I’m boudhist, christian, muslim and jewish too

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Ramadhan said:


This goes to show you have not actually met a muslima in real life. Actually, a good muslima do not really care what kaafirun, musrykin, and munafiqun say and think about her, she only cares whether Allah is pleased with her. A good muslima would only raise hell if her rights (of wearing hijab) is being violated and infringed by such kaafirun, musrykin, and munafiqun.
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Yes, read what I wrote again. I said just what you are saying. Though yes, I have only met a few muslimas in real life (mostly as clients).
 
Sigh. The reason it tends to get the atheist's goat when you tell them atheism is a belief system is because it's not. Neither is theism. They are opinions on a single topic. 'System' implies multiple beliefs organized in some way.

Atheists HAVE belief systems, which tend to have atheism as a feature; just as theists have belief systems with theism as a feature...but not necessarily. A person can believe there is a deity without identifying with any specific religion: they can be theists without having a religious belief system.

The problem isn't that atheists don't have belief systems, it's that you're mis-identifying atheism as the system, when the most it can be is one feature of a belief system. Raellians and communists and humanists are all (or tend to be, at least) atheists, but their belief systems don't resemble each other in any significant way.

Statistically it's been shown that atheists are more likely than the general public to be spelling and grammar Nazis. Yes, you can get us going by saying atheism is a belief system. You can also get us going by misspelling Hitler repeatedly. It's not because we're 'defending atheism'. We're defending definitions. Because we're geeks like that.

I wonder if the brain wiring that makes one more likely to be concerned with spelling and grammar also make one more likely to leave their religion? Hmm.

Also, good luck with the song, Mondy!
 
It has long been my theory that religious folks insist on "atheism" being a "religion" or "belief system" because that gives them more to attack than it just being a lack of belief or disbelief in God(s). It lets them do their thing against evolution, nihilism, etc, if they can somehow include those as part of atheism (which of course they are not).
 
Most atheists I know are humanists, even if they don't describe themselves as such. Also rational empiricists, to the best of their ability. We have belief systems that can be attacked, but we don't conveniently all have the same belief system. When people pull the 'communists killed a lot of people card', my first thought is 'I'm not a communist, why are you telling me?' It would be like me blaming Christians for Aztec human sacrifice because they're theists, too.
 
Mister Agenda said:
Sigh. The reason it tends to get the atheist's goat when you tell them atheism is a belief system is because it's not. Neither is theism. They are opinions on a single topic. 'System' implies multiple beliefs organized in some way. Atheists HAVE belief systems, which tend to have atheism as a feature; just as theists have belief systems with theism as a feature...but not necessarily. A person can believe there is a deity without identifying with any specific religion: they can be theists without having a religious belief system. The problem isn't that atheists don't have belief systems, it's that you're mis-identifying atheism as the system, when the most it can be is one feature of a belief system. Raellians and communists and humanists are all (or tend to be, at least) atheists, but their belief systems don't resemble each other in any significant way.
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I submit this as evidence of my previous assertion :)

Mister Agenda said:
Statistically it's been shown that atheists are more likely than the general public to be spelling and grammar Nazis.
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Really? I never knew this. Care to share with us those statistics? Also, which general public?
Sorry for being too detailed and ask for evidence.

I wonder if the brain wiring that makes one more likely to be concerned with details, facts and evidence also make one more likely to embrace Islam? Hmm.
 
I'm a former atheist myself and still a spelling and grammar Nazi.

I guess some things never change. ;D
 
Well the Only thing when i was an atheist, I dont know my purpose in life.

ISNT IT -
When a Manufacturer produce a Product, there is purpose behind it? For example, when a cup is produce, isnt it for drinking coffee, tea etc?

It is the same as When One True God creates a plants, animals, human etc..
Otherwise if Nobody CREATES us, then we are useless...

That is the very basic of existence.



The next thing after acknowledging that we are Created for a purpose is to look for a TRUE guidance.

During my Atheist time, I know I have to do good and be moral, but if there is NO GOD, why cant i do whatever I like to do when I dont blv there is GOD?
Oh yes I was on denial (& lazy too)
 
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Riana17 said:
When a Manufacturer produce a Product, there is purpose behind it? For example, when a cup is produce, isnt it for drinking coffee, tea etc?
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There is a purpose he intends and the buyer usually shares that intention, but over the time that the cup exists it isn't often the only purpose made for it. It may wind up being a holding place for pennies, or a nesting place for a bird, or a temporary home for a fish, or a measuring device, or a bailer in a boat, or a house for a mouse, or any other number of things.

Purpose is what we make it.

