I'm an agnostic now

[BlackSeed]

Yes. Because there's alot of stuff in here.

Whatever it is we are with you brother, non of us are perfect

After reading the entire thread i will get back to you Insha-Allah

 

[sister herb]

unfortunately not, i will go through the full thread when i return home and see whats happening here :hmm:

You better start reading from the beginning:

http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-...-christianity-urgent.html?highlight=christian

That´s a long story...

 

[popsthebuilder]

You better start reading from the beginning:

http://www.islamicboard.com/advice-...-christianity-urgent.html?highlight=christian

That´s a long story...

And note that specific parts that did not align with the general consensus were removed, and/or moved.

Peace

 

[Umm Malik]

I am not interested in The Quran. It doesn't make me feel anything. Not happiness nor sadness. Even music does that.

no ... if i hear music when i be sad it make more sadness
and if i hear it when i happy it make me more happy
but the quran make me satisfied when i sad and more happy if i am happy
when i'm sad and hear :
( 68 ) يَا عِبَادِ لَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْكُمُ الْيَوْمَ وَلَا أَنتُمْ تَحْزَنُونَ
( 69 ) الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِآيَاتِنَا وَكَانُوا مُسْلِمِينَ
( 70 ) ادْخُلُوا الْجَنَّةَ أَنتُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ تُحْبَرُونَ
( 71 ) يُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِصِحَافٍ مِّن ذَهَبٍ وَأَكْوَابٍ ۖ وَفِيهَا مَا تَشْتَهِيهِ الْأَنفُسُ وَتَلَذُّ الْأَعْيُنُ ۖ وَأَنتُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
( 72 ) وَتِلْكَ الْجَنَّةُ الَّتِي أُورِثْتُمُوهَا بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

[To whom Allah will say], "O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day, nor will you grieve,
( 69 ) [You] who believed in Our verses and were Muslims.
( 70 ) Enter Paradise, you and your kinds, delighted."
( 71 ) Circulated among them will be plates and vessels of gold. And therein is whatever the souls desire and [what] delights the eyes, and you will abide therein eternally.
( 72 ) And that is Paradise which you are made to inherit for what you used to do.

and when i make sins i hear ( 53 ) ۞ قُلْ يَا عِبَادِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا مِن رَّحْمَةِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ الذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ

( 53 ) Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

if i have problem ... i read الزمر - الآية 10قُلْ يَا عِبَادِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمْ ۚ لِلَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا فِي هَٰذِهِ الدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةٌ ۗ وَأَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَاسِعَةٌ ۗ إِنَّمَا يُوَفَّى الصَّابِرُونَ أَجْرَهُم بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ
( 10 ) Say, "O My servants who have believed, fear your Lord. For those who do good in this world is good, and the earth of Allah is spacious. Indeed, the patient will be given their reward without account."


i found in it .... each thing i need
but if you don't feel any thing ... i just ask allah to guide you to the best .. wherever it .... even i know that is in the coran
may allah be with you and give you his help indeed : And it is He who sends down the rain after they had despised and spreads His mercy. And He is the Protector, the Praiseworthy.
if you believe in one god... just one thing i can help you with is to tell you about this remembering ( dhikr ) la ilaha illa allah )
this dhikr will help you to see the signs and you may belive one day in the coran and the prophet muhammad
you have part ... and it is the big part
so one day you will have the rest inshaalllah
wish to can help you
but i just can ask allah to guide you and give you his mercy
thank you ....

