You seem to be talking from emotion aren't you?
I'm an agnostic now
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Ignore the ridicule, If you are truly seeking you will inshallah find it. It may seem you will never find the answer but inshallah so long as you keep asking with humility you will find the truth. Took me decade, but then again this was before the internet.
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Of course it doesn't affect me. I am not sure if Scimi has realised it.
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If you believe in One God, and you believe in the Prophets, then the foundation is all there. I'm not sure if you believe in Prophet Muhammad :saws: as a prophet and messenger and the last one. And whether you believe the Qur'an is a scripture sent by God to guide mankind. If you don't, please let us know, and we can try and explain. Perhaps you do, but you're expecting to feel some sort of emotional wave come over you, or some sign to happen, and then you can say, wow, this is it. I think it doesn't usually happen like that. The signs are all around...
Don't lose or reject Islam on the basis of a feeling or lack of a feeling. If you go to school, some days you don't feel like it. But you know, that it's for your own betterment. You learn things, knowledge and discipline, that will enable you to understand the world in a small way, and to give you a foundation to make something of yourself. Likewise, Islam is for your own benefit.
Say, "O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the good of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray to the detriment of it.." (10:108 part)
Don't lose or reject Islam on the basis of a feeling or lack of a feeling. If you go to school, some days you don't feel like it. But you know, that it's for your own betterment. You learn things, knowledge and discipline, that will enable you to understand the world in a small way, and to give you a foundation to make something of yourself. Likewise, Islam is for your own benefit.
Say, "O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the good of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray to the detriment of it.." (10:108 part)
i just open the book of allah to write a versses to you ... and my eyes see this ayah in this page ... so it may be a massage to you from allah
because you said you didn't have a mushaf . so i do it to as i did to myself one day ...
this is the translation of this ayat ...
( 1 ) Ha, Meem.
( 2 ) The revelation of the Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
( 3 ) Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers.
( 4 ) And in the creation of yourselves and what He disperses of moving creatures are signs for people who are certain [in faith].
( 5 ) And [in] the alternation of night and day and [in] what Allah sends down from the sky of provision and gives life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and [in His] directing of the winds are signs for a people who reason.
( 6 ) These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
( 7 ) Woe to every sinful liar
( 8 ) Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.
( 9 ) And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.
( 10 ) Before them is Hell, and what they had earned will not avail them at all nor what they had taken besides Allah as allies. And they will have a great punishment.
( 11 ) This [Qur'an] is guidance. And those who have disbelieved in the verses of their Lord will have a painful punishment of foul nature.
( 12 ) It is Allah who subjected to you the sea so that ships may sail upon it by His command and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful.
( 13 ) And He has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth - all from Him. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.
this is the next page to complete the context of the ayat
( 14 ) Say, [O Muhammad], to those who have believed that they [should] forgive those who expect not the days of Allah so that He may recompense a people for what they used to earn.
( 15 ) Whoever does a good deed - it is for himself; and whoever does evil - it is against the self. Then to your Lord you will be returned.
( 16 ) And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds.
( 17 ) And We gave them clear proofs of the matter [of religion]. And they did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. Indeed, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ.
( 18 ) Then We put you, [O Muhammad], on an ordained way concerning the matter [of religion]; so follow it and do not follow the inclinations of those who do not know.
( 19 ) Indeed, they will never avail you against Allah at all. And indeed, the wrongdoers are allies of one another; but Allah is the protector of the righteous.
( 20 ) This [Qur'an] is enlightenment for mankind and guidance and mercy for a people who are certain [in faith].
( 21 ) Or do those who commit evils think We will make them like those who have believed and done righteous deeds - [make them] equal in their life and their death? Evil is that which they judge.
( 22 ) And Allah created the heavens and earth in truth and so that every soul may be recompensed for what it has earned, and they will not be wronged.
please try to relies the massege from allah
(( We are most knowing of what they say, and you are not over them a tyrant. But remind by the Qur'an whoever fears My threat. ))
if you want to hear the surah and see the translating
may allah help you...
and guide you to the best .. amen
assalamo alaykoum wa rahmatu lahi wa barakatuhu
because you said you didn't have a mushaf . so i do it to as i did to myself one day ...
this is the translation of this ayat ...
( 1 ) Ha, Meem.
( 2 ) The revelation of the Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
( 3 ) Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers.
( 4 ) And in the creation of yourselves and what He disperses of moving creatures are signs for people who are certain [in faith].
( 5 ) And [in] the alternation of night and day and [in] what Allah sends down from the sky of provision and gives life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and [in His] directing of the winds are signs for a people who reason.
( 6 ) These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
( 7 ) Woe to every sinful liar
( 8 ) Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.
( 9 ) And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.
( 10 ) Before them is Hell, and what they had earned will not avail them at all nor what they had taken besides Allah as allies. And they will have a great punishment.
( 11 ) This [Qur'an] is guidance. And those who have disbelieved in the verses of their Lord will have a painful punishment of foul nature.
