Imaams of the Haramain - Part IX

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Allahu a'lam akhee. They seem to be quite certain that Sheikh Shuraim wrote it, but I actually read that thread after Fajr this morning and I too was quite disappointed and disheartened. There seems to be some controversy surrounding it. I don't understand the poem too well and I do not know the incidents leading up to the writing of this poem. Perhaps we could just forget about it and edit our posts :><: :?
 
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i DO NOT THINK SHEIKH SHURAIM WROTE THIS!!! :raging:


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May Allah bless you my brother , but why do u think sheikh shuraim didnt write that??

Giving advise to our muslim brothers and sisters is one of the most important part of our deen, and also accepting good advise and correcting oneself when corrected is an important part of the deen.

Dont u knw the famous and beautiful hadeeth
الدين النصيحة

and the beatiful ayah from surah Az zummar
الذين يستمعون القول فيتبعون احسنه

My brother human beings , n people of knowledge are HUMAN after all , and no one is safe from mistakes no one is masoom , people make mistakes , some peoples mistakes ONLY HARM themselfes , like our day to day sins n al , but others Mistakes can harm MILLIONS or even billions , and specially if that person is related to the religion n deen , or a caller or a sheikh or a scholar or student of knowledge , when they make mistakes they are the ugliest of mistakes coz they are harming the deen and also harimg the millions that listen to them.

So it is obligatory ion the people of knowledge who come across such mistakes to correct them , by giving advise , by correcting and if necessary by refuting and rebuting and waring aginst them.

My brother the proper way for us muslims is to get attched to the quran n sunnah and the Senior people of knowledge, to NOT ATTACH THE HAQQ to the people , and not attach out hearst to the peple and humans rather to the haqq , the quran and the sunnah.

Bro the scholars in the past and i mean the irst three generatons never stayed quiet about mistakes and made the truth clear from the false , Its coz of their efforst that the sunnah , the tawheed , the aqeedah , the manhaj has reached us and it is the responsibilty of the people of knowledge untill the day of judgment to keep protecting the aqeedah and sunnah and tawheed and manhaj and the deen in general from those who come and distort it.

So there is notthing wrong in correcting some one , or advising him or even refutuing him or warning others from him , coz this in reality is a MERCY FOR HIM , a mercy on the one who has fallen in the mistake coz who ever will follow him in his maistake he will take a part of their sin as well.

So we should as muslims be just , and honest and not start taking sides soon as a fithnah starts , we see it all day everyday people taking sides and protecting and standing up fpor their sheikhs , their callers and duaat , their teachers and students of knowledge , rather we should stand up for the haqq and be hoest and just and try to seek the truth.



Now as far as this Qaseeedah goes, It is beautiful , Sheikh Shuraim did a god job , he corrected and advised sheikh adil al kalbani in a beautiful way , very sincere and honest way and gave good advise, u kmow why he hAD To do it in such a way , that is correct him publicly , Because sheikh kalbanis mistake was a msitake he did in public it was a fatwa he gave approving singing.

And u should know that our salaf al saalih have done it as well , even in the form of qaseedahs , so we see the ahbaash , the mutazilah , the jahmiyah , the ashariyah all refuted by great scholars of sunnah in forms of poems and qaseedahs.

There is also much more talk about al kalbani , some more srious than this mistake of his , so we ask Allah to guide us and guide him and to forgive us and forgive him and help us all follwo the truth and help us all adhee to the sunnah and right methodology and manhaj.

I leave u with some quotes from great scholars.
Shaikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah- said: "And such as the People of Innovation among the people of the [innovated] sayings that oppose the Book and the Sunnah or the acts of worship opposing the Book and the Sunnah - for exposing their condition and warning the Ummah about them is obligatory by unanimous agreement of the Muslims - ...

...until it was said to Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal: 'Is it more loved to you that a man fasts, prays and peforms tawaaf or that he speaks about the People of Innovation [i.e. exposes them and warns about them]?' He replied: 'When he stands, prays and performs tawaaf that is for himself but when he talks about the People of Innovation then that is for the Muslims and this is more excellent."

Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said:

"Thus if it [the innovation] is done publicly, then its recompense must be done in public, as well, in accordance with conceivable justice. For this reason, it is not considered backbiting to talk about one who openly publicizes his innovations and wickedness, as has been reported on Al-Hasan Al-Basree and others. This is because when one publicizes that, he justifies himself to be punished by the Muslims. The least of these forms of punishment is that he should be dispraised and dishonored so that the people may avoid and refrain from him and his deviance. And if he is not dispraised and the evil or disobedience or innovation that lies within him is not conveyed (to the public), then the people will be deceived by him. Then it is likely that this will bring some of them to act upon what he believes in. At the same time, it will only cause him to increase in his daringness, evil and disobedience."

And by sheikh muqbil about whom sheikh uthaimeen said ," tell him ( tell muqbil) that i consider him a mujaddid"
Shaikh Muqbil said: "How many people have doctorates in Fiqh and understand nothing, how many have doctorates in Hadeeth and don't understand one Hadeeth, for these certificates give creditation to many people to take certain positions which they do not deserve, and how does the title Dr help you when are are ignorant about the Shariah of Allah?"
 
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jazakAllah brother for this however brother how r u sure that sheikh shuraim wrote this in this time and age anything is possible brother u hae to remember this and it may not have been sheikh shuraim who wrote this and it might be people who cause fitnah through this kind of qaseedas.

