true so I do not doubt the rest will come true..we are now waiting for others to be fullfilled...then people shall know for sure.



you say the Quran contradicts the Bible, well which Bible?? there many , and you DO NOT HAVE THE ORIGINAL, ONLY WHAT MAN HAS SUBSITUTED!! SO HOW CAN YOU EVEN SAY THAT?? and by the way the Bible contradicts itsself!! The Quran clears all the man made cludder from it!!

It condtadicts in every version...from the KJV to the NIV
all the bibles no matter which edition ...editions state the same doctrine for us to follow and that is our main concern...not the use of two different words meaning the same thing etc.

we never diagreed with the Bible, only what people have added!!!
***GOD did not create man to leave him alone with no path to follow. Rather, GOD revealed the Books and sent Messengers to guide mankind to the Straight Path***.....

in ISLAM it says also your not suppose to pray so people can see you and say so and so prays....our reward is with GOD alone!!

So why do you pray so people can see you then...alot I think comes from culture and not your religion..like my Muslim girlfriend...she has to send her young son to Quran lessons she tells me..etc...So people she knows won't talk about her not sending her child.. It really shouldn't matter what people think...Only what God thinks and knows about us.

 

[abdul Majid]

nicola have i offended you??


and when you see muslims pray altogether thats becuase we get more reward like that

 

[Nicola]

nicola im glad your here, did i disrespect you in any way???

Not at all...I'm glad I'm here also... how else can I learn.

If I want to understand other peoples beliefs etc...I need to ask..

Because I ask, I hope I'm not coming over has disrespectful...I want to understand fully the differences.

 

[abdul Majid]

OK THATS BEAUTIFUL ask me if you need help

 

[Muhammad]

and Greetings,

I have deleted the off-topic posts about members insulting each other. May I remind you that you should discuss respectfully, and if you wish to advise someone you do not need to turn it into an argument; it might even be better to contact one of the staff instead, who can issue a warning.

Also, please refrain from judging someone about their religion, eg. accusing them of not being a Muslim, as this is not the duty of anyone here nor is it possible for anyone to know from a forum.

Thank you,

Peace.

 

[Nicola]

so.... you think its impossible to do a deed in public and still hold onto sincerity? I manage to do it. I do most of my good deeds in private obviously, but i wouldn't stop doing a good deeds in public just coz someone was there. This may encourage the person present to do a good deeds aswell and it may remind them of God.

No Jesus didn't mean it like that not to help people in the open..it depends on the situation......he meant it like..don't go around telling other people what you have done...bragging about it, showing off. I gave so and so this and that..
if you give anything to the poor for instance do it in private...don't tell anyone at all, not friends family etc.. if you give to charity do it in private....only God should now...that kind of thing, that is the way we shall be rewarded...

Is that how it is in Islam also.

 

[Nicola]

its clear that they all came with the same message, to worsip nobody except God and to tell us of the purpose in life, it is a test on which we will be judged and will then enter heaven or hell....

I don't agree...the messages are different...for instance Jesus tells us we are (Christians) guaranteed salvation...

I understand in Islam you will know on Judgement day if you are saved or not?

So these two messages are different.

 

[abdul Majid]

im curious to know where he says that? and what do you have to do to get it?

 

[Nicola]

We worship the same God, but you slander Him and commit blasphemy and ascibe partners to Him, we don't. That's the difference.

I am sorry you should feel that way about me, I feel that you are insulting me and my beliefs and my Holy Father.

I haven't come here to insult anyone ..but to understand the difference between our beliefs systems.
If this is your way of communicating in an adult fashion...I'd prefer this was our last contact.
thankyou.
God Bless

 

[Nicola]

OK THATS BEAUTIFUL ask me if you need help

Thanks so much abdul

I will remember that

 

[Nicola]

im curious to know where he says that? and what do you have to do to get it?

John 3:5

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

The Spirit Jesus is talking about is the Holy Spirit when you ask and recieve this gift...Your life actually changes, you begin to start being lead by the Holy Spirit in as many parts of your life that you will allow.
If you'll allow it to that is...alot of Christians resist certain areas of their lives...that is why they still do bad or wrong things.....The Holy Spirit will stop you sinning...if you will allow it to.
This is how you are born again...When you hear of 'Born Again Christians'...this is what Jesus was talking about...to be 'born again'..
your old self dies..your bad old ways go.... You feel different ,you become different..and it a wonderful feeling inside...and it's how God wishes us to become and live.

 

[abdul Majid]

thanks

 

[E'jaazi]

[God still requires blood..and that blood comes from Jesus Christ of saviour..so we Christians believe in the blood of Christ for atonement of our sins we commit against God..
Jesus' blood is so powerful.]


Nicola,


Please go back and read my last post, Page 7 I think. "Each man willbe judegd according to his WORKS!"