 

[The-Deist]

no ... if i hear music when i be sad it make more sadness
and if i hear it when i happy it make me more happy
but the quran make me satisfied when i sad and more happy if i am happy
when i'm sad and hear :
( 68 ) يَا عِبَادِ لَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْكُمُ الْيَوْمَ وَلَا أَنتُمْ تَحْزَنُونَ
( 69 ) الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِآيَاتِنَا وَكَانُوا مُسْلِمِينَ
( 70 ) ادْخُلُوا الْجَنَّةَ أَنتُمْ وَأَزْوَاجُكُمْ تُحْبَرُونَ
( 71 ) يُطَافُ عَلَيْهِم بِصِحَافٍ مِّن ذَهَبٍ وَأَكْوَابٍ ۖ وَفِيهَا مَا تَشْتَهِيهِ الْأَنفُسُ وَتَلَذُّ الْأَعْيُنُ ۖ وَأَنتُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
( 72 ) وَتِلْكَ الْجَنَّةُ الَّتِي أُورِثْتُمُوهَا بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ

[To whom Allah will say], "O My servants, no fear will there be concerning you this Day, nor will you grieve,
( 69 ) [You] who believed in Our verses and were Muslims.
( 70 ) Enter Paradise, you and your kinds, delighted."
( 71 ) Circulated among them will be plates and vessels of gold. And therein is whatever the souls desire and [what] delights the eyes, and you will abide therein eternally.
( 72 ) And that is Paradise which you are made to inherit for what you used to do.

and when i make sins i hear ( 53 ) ۞ قُلْ يَا عِبَادِيَ الَّذِينَ أَسْرَفُوا عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِهِمْ لَا تَقْنَطُوا مِن رَّحْمَةِ اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَغْفِرُ الذُّنُوبَ جَمِيعًا ۚ إِنَّهُ هُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ

( 53 ) Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

if i have problem ... i read الزمر - الآية 10قُلْ يَا عِبَادِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمْ ۚ لِلَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا فِي هَٰذِهِ الدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةٌ ۗ وَأَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَاسِعَةٌ ۗ إِنَّمَا يُوَفَّى الصَّابِرُونَ أَجْرَهُم بِغَيْرِ حِسَابٍ
( 10 ) Say, "O My servants who have believed, fear your Lord. For those who do good in this world is good, and the earth of Allah is spacious. Indeed, the patient will be given their reward without account."


i found in it .... each thing i need
but if you don't feel any thing ... i just ask allah to guide you to the best .. wherever it .... even i know that is in the coran
may allah be with you and give you his help indeed : And it is He who sends down the rain after they had despised and spreads His mercy. And He is the Protector, the Praiseworthy.
if you believe in one god... just one thing i can help you with is to tell you about this remembering ( dhikr ) la ilaha illa allah )
this dhikr will help you to see the signs and you may belive one day in the coran and the prophet muhammad
you have part ... and it is the big part
so one day you will have the rest inshaalllah
wish to can help you
but i just can ask allah to guide you and give you his mercy
thank you ....

People are different. For me music is a great part of my life since childhood. Do you know how to speak Darija?

 

[The-Deist]

I will leave the forum after this thread has finished

 

[Insaanah]

May I ask why? Please do stick around.

 

[The-Deist]

May I ask why? Please do stick around.

I feel like it's distracting me from real life. And what do I have to contribute

 

[sister herb]

Living in the real life is a good idea. You need time think and to find yourself. But also we would like to hear your news sometimes.

Take your time, brother. We are here waiting you when you return at some day.

 

[The-Deist]

Living in the real life is a good idea. You need time think and to find yourself. But also we would like to hear your news sometimes.

Take your time, brother. We are here waiting you when you return at some day.

Social media

 

[The-Deist]

Also there's people I know here. If they want to they can update.

 

[Umm Abed]

I will leave the forum after this thread has finished

No dont leave the forum please do stay on here.

 

[The-Deist]

No dont leave the forum please do stay on here.

Why not?

 

[Umm Abed]

Why not?

There are so much things we can learn on here as well as from each other.

 

[The-Deist]

There are so much things we can learn on here as well as from each other.

Such as?

 

[Umm Abed]

Such as?

Too many to mention. Everything, in general.

You actually have good mannerisms..