Just wanted to ask u brother where did u see or hear that sheikh kalbani made a fatwa saying that singing is allowed. May Allah guide us and all the aimah of the haramain :w:
 
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InshahAllah i will get u all the info u need , please let me know what will make u believe sheikh shuriam wrote it?

Also what will prove to u that sheikh kalbani indeed gave a fatwa about singing , i never said anyhing about music , i said it was about singing , any way what type of evidence will u need brother so i can get u that exact thing InshahAllah , coz from what i have experienced with our brothers now a days is Notthing is enough to prove anything , if they have their heart and mind set on one thing , that is the end of it notthing will change it and notthing will ever prove to them that such and such was said and such and such is true they will bring every trick and excuse there is to dodge the issues subhanAllah.

And ameen to your duaa , may Allah guide us all and guide the aimah of haraima nd all our imams and scholars , but as far as i know Adil al Kalbani is no longer an Imaam at the masjid al haram but please do correct me if i am wrong.


As far as the fatwa of kalbani for singing and yes with music there is much talk about it on the net from very reliable sources , and all he has apparently has said is that if it snot by women and does not contain evil talk it is permissible , to which not only shuraim has replied many mnay other scholars have done it too , brother if u can read and understand arabic i can give u links and if u can understand arabic i can give u audio links.

May Allah forgive us all
 
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InshahAllah i will get u all the info u need , please let me know what will make u believe sheikh shuriam wrote it?

Also what will prove to u that sheikh kalbani indeed gave a fatwa about singing , i never said anyhing about music , i said it was about singing , any way what type of evidence will u need brother so i can get u that exact thing InshahAllah , coz from what i have experienced with our brothers now a days is Notthing is enough to prove anything , if they have their heart and mind set on one thing , that is the end of it notthing will change it and notthing will ever prove to them that such and such was said and such and such is true they will bring every trick and excuse there is to dodge the issues subhanAllah.

And ameen to your duaa , may Allah guide us all and guide the aimah of haraima nd all our imams and scholars , but as far as i know Adil al Kalbani is no longer an Imaam at the masjid al haram but please do correct me if i am wrong.



As far as the fatwa of kalbani for singing and yes with music there is much talk about it on the net from very reliable sources , and all he has apparently has said is that if it snot by women and does not contain evil talk it is permissible , to which not only shuraim has replied many mnay other scholars have done it too , brother if u can read and understand arabic i can give u links and if u can understand arabic i can give u audio links.

May Allah forgive us all
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jazakAllah brother wat makes u feel that sheikh shuraim wrote it? any sign any signature? Brothe i asked u for the fatwa in which sheikh kalbani gave i did not say that i dont believe it if u have it please show me brother.

i think our discussion has gone abit far now and may Allah forgive us All we went of topic abit. All i want is sheikh kalbani to lead taraweeh this year again Ameen inshAllah :D

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How about we move past this discussion on what happened between the two Shaykhs? It's unnecessary and irrelevant for us.
 
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Barak Allah feek akhee , i didnt even start the discussion even though i knew for a while what was happeing and cooking , but once it was posted why cant people just accept the truth and make dua for sheikh adil and seek forgiveness for him rather than bringing al sorts of excuses.

I knew about the fithnah , heared about it confirmed it and said may Allah guide and forgive him , just like other fithnas associated with teh sheikh may Allah guide me and us and him and forgve us all.

Just coz we like some ones recitation and enjoy listening to him AND LOVE THEM FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH does not mean we have to become yes-men n do not accept anything form any one regarding that person even if its the truth and good advice and haqq just like in this case when sheikh shuraim gave beautuiful and heart touching advise to his brother sheikh adil may Allah forgive them both and reward them and protect them.



Any way i have moved on i almost regret i got into it any way ,

Beautiful Salahs by sheikh ghamdi , evebn thougjh yesterday sheikh mahir took over ishaa , and sheikh mahir as well has been leading Amazing maghrib and that ishaa yesterday was beautiful

Sheikh ghamdi and mahir are two amazing additions to the imams of haramin and a great asset may Allah protect them.
 
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i hope sheikh budayr leads jumuah tommorrow inshAllah. Around 1 month away from ramadhan inshAllah cant wait inshAllah !


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inshaAllaah Sheikh Shuraim will be back to lead Salatul Maghrib and Salatul Isha in Makkah from coming up Thursday, which is 8th July 2010.
 
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beautiful recitation today salaatul maghrib by shaykh sudais maasha Allah tabaarak Allah!

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sheikh sudais led isha too right?
 
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^Yes, he did. And recited from Surah Ibrahim. It was amazing.
 
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Sheikh mahir again led a beautiful fajr , reminds me of 2007 when he first started at the masjid al haram, those fajr salahs he lead around ramadan n eid al fitr were amazing. yesterday and today fajr salahs were amazing.
 
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sheikh shuraim and juhany's turn to lead mashallah beautiful isha by sheikh shuraim and beautiful fajr from sheikh juhany!.

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No one mentioned the beautiful khutbah by sheikh salih aal talib hafiadhullah yesterday.

May Allah reward him.

Cant wait for ramadan to hear more of shuraim , so good to hear him after such a long time
 
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Shaikh Shuraim recited an ayah about rain from Surah Al-A'raf in Maghrib and it started raining here.

سبحان الذي يسبح الرعد بحمده والملآئة من خيفته
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