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Re: Who created allah?
A created being cannot be God.
God is the Creator.
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
Men will continue to question one another till this is propounded: "Allah created all things but who created Allah?" He who found himself confronted with such a situation should say: I affirm my faith in Allah.
Reference : Sahih Muslim 134 a
In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 250
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 1, Hadith 242
https://sunnah.com/muslim/1/250
A created being cannot be God.
God is the Creator.
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
Men will continue to question one another till this is propounded: "Allah created all things but who created Allah?" He who found himself confronted with such a situation should say: I affirm my faith in Allah.
Reference : Sahih Muslim 134 a
In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 250
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 1, Hadith 242
https://sunnah.com/muslim/1/250
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Re: Who created allah?
Consider it to be like this : There is a big circle (the universes) and you live inside that circle.Inside that circle you have learned that some things can be created ,for example buildings ,cars ,machines etc ....You were born (created) ,after that you learned that things can also be created ,it is a process inside that big circle you live in.Your brain and mind only function in that circle ,but outside that circle you have no more understanding.
So simply ,if we imagine that a God can be created (never ending circle) we are applying those laws to outside that circle.
Whatever is there outside that circle ,we cannot grasp.So when God says that we are creatures who were created and he was neither created nor is there anything like him ,there is no need to think about that anymore ,because you will not reach anything.
If this world as we know it is too perfect to be created out of 'randomness' then what's there not to say that something created a perfect god?
So if there is a god above the god (astaghfurallah)who send down the books telling us that he created us and there is no power other than him ,where is the "higher" god who created god ,where are his books ?
God said that he is the only power ,no ther "god" has replied to him and said no I am greater ,dont lie ,lets fight.
In the Quran Allah witnesses that there is no other god than him ,not only muslims witness that there is no other god than him ,Allah himself takes witness that there is no other God than him.Where are the other "Gods" to refute him ?
Consider it to be like this : There is a big circle (the universes) and you live inside that circle.Inside that circle you have learned that some things can be created ,for example buildings ,cars ,machines etc ....You were born (created) ,after that you learned that things can also be created ,it is a process inside that big circle you live in.Your brain and mind only function in that circle ,but outside that circle you have no more understanding.
So simply ,if we imagine that a God can be created (never ending circle) we are applying those laws to outside that circle.
Whatever is there outside that circle ,we cannot grasp.So when God says that we are creatures who were created and he was neither created nor is there anything like him ,there is no need to think about that anymore ,because you will not reach anything.
If this world as we know it is too perfect to be created out of 'randomness' then what's there not to say that something created a perfect god?
So if there is a god above the god (astaghfurallah)who send down the books telling us that he created us and there is no power other than him ,where is the "higher" god who created god ,where are his books ?
God said that he is the only power ,no ther "god" has replied to him and said no I am greater ,dont lie ,lets fight.
In the Quran Allah witnesses that there is no other god than him ,not only muslims witness that there is no other god than him ,Allah himself takes witness that there is no other God than him.Where are the other "Gods" to refute him ?
Re: Who created allah?
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
So, this verse is essentially putting paid to your speculation as the practical application of this verse's logic is that there can be no first cause other than Him. Imaginations and mind cannot grasp this concept, just as our minds cannot grasp the concept of infinity as this short 5-minute animated YouTube video shows in terms of a mathematical equation to which I've hyperlinked you. Yet Allah is an Infinite or Eternal Being, that is, Always Existing.
Allah says in the Qur'an (112:4) also, “And there is none like unto Him.” So, in this, Allah is essentially saying that any time anything is captured in a finite being's mind as like or resembling Allah, then that is not Him simply. Because Allah is beyond comparison, however much our imaginations may conjure something. This, by extension, is therefore also able to put paid to then any questions trying to understand limits of Allah's abilities/capabilities because any question then becomes our projection of something onto Him.
Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
Qur'an (57:3) already provided you and entire humanity as to this question: “He is the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden, and He is the Knower of all things.”
So, this verse is essentially putting paid to your speculation as the practical application of this verse's logic is that there can be no first cause other than Him. Imaginations and mind cannot grasp this concept, just as our minds cannot grasp the concept of infinity as this short 5-minute animated YouTube video shows in terms of a mathematical equation to which I've hyperlinked you. Yet Allah is an Infinite or Eternal Being, that is, Always Existing.