 

[Muhammad]

StrivingforDeen,

The Quran doesn't move me

The Qur'an is among the greatest evidences for the truth of Islam. It deserves to be read and researched in detail as it is full of evidences and signs. If you truly want to benefit from the Qur’an, your heart must be attentive and alert when reciting it or listening to it. Listen to it carefully with presence of mind, paying attention to it as if Allah Himself was speaking to you directly. Understand that this Qur’an is an address directed to you from Allah, Most High, upon the tongue of His Messenger .

Truly there is a reminder in this for anyone who has a heart, or who listens attentively with presence of mind.” [Qaf (50): 37]


Below are some of the reasons (summarised by Brother Ansar Al-'Adl) as to why the Qur'an is such a special Book. Apologies as some of the links are outdated although I have updated one.

1. The Power of the Qur'anic Message:

-it is universal, unrestricted by time and applicable to any nation/culture. The Qur'an is by far the most widely followed and acted-upon book in the world. As for the Bible, most Christians follow the Church over the Bible, and each denomination has its own bible anyway. The fact that there is no other book in the world that forms the constitution of the lives of billions of followers is itself a sign.
-it is practical and logical, it can be established practically in society and is logically able to address the fundamental questions relating to all aspects of our universe.
-it is comprehensive, addressing all fundamental sectors of human life, be it spritual, physical, mental, social/societal, politcal, environmental, economic, etc.
-it is natural, in concordance with a person's nature and what they feel deep inside to be the truth.
-it is clear and consistent, free of the changes in worldview and understanding that dominate the works of human beings.
-it is deep, having provoked thousands upon thousands of volumes of exegesis, expounding upon its meaning and revealing fascinating details that many people otherwise miss in their reading of the Qur'an.
​

2. The Power of the Qur'anic Style:

-it is Interactive, the text seems alive as it responds to the very questions that arise in one's mind at that moment. It speaks to the reader and delivers specific yet universal advice.
-it is Inerrant, free from contradictons and discrepancies, or other errors that would normally be found in the works of human beings.
-it is Memorizable; the Qur'an is the only book in the world which is continuously being memorized by millions of people and recited daily. No other book has been committed to memory by so many followers, as though it fits in one's mind as a key in a lock.
-its Language, the Qur'anic arabic is a stunning miracle in itself, its style is powerful and its recitation is melodious. More info here.
​

3. The Power of the Qur'anic Text:

-it is Preserved, even after fourteen and a half centuries, the Qur'an is recited today exactly as it was first revealed. Thus it was free of the tampering that befell other religious scriptures.
-its other Remarkable features; many Muslims find a striking concordance between many Qur'anic statements and established scientific truths, which could not have been known by any normal human being 14 centuries ago. (see here). Many Muslims have also found the Qur'anic perfection extends even to various mathematical miracles within the text (see here for discussion of word repetitions). As well, there are the Qur'anic Prophecies.
-its Authorship; the context in which the Qur'an was revealed leaves the reader with no other conclusion than the fact that it could only be the word of God.


​

Here are some more links which go into detail on the various aspects. There are many more, but hopefully this will give you an introduction.

Miracles in general
http://www.whyislam.org/submission/t...-of-the-quran/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/
http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/13...racle-god.html
The Miracle and the Challenge of the Qur'an

Challenge of the Qur'an:
The Challenge of the Qur'an
http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...ml#post1281044
http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/32986-challenge.html

Literary excellence:
http://www.islam21c.com/texts/203-an...e-of-the-quran
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/index.html

Preservation
http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...tml#post785930
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...n-changed.html

Prophecies
The amazing Quran - Prophecy of Romans
History Proves the Accuracy of the Qur'an
http://www.islamicboard.com/discover...ut-failed.html

Scientific miracles
http://www.islamreligion.com/category/33/
http://www.islamicboard.com/health-s...les-quran.html
Exploring Islam
http://islampapers.com/embryology-in-the-quran/

What makes you believe in Muhammed?

