Imam receives death threats for preaching evolution

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hopeonallah said:
assala mu aliqum brother and sister .

I don't have much knowledge about Darwin's theory of evolution . But I have one prove that Darwin him self saying his theory does not carry any weight . the prove is :-

Darwin's Letter to his friend, Thomas Thompton
Darwin's Letter to his friend, Thomas Thompton, 1861: “ I believe in the theory of evolution, not because I have proof, but because it helps me in classification, Morphology, Embryology, and rudimentary organs..."
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So by Darwin's own admission he had no proof! That is very interesting. Hopeonallah, do you have any references or links to show where this information is documented?
 
Argamemnon said:
I don't know about other countries but in Turkey there are Islamic scholars who don't even object to the idea of human evolution. They claim that Hz. Adam was the first human with a soul and not necessarily the first "human".
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What an incredibly sensible interpretation. It preserves the theists view of mankind being somehow special without having to ignore perhaps the best evidenced scientic theory in history.


Hiroshi said:
So by Darwin's own admission he had no proof! That is very interesting. Hopeonallah, do you have any references or links to show where this information is documented?
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Of course he didn't, and neither has anyone since. Nor has anyone 'proof' of quantum mechanics, relativity or even that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. You can only ever disprove scientific theories, not 'prove' them. Science is about evidence, and what Darwin is saying is that the theory of evolution by natural selection facilitates classification of living organisms in a way that simply wasn't possible before it. In other words, that the theory has significant explanatory power in relation to why certain species share common attributes.
 
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Ummu Sufyaan said:
i would imagine that that's the same (or similar) treatment that a priest would receive if he were preaching the same thing, no?
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I don't think so. There are a lot of priests who teach some pretty bizarre stuff, honestly, but most of us just don't pay any attention to them. It varies; there is no general rule across the board. But I haven't heard of any death threats over this kind of stuff.

If any of my Muslim Brothers and sisters have a different perspective of religion in the west, please post a link or something. Sometimes you need distance to have a good perspective.

Salaam
 
To give an example and a basis from my personal experience for the previous post:

there is a preacher who comes to my college here in Missouri maybe once a year, and he pisses a lot of us off. He stands on campus telling each and every person that they are going to hell, when he doesn't know anything about us or what purpose Allah (swt) has saved us for or how we will be judged at the last day. He's waaaay too judgmental and self-assured. As far as I know he has never been violently attacked. On one campus they formed a human chain around him and turned their backs on him to make him get the point lol.

Then again, I might have a biased perspective, being in college in the Midwest...

Salaam Alaikum
 
My first post but I found this in another board, it is I think a summary because of copywrite issues but I checked the original and it looks fine. These are Usamas own words

Usama Hasan is a senior lecturer in the department of business information systems at Middlesex University and an Imam at the al-Tawid mosque in Leyton, East London.

His trouble started three years ago when he write an article that we need to go beyond the simplistic idea held by many Muslims that God created Adam from clay and breathed life into him - this is the literal interpretation of the Qu'ran an is still the dominant position. Usama was a fundamentalist for many years, but came to the conclusion that evolution is entirely compatible with the Qu'ran and that alternative interpretations of the creation story are valid.

In December the visiting influential Saudi scholar Salir al-Sadlan was asked whether someone who believed in evolution was fit to lead prayers and he said no. An online petition was set up asking for Usama to be removed from the mosque where he had been a prayer leader for 25 years. In response Usama held a lecture to clarify his position that evolution does not undermine scripture. The lecture was disrupted by a small gang of fanatics and ha to be abandoned.

The situation has become serious and a leaflet was handed out saying that anybody believing in evolution or who propagates it must be killed. *These people are pro-violence and this is worrying because Usama has young children and now has to consider extra security for the rest of his life.

The default position is that most Muslims are taught that evolution is wrong, unproven and blasphemy. When Muslims see nature programmes then tend to see the presenters as unbelievers so they cannot be trusted.

Usama retracted his views but the retraction says he misjudged how Togo about explaining these things. Sooner or later evolution has to be addresses but sadly it is a no go-area with clerics so Usama is abandoning his attempt to reconcile it with the Qu'ran until things settle down - he cannot risk his life and family over this issue. Happily some have said that although they do not agree with him he should have the right to discuss the issue.

Finally, it is a sad fact that many Muslim scientists will not speak out on the issue for fear of the reaction they will get.

Ref: New Scientist page 29 No 2808 dated 16 April 2011
 
Impey said:
My first post but I found this in another board, it is I think a summary because of copywrite issues but I checked the original and it looks fine. These are Usamas own words

Usama Hasan is a senior lecturer in the department of business information systems at Middlesex University and an Imam at the al-Tawid mosque in Leyton, East London.

His trouble started three years ago when he write an article that we need to go beyond the simplistic idea held by many Muslims that God created Adam from clay and breathed life into him - this is the literal interpretation of the Qu'ran an is still the dominant position. Usama was a fundamentalist for many years, but came to the conclusion that evolution is entirely compatible with the Qu'ran and that alternative interpretations of the creation story are valid.