It is the same as When One True God creates a plants, animals, human etc..
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What is the purpose of a plant? To the plant itself it is to propagate and grow and make future plants. To a deer it is food. To a bird it is a house. To a squirrel it is safety. To a beaver it is building materials. Again, purpose is what we make it.

Otherwise if Nobody CREATES us, then we are useless...
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That just isn't so.


The next thing after acknowledging that we are Created for a purpose is to look for a TRUE guidance.
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If you let somebody else define your purpose, you have lost your independence and freedom, and free thought, and have become their tool or slave. I bet many of the black slaves of the US south or the Egyptian slaves in biblical times saw their purpose as serving their masters, until they decided to take control and responsibility for their own lives and created their own purpose.
 
Yeah. Before there was spellcheck, there was me. I was always the one that my friends and family would ask on spelling and grammar rules.

Funny thing is, I never really like English in school. I always thought it was boring.
 
Just a Guy said:
Funny thing is, I never really like English in school. I always thought it was boring.
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English is always boring. I prefer French :)


Just a Guy said:
Before there was spellcheck, there was me. I was always the one that my friends and family would ask on spelling and grammar rules.
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I usually don't even use Spellcheck. It drives me up the wall when I see anyone making even a slight spelling/grammar mistake. Yesterday I received a postcard in the mail from my dentist reminding me about an upcoming appointment and I didn't even notice the appointment time because there was a comma in the wrong place ;D
 
I took Spanish and not French.

Hay algunas hispanohablantes aqui? Estoy curioso.

It bugs me when I read newspaper articles or magazine articles or news stories online and see grammar and spelling errors.
 
Ramadhan said:
I submit this as evidence of my previous assertion :)
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Oh, your assertion is quite correct. :)


Ramadhan said:
Really? I never knew this. Care to share with us those statistics? Also, which general public?
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Ramadhan said:
Sorry for being too detailed and ask for evidence.
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Not at all. If I'm too lazy to back up what I say, I can always let you know if I think you should Google it yourself. Good question about which general public, it's an American general public, Muslim mileage may vary. http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2011/02/grammar-nazi-then-youre-probably.html

Ramadhan said:
I wonder if the brain wiring that makes one more likely to be concerned with details, facts and evidence also make one more likely to embrace Islam? Hmm.
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Maybe a study could be done of it, but by far the number one predictor of whether one is a Muslim is whether one's parents are. A valid study should probably focus on converts. Although a study that didn't and found that concern with details, facts and evidence is highly correlated with being Muslim would be evidence that Islam makes one more detail/fact/evidence oriented.
 
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M.I.A. said:
i think atheism becomes a belief system if you read books on it.
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Hmm. Do you think Chess becomes a belief system if you read books on it? Will one book accomplish the transformation? What about people who read all kinds of books, say on Chess and Cats and Coffee and Chicago. Do they now have four new belief systems or one Chess/Cat/Coffee/Chicagoism belief system?

I think part of the confusion is with the -ism ending. Atheism and theism aren't the same kind of 'isms' as Lamarkism or tribalism. They're the other kind of 'ism' a state of being, like albinism and workaholism. Theism is the state of believing at least one supernatural deity exists. Atheism is the state of not believing at least one supernatural deisty exists.
 
Riana17 said:
Well the Only thing when i was an atheist, I dont know my purpose in life.

ISNT IT -
When a Manufacturer produce a Product, there is purpose behind it? For example, when a cup is produce, isnt it for drinking coffee, tea etc?

It is the same as When One True God creates a plants, animals, human etc..
Otherwise if Nobody CREATES us, then we are useless...

That is the very basic of existence.

The next thing after acknowledging that we are Created for a purpose is to look for a TRUE guidance.

During my Atheist time, I know I have to do good and be moral, but if there is NO GOD, why cant i do whatever I like to do when I dont blv there is GOD?
Oh yes I was on denial (& lazy too)
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If you felt this way when you were an atheist, why were you an atheist in the first place? Were you raised atheist?
 
Just a Guy said:
Yeah. Before there was spellcheck, there was me. I was always the one that my friends and family would ask on spelling and grammar rules.

Funny thing is, I never really like English in school. I always thought it was boring.
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Me, too, both human spellcheck and being bored in English class. I turn spellcheck off because it's usuly wron wen it curekts me.
 
Just a Guy said:
I took Spanish and not French.

Hay algunas hispanohablantes aqui? Estoy curioso.

It bugs me when I read newspaper articles or magazine articles or news stories online and see grammar and spelling errors.
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Yeah, isn't a journalism degree supposed to include mastery of writing?
 

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