( 12 ) It is Allah who subjected to you the sea so that ships may sail upon it by His command and that you may seek of His bounty; and perhaps you will be grateful.
( 13 ) And He has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth - all from Him. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.
this is the next page to complete the context of the ayat
( 14 ) Say, [O Muhammad], to those who have believed that they [should] forgive those who expect not the days of Allah so that He may recompense a people for what they used to earn.
( 15 ) Whoever does a good deed - it is for himself; and whoever does evil - it is against the self. Then to your Lord you will be returned.
( 16 ) And We did certainly give the Children of Israel the Scripture and judgement and prophethood, and We provided them with good things and preferred them over the worlds.
( 17 ) And We gave them clear proofs of the matter [of religion]. And they did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. Indeed, your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ.
( 18 ) Then We put you, [O Muhammad], on an ordained way concerning the matter [of religion]; so follow it and do not follow the inclinations of those who do not know.
( 19 ) Indeed, they will never avail you against Allah at all. And indeed, the wrongdoers are allies of one another; but Allah is the protector of the righteous.
( 20 ) This [Qur'an] is enlightenment for mankind and guidance and mercy for a people who are certain [in faith].
( 21 ) Or do those who commit evils think We will make them like those who have believed and done righteous deeds - [make them] equal in their life and their death? Evil is that which they judge.
( 22 ) And Allah created the heavens and earth in truth and so that every soul may be recompensed for what it has earned, and they will not be wronged.
please try to relies the massege from allah
(( We are most knowing of what they say, and you are not over them a tyrant. But remind by the Qur'an whoever fears My threat. ))
if you want to hear the surah and see the translating
and guide you to the best .. amen
assalamo alaykoum wa rahmatu lahi wa barakatuhu
Hi StivingforDeen,
This is a starting point for those agnostic about religion.
Supposing you only know there is there is some God (since you have figured out that part) and no other information about who or what he is
Thus you are with no information of which God may be the true god.
Consider the Following Statements.
If I say Worship A who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
If I say Worship B who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship John, the man who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship the Sun, the Star who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
However if I say Worship the creator the universe, who is the true God. That is a true statement! Since you are specifying God as he who created the universe and not a particular object person.
That is the true God and to worship him is the true religion.
God is specified exactly this way in the Quran including Surah Kahf.
Point is Muhammad SWAS came and basically told us to worship that God. Look the the mulsim prayers and duas, they apply on the creator of the universe. If you mean Allah to mean the creator, then Subhan Allah, Alhamdolillah, Allah o Akbar, La ilaha illalah, La huwal walquwata illah billah. Surah Fatheha. You list them, they are all completely valid prayers for the creator.
Ironically, even if quran was not divinely revealed and Muhammad SWAS was not a prophet, The message of Muhammad SWAS is still the true religion and islam is still the true religion of the monotheistic God.
If you want to explore all those specific Gods A, B etc there is no proof for their being deity including Jesus.
You are left with Judaism and Islam which can claim to worship the creator of the universe.
You can get salvation in Judaism as long as you are adhering to Noahs Noachide Laws. You don’t have to be Jewish. Thus a muslim as a muslim can get salvation according to Judiasm even if islam wrong religion since you can within the parameters of the Noachide Laws as a muslim. However, you cannot get salvation as a jew if islam is the true religion. Thus following islam is logically the right choice even if you did not know it to be true as compared to Judaism.
Lastly and the most critical thing is explore monotheism of all the Abrahamic religions. You will find that the safest monthiesm(ie. Where you associate God in less ways that the others) is islam. As an example, if you say you have to believe in Quality A to belong exclusively to God according to religion A but not to others. Now if religion A is right and then followers of the other religions will become polytheists in that quality. If religion A is wrong and God does not demand exclusivity in that quality, the you could not call the follower of A polytheists, however you could call them ignorant or fools.
Its safer to be a fool than a polytheist.
Belief in Islam is the obvious choice for anyone who believes in God.
This is a starting point for those agnostic about religion.
Supposing you only know there is there is some God (since you have figured out that part) and no other information about who or what he is
Thus you are with no information of which God may be the true god.
Consider the Following Statements.
If I say Worship A who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
If I say Worship B who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship John, the man who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
if I say Worship the Sun, the Star who is the true god. This statement may or may not be true..
However if I say Worship the creator the universe, who is the true God. That is a true statement! Since you are specifying God as he who created the universe and not a particular object person.
That is the true God and to worship him is the true religion.
God is specified exactly this way in the Quran including Surah Kahf.
Point is Muhammad SWAS came and basically told us to worship that God. Look the the mulsim prayers and duas, they apply on the creator of the universe. If you mean Allah to mean the creator, then Subhan Allah, Alhamdolillah, Allah o Akbar, La ilaha illalah, La huwal walquwata illah billah. Surah Fatheha. You list them, they are all completely valid prayers for the creator.