In December the visiting influential Saudi scholar Salir al-Sadlan was asked whether someone who believed in evolution was fit to lead prayers and he said no. An online petition was set up asking for Usama to be removed from the mosque where he had been a prayer leader for 25 years. In response Usama held a lecture to clarify his position that evolution does not undermine scripture. The lecture was disrupted by a small gang of fanatics and ha to be abandoned.

The situation has become serious and a leaflet was handed out saying that anybody believing in evolution or who propagates it must be killed. *These people are pro-violence and this is worrying because Usama has young children and now has to consider extra security for the rest of his life.

The default position is that most Muslims are taught that evolution is wrong, unproven and blasphemy. When Muslims see nature programmes then tend to see the presenters as unbelievers so they cannot be trusted.

Usama retracted his views but the retraction says he misjudged how Togo about explaining these things. Sooner or later evolution has to be addresses but sadly it is a no go-area with clerics so Usama is abandoning his attempt to reconcile it with the Qu'ran until things settle down - he cannot risk his life and family over this issue. Happily some have said that although they do not agree with him he should have the right to discuss the issue.

Finally, it is a sad fact that many Muslim scientists will not speak out on the issue for fear of the reaction they will get.

Ref: New Scientist page 29 No 2808 dated 16 April 2011
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yea we dont believe in fairy tales of primordial soup and swimming noodle monsters creating humans through evolution.
 
No matter what the man believes in, A Muslim should not be sending death threats to him, its disgusting and totally uncalled for. What hope have we got as an Ummah if were threatening to kill each other, We need to stop this foolishness and respect other peoples opinions.

There will be 73 sects in Islam as Allah Azzawajal and his Rasool Peace be upon him told us and there is nothing we can do to change it. Accept it as it is and move on., Allah Azzawajal is the ultimate judge
 
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This is the one thing I hate about our culture. Our people are too quick to start threatening, anyone they disagree with, with death. That's not the way of Islam or the Sunnah, and just makes muslims, in general, look barbaric. It's like the whole thing with Rushdie and the Satanic Verses. I extremely dislike Rushdie because I disagree with his opinions and how he chooses to use his position to spread negativity and incite hatred. However the way the muslim community handled the publication of that book was ridiculous. The Prophet Muhammed (saw) was always calm and peaceful even when he (saw) saw people disrespecting our religion, he (saw) didn't threaten a man when he (saw) caught him urinating in the mosque, or when the people of Ta'if went to throw stones at him (saw), he (saw) did not retaliate but prayed for Allah (swt) to forgive them and show them the right way. If our Prophet (saw) the most pious of all muslims didn't get angry and threaten to kill people when they insulted our religion then what gives us the right to? By being so forgiving and patient the Prophet (saw) was able to gain unanimous respect for our religion. By being aggressive, impulsive, and crude, we are only promoting a bad name for our religion. Religious followers are often considered homogeneous, we all therefore have a duty to act in a positive way because we are all representing our religion, simply by being a muslim. Besides this imam didn't do or say anything wrong - one can believe in the evolution theory and Islam. One does not invalidate the other. I'm guessing most of the people who have expressed anger over this don't even know what the theory of evolution is.
 
hawa14 said:
Besides this imam didn't do or say anything wrong
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Saying that people who believe that Prophet Adam alayhissalaam was created as per what Allah has said in the Quran, have a children's level of understanding, and suggesting that those who believe that he (Adam alayhissalam) originated from apes, are adults and intellectuals, IS wrong.
 
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hawa14 said:
I extremely dislike Rushdie because I disagree with his opinions and how he chooses to use his position to spread negativity and incite hatred.
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AFAIK, during khulafaur rasyidin periods, apostates who purposefully spread negativity and incited hatred and painted lies against Islam were sentenced to death.
 
We really must learn to move beyond the death threats. It simply adds ammunition to those who want us to look like barbarians.
 
Yes, This is the state of the ummah today. And i agree with the post above, the kufar will sure love this news.
 
so does the imam believe his ancestors had seks with monkeys?
which type were they? apes or orangutans? does he have a pic of one of them on his mantelpiece?

this traitor obviously has a political agenda and is a tool of the globalist kuffar:


these kuffar:
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and ironically his name's Usama aswell - they'll call him the "good usama"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ
 
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abz2000 said:
this traitor obviously has a political agenda and is a tool of the globalist kuffar:
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Salaam,

What is this political agenda? How is he a tool? What is this globalist kuffar?

Too vague. Present evidence as well...other than the video. o_o
 
the video says it in his own words - he says those who illegally invaded afghanistan and are murdering Muslims are "doing a good job".

since you've studied law - i'm sure you'll acknowledge that the invasion of afghanistan is a criminal one - just like libya and iraq,

the bush administration stalled an independent investigation into the facts behind 9/11 and attacked afghanistan with no real evidence.

the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks

The War in Afghanistan began on October 7, 2001

this is clearly not an islamic agenda - since this is what the Quran says:
O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news,
ascertain the truth,
lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.
Quran 49:6

the globalist kuffar are these:

 
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