If Only We Were Ruled By Islam

[Ghazi]

:wasalamex


They probably have.. but most are afraid that the government might lock them up, so they stay quiet. Some of the governments even give a big pay cheque to the scholars so they stay quiet and say what the government wants them to say, but if the scholar doesn't agree - they would be locked up and tortured probably.

Just look back in the islamic history, that when the kings/khalifas who were corrupt and you'll see that history is repeating itself like always. And only the scholars who have role models like imam abu hanifah, imam malik, ahmed, shafi'ie etc. (may Allaah Almighty be pleased with them all) were the ones that were succesful, they were all tortured because they preferred the law of Allaah, instead of the law of the corrupted kings, and this is why they are remembered - whereas the ones that became corrupted aren't even known of no more.


Allaahu ta'aala a'lam.


:salamext:

Whats the ruling regarding someone who doesn't rule by allah's law, and why don't the scholars just say the word I'm sure the mujahideen could protect them I mean what power has a goverment got without it's people.

 

[SirZubair]

You need to consider both.

Yeah,you're right.

wa'salaam

-ZUbair

 

[- Qatada -]

:wasalamex


The thing is that most of the people don't want to put their hand up, because even though they aren't a minority, nearly all want the change, but no-one wants to be the first person to go forward.

And the ones that do, they probably get tortured, the same way imam abu hanifah was poisoned, the same way imam malik was humiliated, imam ahmed was whipped and all the prophets were opposed - it is a trial from Allaah azawajal because whoever comes with the truth, the majority of the leaders & rich will go against it because they feel that its a threat to their power.


Also, if the whole country was to argue against the leader - then some people would go against it because they would prefer the corrupt life instead of the full shariah' - as they would feel its too strict. So the people have to try to aim for the truth, and that means sacrificing themselves and their lives, the same way the sahabah (radhiAllaahu anhum) did. The leaders wouldn't give up that easily either and would try to imprison and abuse the ones that were trying to bring in the truth, and this is so obvious because the example is within all the stories of the prophets that have come with the truth previously.


But in the end.. the believers will be victorious. And that would only come to striving and struggling to gain victory insha'Allaah..



wa Allaahu ta'aala a'lam. (and Allaah Almighty knows best.)


:salamext:

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I wanna know why people of authority in the ummah such as leaders and scholars havn't demanded an islamic state in their lands?

I'd like to know this too. So far as I've seen though, the ones who say they want it are called terrorists and extremists so I kind of understand why you don't see lots of people coming forward.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ghazi]

I'd like to know this too. So far as I've seen though, the ones who say they want it are called terrorists and extremists so I kind of understand why you don't see lots of people coming forward.

Ninth Scribe

I agree the islamic courts in Somalia are being called extrimists by the west when they're trying to bring in the sharia,.

 

[Caliphate]

hows it unfair? i think islam would solve most of the issues around today if it was ruled justly under shariah. I can't remember the name of that historian, maybe someone else can, but anyway he said it operfectly when he said He's sure if Muhammed PBUH was alive today, and ruled the world, all our problems and wars would be finished. Something like that anyway.

The only part i disagree in that article is about the medicine, saying there would be no diseases around and doctors don't want a cure for an illness, a bit harsh there i reckon. But other than that alhumdulillah good article

Salamu alikom, the fact is that Muhammed sallallahu alayhi wasalam died and will never come back, will it mean that we must stay in the same misery forever? Answer is no, Muhammed saw. died yes, but he saw. left the most brilliant system from Allah swt. in order to make law and order for mankind and to keep them away from the dark and corrupted laws they create from their limited and weak minds. So here we say that even muhammed saw. is not living anymore Islam will be the solution, because Islam is universal and Islam is not limited to people, place or time. That is what makes Islam unique and the most brilliant system mankind ever witnessed in all times and places. We must not and never limit ourself to the death of rasool saw. because he was a human and like all humans he died, but Allah swt will never die Islam will be applicable for all times and nations because Islam isd Intellectual ideology with laws and systems in life affairs be it transaction, military, socials, economics etc....

So our wish should be the re-estbalishment of Islam as a universal ideology and the muslims should give their pledge to their khaleefah in order to rule with Islam over the muslims and to bring the message of Islam to the rest of the world through Da3wah and Jihad.

Barakallahu feekum

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

I agree the islamic courts in Somalia are being called extrimists by the west when they're trying to bring in the sharia,.

It's a language hang up. If the Ummah would stop calling it Sharia and start calling it Justice, the west would have a hard time dissing it

Ninth Scribe

 

[wilberhum]

It's a language hang up

No, it is how we have seen it implemented. Taliban beating women, Etc

 

[afriend]

How is it that Islam flourished in it's early stages?

 

[wilberhum]

Iqram
How is it that Islam flourished in it's early stages?

Was that question for me? If so PM me and I will answer you.
Wilber

 

[Taqiyah]

Yeah, yeah, I know i got one of my previous sigs from this article:rollseyes.....


If we were ruled by Islam, we would have universal brotherhood and there would not be hunger, greed, poverty, homelessness, cruelty, evil and mistreatment.
If we were ruled by Islam, our land would be one, our peace would be one, our war would be one, our flag would be one, our happiness would be one our suffering would be one but most importantly, our God would be one!
If we were ruled by Islam, our children would look up to real heroes not hate-promoting rappers or super heroes.
If we were ruled by Islam, we would have real freedom of speech not freedom of speech where you can only say what the kaafirs want you to say or you are violating their laws.
If we were ruled by Islam, our sisters would not have to take off their Hijaab just because a secularist hypocrite wants to impose his views on the society.