This is another great evidence for the truth of Islam. Again, it deserves a sincere study in detail and you will find reason after reason to believe.

Let us consider this. If the Prophet was not a true Prophet, that would mean he was a liar. But we find that his life points to the contrary:

- Is it possible for a liar to claim for a period of 23 years with unwavering certitude that he is a prophet like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, that there will be no more prophets after him, and that the scripture he has been sent with will remain his lasting miracle till the end of time? A liar will falter sometimes, perhaps with a friend, maybe with his family members, somewhere he will make a mistake. His message, delivered over two decades, will contradict itself sometimes. But what we see in reality is that the scripture he brought declares freedom from internal inconsistencies, his message remained consistent throughout his mission, and even in the midst of a battle, he proclaimed his prophethood!

- His life story is a preserved book open for everyone to read. Before Islam, he was well-known to his own people to be trustworthy and reliable, an honest man, a person of integrity, who did not lie. It was due to this reason they named him "Al-Ameen", or "The Trustworthy" He was strongly opposed to lying and warned against it. Is it possible for him to tell a consistent lie for 23 years, a lie so monstrous that it would make him a social outcast, when he was never known to have lied even once about anything? It’s simply against the psychology of liars.

- If one was to ask why a person would make claim to prophethood and lie, their answer might be one of two:
​

1) Fame, glory, wealth and status.
2) Moral progress.​

If we were to say that Muhammad claimed prophethood for fame glory and status, we would see that what actually occurred was the exact opposite. Muhammad , before his claim to Prophethood, enjoyed a high status in all aspects. He was of the most noble of tribes, of the most noble of families, and was known for his truthfulness. After his claim, he became a social outcast. For 13 years in Makkah, he and his followers faced excruciating torture, which led to the death of some of his followers, ridicule, sanctioning, and excommunication from society.

- There were many other ways which a person could gain fame in the society of that time, mainly from valor, and poetry. If Muhammad had made the claim that he himself authored the Quran, that would have been enough for his name and poetry to be engraved in gold and hung inside the Ka’bah for eternity, people from all over the world hallowing him. Rather, he proclaimed that he was not the author of this revelation, and that it was from the One high above, causing him to be ridiculed in his time until ours.

- The Prophet was the husband of a wealthy tradeswoman, and he enjoyed the comforts of life available to him at his time. But after his claim of prophethood, he became of the poorest of people. Days passed without stove fire being lit in his house, and at one time, hunger drove him to the mosque in hope of some provision. The leaders of Makkah in his time offered him the riches of the world in order for him to leave his message. As a response to their offer, he recited the verses of the Quran..

- If one were to say that Muhammad lied and claimed prophethood in order to bring moral and religious reform to a society ridden with ills, this argument is futile in itself, for how can one bring moral reform through a lie. If Muhammad was so keen to uphold and preach upright morals and worship of One God, then could he have lied himself in doing so? If we say that this is not possible, the only answer is that he was speaking the truth.​

More info here: http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/169/viewall/muhammad-s-claim-to-prophethood/


These are just some points to get you thinking. What this shows is that by adopting a logical approach to Islam, you will be left with no other choice than to accept it is the truth. Islam is a religion of clarity and appeals to the human intellect and natural inclination (fitrah). So you need to do your part by researching with an open mind. Nobody is saying you must follow blindly.

Let us know if you have any questions. May Allaah guide you, Aameen.

 

[The-Deist]

Too many to mention. Everything, in general.

You actually have good mannerisms..

Thank you

I honestly want to reduce time online. Especially considering just about everyone of you except one are people I haven't seen live.

 

[Umm Abed]

Thank you

I honestly want to reduce time online. Especially considering just about everyone of you except one are people I haven't seen live.

Dont worry about spending too much time on here, you'r most welcome to. Who knows, you may stumble upon some friends from here in real life.

 

[The-Deist]

I already know one person in real life from here. There ain't no one else here.

And if there actually was another one. I can just talk to them in person. Not with a keyboard.