Allah says in the Qur'an (112:4) also, “And there is none like unto Him.” So, in this, Allah is essentially saying that any time anything is captured in a finite being's mind as like or resembling Allah, then that is not Him simply. Because Allah is beyond comparison, however much our imaginations may conjure something. This, by extension, is therefore also able to put paid to then any questions trying to understand limits of Allah's abilities/capabilities because any question then becomes our projection of something onto Him.
Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie
Re: Who created allah?
This is one of the logical fallacious questions asked by atheists. If Allah needed to be created by something else He would not be "Allah". Allah is the One who creates but doesnt require to be created.
This is one of the logical fallacious questions asked by atheists. If Allah needed to be created by something else He would not be "Allah". Allah is the One who creates but doesnt require to be created.
Re: Who created allah?
As the word you ask says who Created ?
Does it make sense the Creator has a Creator ?
Creator and the Creations are just opposites or antonyms, so the Creator does not have a Creator, So that's why he is called the Creator.
Sura http://legacy.quran.com/112 proves the characteristics of that The Unique, The Only One - The Creator
IOW only the Creator can pass all the 5 conditions here clear cut.
As the word you ask says who Created ?
Does it make sense the Creator has a Creator ?
Creator and the Creations are just opposites or antonyms, so the Creator does not have a Creator, So that's why he is called the Creator.
Sura http://legacy.quran.com/112 proves the characteristics of that The Unique, The Only One - The Creator
IOW only the Creator can pass all the 5 conditions here clear cut.
Re: Who created allah?
God is free of need and eternal. Ponder upon ayatul Kursi. Allah creates out of nothing. Do you know of anyone who can create out of nothing?
"Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.
God is free of need and eternal. Ponder upon ayatul Kursi. Allah creates out of nothing. Do you know of anyone who can create out of nothing?
"Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, The Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him Nor Sleep. His are all things In the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede In His presence except As he permitteth? He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth. His throne doth extend Over the heavens And on earth, and He feeleth No fatigue in guarding And preserving them, For He is the Most High. The Supreme (in glory)."
Say: He is Allah, the One!
Allah, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him.
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Re: Who created allah?
Allah is beyond our imagination.
And the answer to such Stupid question is Quran.
Can a man produce a book like it?
A book with such wisdom,which is manifested to the ones who are sincere and critical,and humble and not proud when they see the truth.
This is the most Irrational Question I have heard and read.
Allah is beyond our imagination.
And the answer to such Stupid question is Quran.
Can a man produce a book like it?
A book with such wisdom,which is manifested to the ones who are sincere and critical,and humble and not proud when they see the truth.
Re: Who created allah?
Almost as stupid as believing that muhammed flew on a horse to heaven or him splitting the moon?
It was a legit question but is it also
Almost as stupid as believing that muhammed flew on a horse to heaven or him splitting the moon?
Re: Who created allah?
You do not believe in it because you cannot see it. Learn what gayb is. ok?
Gayb is beyong human comprehension.
We are just humans. Our intelligence is restricted. Trying to understand gayb is damaging for us because we are not that smart.
You do not believe in it because you cannot see it. Learn what gayb is. ok?
Gayb is beyong human comprehension. We are just humans. Our intelligence is restricted. Trying to understand gayb is damaging for us because we are not that smart.
Re: Who created allah?
:bism: Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
Certainly a great many beliefs that seem stupid to mankind is based on the fact that spiritual world is for people unseen and thereby not available for easy perusal of just any human being. Having said that, once you understand that (a) a higher power exists, (b) no limits can be said to apply to abilities/capabilities of that higher power, and that (c) that higher power sent from among human beings messengers and prophets, then it will become easier for you to accept that that same higher power can give Prophet Isa (Jesus) (peace be upon him) the power to speak as a newborn baby to exonerate his mother from others' calumny, heal the leper, blind, and the lame, then that same higher power can give the power to Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) to split the moon and honor this prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) with closeness and a meeting in the Heavens on a winged horse.
Allah gives even an example in the Qur'an when an old and barren couple ask a similar question on a seeming question of impossibility: “It is easy for Me. Certainly I have created you before, when you had been nothing!” Similarly, what, after all, is easier in your mind on the basis of logic? To create something from nothing? Or to imbue that something that's already been created from nothing with special powers?
Finally, even if you perceive someone to be rude or offensive in their response, I advise you to despite that response employ etiquette in your own answers or questions because certainly you are on an Islamic board and we expect you to honor yourself and us with language that befits that truth.
Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie
:bism: Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
Certainly a great many beliefs that seem stupid to mankind is based on the fact that spiritual world is for people unseen and thereby not available for easy perusal of just any human being. Having said that, once you understand that (a) a higher power exists, (b) no limits can be said to apply to abilities/capabilities of that higher power, and that (c) that higher power sent from among human beings messengers and prophets, then it will become easier for you to accept that that same higher power can give Prophet Isa (Jesus) (peace be upon him) the power to speak as a newborn baby to exonerate his mother from others' calumny, heal the leper, blind, and the lame, then that same higher power can give the power to Prophet Muhammad :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) to split the moon and honor this prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) with closeness and a meeting in the Heavens on a winged horse.
Allah gives even an example in the Qur'an when an old and barren couple ask a similar question on a seeming question of impossibility: “It is easy for Me. Certainly I have created you before, when you had been nothing!” Similarly, what, after all, is easier in your mind on the basis of logic? To create something from nothing? Or to imbue that something that's already been created from nothing with special powers?
Finally, even if you perceive someone to be rude or offensive in their response, I advise you to despite that response employ etiquette in your own answers or questions because certainly you are on an Islamic board and we expect you to honor yourself and us with language that befits that truth.
Sincere Regards & Best Wishes, :statisfie
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Re: Who created allah?
It wasn't a legit question because you've already decided what you believe anyway, regardless what people say on the forum. Never mind the moon splitting, you need to grasp the concept of miracles first before you can state what is and isn't stupid.
Furthermore You had many replies, yet you picked on the one that was offensive - shows exactly what your here for.
It wasn't a legit question because you've already decided what you believe anyway, regardless what people say on the forum. Never mind the moon splitting, you need to grasp the concept of miracles first before you can state what is and isn't stupid.
Furthermore You had many replies, yet you picked on the one that was offensive - shows exactly what your here for
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Re: Who created allah?
If you read Quran you find that Allah Almighty is not created (112:3). If you are created that means that you are inside the timeline, but it is He who created time and timeline, I think he is not inside the timeline. All those questions come out because you are trying to put God in the same law of nature that you live in. You born, you will die, you have time and other dimensions. But you cannot apply it to God, He is beyond this.
And Allah knows best.
If you read Quran you find that Allah Almighty is not created (112:3). If you are created that means that you are inside the timeline, but it is He who created time and timeline, I think he is not inside the timeline. All those questions come out because you are trying to put God in the same law of nature that you live in. You born, you will die, you have time and other dimensions. But you cannot apply it to God, He is beyond this.
And Allah knows best.
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Re: Who created allah?
So this is your reply after many Muslims here have you your answer?
Look my friend, the Muslims in this thread have been repeating to you over and over again the answer to your question, I don't think I need to recap. I've seen your thread titles like "I hate Islam" for example and I'm not sure weather your a troll or your actually here to find some answers. I mean when you receive clear cut answers and you answer in this manner and continue to post these threads one may ask. Wear you serious on actually finding an answer to your questions or are you just trying to start some kind of argument.
I get the feeling that you many not even bother to read the replies, watch suggested videos or see honestly for yourself. Open your senses and your mind and actually try to contemplate what we're trying to tell you. All we wish for you is the good of turning to the truth which is why we take the time to earnestly answer your questions and misconceptions. I don't even think you'll reply to this anyways but here's a short video that answers your question. Please watch all the way to the end to get the full message.
https://youtu.be/UxGj8zdtvSM
So this is your reply after many Muslims here have you your answer?
Look my friend, the Muslims in this thread have been repeating to you over and over again the answer to your question, I don't think I need to recap. I've seen your thread titles like "I hate Islam" for example and I'm not sure weather your a troll or your actually here to find some answers. I mean when you receive clear cut answers and you answer in this manner and continue to post these threads one may ask. Wear you serious on actually finding an answer to your questions or are you just trying to start some kind of argument.
I get the feeling that you many not even bother to read the replies, watch suggested videos or see honestly for yourself. Open your senses and your mind and actually try to contemplate what we're trying to tell you. All we wish for you is the good of turning to the truth which is why we take the time to earnestly answer your questions and misconceptions. I don't even think you'll reply to this anyways but here's a short video that answers your question. Please watch all the way to the end to get the full message.
https://youtu.be/UxGj8zdtvSM
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Re: Who created allah?
Greetings and peace be with you Khanali12;
We can create planes, helicopters and space ships, so it would be stupid to believe that Allah is incapable of creating a winged horse.
Something had no beginning, or something did not come from anything, both these concepts defy man's limited intelligence. I doubt that our scientists will ever understand. God the creator of all that is seen and unseen is the best explanation.