I totally agree with you!
I just wish Islam would rule the world real soon.

 

[nimrod]

Taqiyah “I totally agree with you!
I just wish Islam would rule the world real soon”.

When Islam reforms and starts to rule like I hear Muslims should rule, then I might begin to agree with you.

Till then, if Muslims can’t enact Islam in their own countries, why would I ever want them ruling mine?

Folks, I know some folks might take offense at what I have posted.

When Muslims by in-large start taking greater offense toward those who miss-use Islam,
in Muslim countries, then they will gain a better seat at the table.

I wish there was a kinder way of saying that, I really do.

It kind of puts me in mind of Gandhi’s statement, to the British, that folks preferred their own bad government as opposed to an outside better government.

If you prefer an Islamic government, fine, just please, wait till after you have a single example in today’s world, that shows us all how wonderful it is, before you ask to have it enacted anywhere else.

If Islam doesn’t work in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq ect….. then how is it ever supposed to work in Bali? Much less Briton or Canada, Japan, Russia, or the USA …ect?

Thanks
Nimrod

 

[Malaikah]

Nimrod

Who said Islam wont work there? The problem is they dont impliment Islam properly.

Turkey- What a wonderful example, their government banned school girls wearing hijab!! What kind of Islamic nation is that? Theres even a law that says you cant teach kids under 15 the Quran!! So, no i wont be using them as an example of an Islamic state- they are more liek Muslims without Islam.

Just becuase a country has a large muslim population, doesnt mean Islam is being properly implimented at a government level.

 

[Cherub]

There is not a single example of a proper functioning Islamic state throughout the history of mankind.
Even when Muhammed was alive there was infighting among Muslims, there was injustice and there were wars.
At times Muslim rulers would experience periods of peace and prosperity but they never lasted.

Why does Sharia not work ? Because it's flawed and the rules contained in the Qu'ran and hadith offer no solutions to every and all problems through all time.

Also i know of no one that considers democracy and capitalism as the "perfect" system it's just the best mankind has come up with.
And quite frankly it shows.
Countries that do base there laws on Sharia however tend to be very corrupt and backwards.

The thing is.. that IF Sharia law was in anyway "better" it would have survived to this day, and everyone in the world would have such a system of government.

 

[snakelegs]

Taqiyah “I totally agree with you!
I just wish Islam would rule the world real soon”.

When Islam reforms and starts to rule like I hear Muslims should rule, then I might begin to agree with you.

Till then, if Muslims can’t enact Islam in their own countries, why would I ever want them ruling mine?

Folks, I know some folks might take offense at what I have posted.

When Muslims by in-large start taking greater offense toward those who miss-use Islam,
in Muslim countries, then they will gain a better seat at the table.

I wish there was a kinder way of saying that, I really do.

It kind of puts me in mind of Gandhi’s statement, to the British, that folks preferred their own bad government as opposed to an outside better government.

If you prefer an Islamic government, fine, just please, wait till after you have a single example in today’s world, that shows us all how wonderful it is, before you ask to have it enacted anywhere else.

If Islam doesn’t work in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq ect….. then how is it ever supposed to work in Bali? Much less Briton or Canada, Japan, Russia, or the USA …ect?

Thanks
Nimrod

well said!

 

[lolwatever]

look at andalus, no one denies the greatness of that islamic khilafah

infact when Muslims stopped behaving like Muslims, they got divided and conquered and thrown into the dust bin.

And the Khilafah of Umar is undisputibly beautiful so where many others, even Michael Heart had to apologise for having to mention him in his list of 100 best men in history

ps: i took off the first word because i got told it's not the best Islamic behaviour, but i do think Cherub either lives in a cave or is purposefully trying to stir trouble.. any layman knows that sort of fact.

 

[Wahid]

There is not a single example of a proper functioning Islamic state throughout the history of mankind.
Even when Muhammed was alive there was infighting among Muslims, there was injustice and there were wars.
.

haha BS, u dont understand the concept of caliphate system i guess, u think it has to be perfect in every way to be called caliphate? u think it means everyone will be in piece and every single person will be fed and all will be happy and good? That is just ur ignorance.
no it means Allah’s law's are implemented to the best ability of man and wars and such will happen a lot more in fact to the believers to test them which Quran has mentioned.

We had functioning Caliphate states until before ww1 which is 1400 years or so until nationalists like Lawrence and Kmal Atruk (sp?) ended it. Some were better than others but that is to be expected from humans, no one is perfect

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

No, it is how we have seen it implemented. Taliban beating women, Etc

Good grief! No system is perfect. Worry about how much domestic violence goes unchecked here? The fact that courts usually don't do diddly until after there's a homicide? My mother has detailed files of abuses by priests, politicians and the priviledged UMC. She's writing a book called Preachers and Judges. Apparently, though her parents came from Sicily, she'd never heard of the women's old-fashioned family 'argument-ender' that no household should ever be without... a deep-dish cast iron frying pan, lol. Abusive husbands? Please!

That's a pathetic excuse for dissing another people's justice system before it's even implemented.

Ninth Scribe

 

[wilberhum]

No system is perfect

That is not what I see being said. I always see someone talking about there perfect system.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

That is not what I see being said. I always see someone talking about there perfect system.

People can talk about their perfect system. We do all the time... but no one tells us we can't have one.

Ninth Scribe