Ironically, even if quran was not divinely revealed and Muhammad SWAS was not a prophet, The message of Muhammad SWAS is still the true religion and islam is still the true religion of the monotheistic God.
If you want to explore all those specific Gods A, B etc there is no proof for their being deity including Jesus.
You are left with Judaism and Islam which can claim to worship the creator of the universe.
You can get salvation in Judaism as long as you are adhering to Noahs Noachide Laws. You don’t have to be Jewish. Thus a muslim as a muslim can get salvation according to Judiasm even if islam wrong religion since you can within the parameters of the Noachide Laws as a muslim. However, you cannot get salvation as a jew if islam is the true religion. Thus following islam is logically the right choice even if you did not know it to be true as compared to Judaism.
Lastly and the most critical thing is explore monotheism of all the Abrahamic religions. You will find that the safest monthiesm(ie. Where you associate God in less ways that the others) is islam. As an example, if you say you have to believe in Quality A to belong exclusively to God according to religion A but not to others. Now if religion A is right and then followers of the other religions will become polytheists in that quality. If religion A is wrong and God does not demand exclusivity in that quality, the you could not call the follower of A polytheists, however you could call them ignorant or fools.
Its safer to be a fool than a polytheist.
Belief in Islam is the obvious choice for anyone who believes in God.
Please dont leave the forum, and know that Scimi has the best interest in mind for you he just wants you to realize your mistake.
Being on the forum is better than being lonely and lost out there.
Here you have company still.
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It's not possible for someone who knows about the path of Mohammad(SAW) to walk another to get close to Allah Most High. So your love for God is and will remain one way. Only ignorance is an excuse but i'm afraid you are not ignorants hence if you remain on your path you know what your judgement will be tragic as it maybe.
I can only hope you come to your senses before your last breath on Earth.
I can only hope you come to your senses before your last breath on Earth.
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Bro you never practiced enough to be sure, because a Muslim can apostate but a Mu'mins (True believers) never do. Had you practiced and remained patient maybe you would have had the proof you needed. But before even asking for proof how certain are you that even while you were a Muslim you were practicing Islam as you should have been?
It was Mukhtar Holland(RA) who reverted to Islam and upon reverting seeing the various devisions in Islam grew confused as to whether the specific path he walked was the right path to Allah Most High. He later saw a dream, a beatitude and Mohammad(SAW) was in it and all his doubt vanished. So proof isn't only acquired in the Physical realm but also the Metaphysical because the cognitions of the Soul and it's ability to infer is far greater.
It was Mukhtar Holland(RA) who reverted to Islam and upon reverting seeing the various devisions in Islam grew confused as to whether the specific path he walked was the right path to Allah Most High. He later saw a dream, a beatitude and Mohammad(SAW) was in it and all his doubt vanished. So proof isn't only acquired in the Physical realm but also the Metaphysical because the cognitions of the Soul and it's ability to infer is far greater.
StrivingForDeen,
I am trying to figure out what your thought process is and what your standard of proof is.
How are you sure there is a God? and how are you sure God is one?
I can understand a rational thinker not to understand or know the evidence to disbelieve in something. But I cannot understand how a rational thinker who would reject something to believe in something else without substantial proof of the new thing.
You mentioned you were a Muslim and then you became christian. I can understand you leaving islam not knowing the proof or appreciating it. However, I am curious on what basis you could consider Christianity to be the true religion at that point in your life. I can understand believing blindly. I can understand leaving a religion too. But I want to understand on what bases you reject something for another.
I ask this question to better understand your thought process.
One thing you must very careful about is mixing your likes and dislikes with truth and falsehood. You dont want to believe or disbelieve in something because you like or dislike it. I am curious did you go towards Christianity due to a likes/dislikes at that stage?
I am trying to figure out what your thought process is and what your standard of proof is.
How are you sure there is a God? and how are you sure God is one?
I can understand a rational thinker not to understand or know the evidence to disbelieve in something. But I cannot understand how a rational thinker who would reject something to believe in something else without substantial proof of the new thing.
You mentioned you were a Muslim and then you became christian. I can understand you leaving islam not knowing the proof or appreciating it. However, I am curious on what basis you could consider Christianity to be the true religion at that point in your life. I can understand believing blindly. I can understand leaving a religion too. But I want to understand on what bases you reject something for another.
I ask this question to better understand your thought process.
One thing you must very careful about is mixing your likes and dislikes with truth and falsehood. You dont want to believe or disbelieve in something because you like or dislike it. I am curious did you go towards Christianity due to a likes/dislikes at that stage?
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If you believe in God, do you believe that He is Most Just?
If so, would not part of His Justice be, that He lets humans know which way of life is better for them, and which way of life, which beliefs, way of worship etc, is acceptable to Him, rather than leaving them fumbling in the dark, guessing, trying to work it out?
And, if you don't agree He's Most Just, what makes you conclude that?
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