In the spirit of searching for God,
Eric
Greetings and peace be with you Khanali12;
We can create planes, helicopters and space ships, so it would be stupid to believe that Allah is incapable of creating a winged horse.
Something had no beginning, or something did not come from anything, both these concepts defy man's limited intelligence. I doubt that our scientists will ever understand. God the creator of all that is seen and unseen is the best explanation.
In the spirit of searching for God,
Eric
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Re: Who created allah?
Khanali12 ,you must take some important points into consideration.
For example ,NASA scientists tell you that there exists so and so outside our galaxy.You haven't seen anything far above ,but do you or we ,ever question what they say ? Or Quantum physicians tell you that the atom looks like our planet system ,but have you ever seen an atom or an electron ? There are many many things you havent seen but we all believe in them.
Science cannot even explain to you the real nature of light ,how will a mind ever be able to understand the nature of God ,we simply cannot ,and I dont think we will ever be able to ,not even in the afterlife ,so we must simply accept what God said about himself.That's all we need to know about him.
We humans believe that we even understand the simplest things in this world ,but the reality is that we dont even fully understand the simplest things.
We barely know 4% of the universe ,the rest is unknown.
Remember one thing : Because you exist in time and space which God created ,and he is not bound to time and space ,dont even try to think further ,because before time and space ,you and me and everyone were non-existent ,and only at a certain point you started to exist ,so you wont be able to think about the nature of what is behind your non-existence before you were created.
Khanali12 ,you must take some important points into consideration.
For example ,NASA scientists tell you that there exists so and so outside our galaxy.You haven't seen anything far above ,but do you or we ,ever question what they say ? Or Quantum physicians tell you that the atom looks like our planet system ,but have you ever seen an atom or an electron ? There are many many things you havent seen but we all believe in them.
Science cannot even explain to you the real nature of light ,how will a mind ever be able to understand the nature of God ,we simply cannot ,and I dont think we will ever be able to ,not even in the afterlife ,so we must simply accept what God said about himself.That's all we need to know about him.
We humans believe that we even understand the simplest things in this world ,but the reality is that we dont even fully understand the simplest things.
We barely know 4% of the universe ,the rest is unknown.
Remember one thing : Because you exist in time and space which God created ,and he is not bound to time and space ,dont even try to think further ,because before time and space ,you and me and everyone were non-existent ,and only at a certain point you started to exist ,so you wont be able to think about the nature of what is behind your non-existence before you were created.
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Re: Who created allah?
You cannot compare your question with those two miracles.
The reason is this.
The Pagans of Makkah also did not believe that The Prophet went to the heavens.
But if a religion is from God,
You expect it to give you answers.
Meaning.
That if a man came to you and said that he flew to the heavens,
Would you believe him?
No.
So if a religion is from God,
It must contain Proofs that it did indeed happen.
In the case of The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his companions and family) going to the Heavens,
The Prophet himself Gave the evidence and proof to the Pagans.
The Proof was.
That he saw a caravan in the air and he told the pagans the details of that caravan.
And when it came to Makkah,
The Prophet was proved to be right.
He saw it when he was at high altitude and he mentioned it.
If he had had fore knowledge of that caravan,
The Pagans would have not believed in him and would have questioned him.
They did not.
They knew he was right.
The Pagans admitted his miracle
But they did not believe in him.
Just like the Christians who ran away when the challange to curse the liar was revealed in Surah Al-Imran.
The example is not the same.
You cannot compare your question with those two miracles.
The reason is this.
The Pagans of Makkah also did not believe that The Prophet went to the heavens.
But if a religion is from God,
You expect it to give you answers.
Meaning.
That if a man came to you and said that he flew to the heavens,
Would you believe him?
No.
So if a religion is from God,
It must contain Proofs that it did indeed happen.
In the case of The Prophet(Peace be upon him and his companions and family) going to the Heavens,
The Prophet himself Gave the evidence and proof to the Pagans.
The Proof was.
That he saw a caravan in the air and he told the pagans the details of that caravan.
And when it came to Makkah,
The Prophet was proved to be right.
He saw it when he was at high altitude and he mentioned it.
If he had had fore knowledge of that caravan,
The Pagans would have not believed in him and would have questioned him.
They did not.
They knew he was right.
The Pagans admitted his miracle
But they did not believe in him.
Just like the Christians who ran away when the challange to curse the liar was revealed in Surah Al-Imran.
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Re: Who created allah?
Listen.
Do not use Science as a judge.
It will throw you into a pit of arrogance.
Listen.
Do not use Science as a judge.
It will throw you into a pit of arrogance.