Independent Kurdistan...

[Darkseid]

On the issue of Native reservations and tribal law. There are quite a few reservations that live under tribal laws and constitutions. The Lakota reservation in Pine Ridge is a good example. Federal law does apply for felony crimes, like murder. During the 1970's, the American Indian Movement was causing trouble with the tribal council and supporting Native rights nationwide. The federal government didn't get really involved, except for the CIA and FBI COINTELPRO programs. I think it was COINTELPRO...somthing like that. Anyway, 2 FBI agents were killed on the reservation, and the U.S. government had the right to enter the reservation and fight AIM.

Native American tribal law is much more peaceful than most laws that are executed in other tribes worldwide.

And Native American reservations is not a party of federal law. It is a part of U.S. law.

If the United States was a unitary government, you would still have Native American reservations.

A federation is an act of allowing adequete representation to promote a unified state that won't act upon killing a group of people to gain more rights in their country.

Take Iraq right now. The Iraqi people (the violent militia organizations in Iraq) are attacking each other to gain more power and control over the government. I mean Iraq has a higher Shi'a population than Sunni. So the Sunni (militia organizations) attacks the Shi'a communities as an expected result of not having equal power over the country. They could have stormed into the president's palace and just took over the country in a military coup. Too bad most people belonging to a military organization in Iraq aren't that intelligent. Well, al Queda period isn't intelligent at all. They just promote terrorism rather than simply taking over a country by instituting constant military coups for regime change. Instead of promoting peace and thus gaining more support to later use in taking over the world, they promote senseless terror and thus hunted down like vermin.

Nevertheless, as a counter-attack Shi'a military organizations begin attacking to gain more power or to disrupt the power in the government, because they disagree with it on some level.

I think if we just tried to have a conference and negotiate terms, we could stop the civil war right there.

But the end result would establish a federal government to help establish equal power between the main divisions in Iraq. This isn't a bad thing.

Remember than Venezuela is a federal country and almost all Arabs love it, because they are open against Israel and the United States.

 

[Talha777]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu to those who follow the straight path

I voted that I am a Muslim and I support Kurdistan. However, I believe that the continued condition of Muslims being divided into ethnic groups and nation states is counterproductive to ou spiritual and political unity. Nationalism is a cancer which has afflicted this community, and khilafat is the means to root out this deadly disease. I sympathise with our Kurdish brothers who have suffered much persecution at the hands of Arab nationalists like Saddam Hussein, and I believe that Turkey's continued supression of the Kurds is completely unjustified and must be condemned. We are Muslims first, and if we cannot put aside our ethnic differences, than how can we complain to Allah that we are suffering at the hands of the disbelievers? We deserve to be suffering for our incompetence. We must pray to Allah to restore our unity and revive the khilafat, and we must collectively repent of our unholiness. May Allah Tala forgive us and renew His promise to us to exalt us above all others. Amin.

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah
[Al-Imran 3:110]

 

[cypriot]

No Kurdistan.... NEVER!!!

 

[Akil]

I don’t understand why Muslims can become so divided between national issues. Regardless of their history how can Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims (and vice versa) so much?

I am sure there are hadith about a divided Ummah

 

[Grace Seeker]

I don’t understand why Muslims can become so divided between national issues. Regardless of their history how can Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims (and vice versa) so much?

I am sure there are hadith about a divided Ummah

Have you read this thread carefully? I don't think Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims. What Turks (Mulsim and non-Muslim) hate are Kurds (also whether Muslim or not) who commit acts of terror against the people of Turkey (whether ethnically Turkish or Kurdish).

 

[abdil han]

Have you read this thread carefully? I don't think Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims. What Turks (Mulsim and non-Muslim) hate are Kurds (also whether Muslim or not) who commit acts of terror against the people of Turkey (whether ethnically Turkish or Kurdish).

i do agree ....

we dont hate eachother,,,
we hate who fights against us as terrorists n kills innocent people...

 

[Darkseid]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu to those who follow the straight path

I voted that I am a Muslim and I support Kurdistan. However, I believe that the continued condition of Muslims being divided into ethnic groups and nation states is counterproductive to ou spiritual and political unity.

You won't be able to gain a unity amongst muslims in that fashion until a century from now when they (the violent ones) become intelligent enough not to support terror organizations.

To unify a huge country, you need divisions in administration. You can use these administrations to your advantage in establishing a federal government. Just because you are a muslim, does not mean you can't call yourself an Egyptian or a Jordonian. That's nationalistic pride. But there is nothing wrong with it. Because you can still associate yourself as Middle-Eastern first before calling your self an Egyptian or a Jordonian or whatever.

It's not so bad for a state the size of Qatar to remain unitary. But if you are going to unite the middle east, then you need to establish a federal government.

It doesn't really divide people against each other. It just divides out the control of land to make things easier for the government to administer its responsibilities.

Nationalism is a cancer which has afflicted this community, and khilafat is the means to root out this deadly disease.

Nationalism isn't a cancer. Radical Nationalism is a cancer. Nationalism is the best mean of establishing a united world government. You just have to realize just how stupid most people in this world are and accept it as a burden of why we cannot establish a united world muslim/islamic/whatever government during anytime of this current century. You will have to wait more than a hundred years for this religious event to occur. Otherwise, you will be greatly disappointed.

Besides. Nationalism isn't as bad as tribalism, which divides countries into city-state communities. So we are making some progress. But you won't see any "real" progress until a century from now.

However, there is a global like community called the Arab league.

It sort of like European Union which is a confederation. It is an organization that co-ordinates economic affairs, including commercial relations, communications, cultural affairs, nationality, passports, visas, social affairs, health affairs, and forbids member states from resorting to force against each other.

I sympathise with our Kurdish brothers who have suffered much persecution at the hands of Arab nationalists like Saddam Hussein, and I believe that Turkey's continued supression of the Kurds is completely unjustified and must be condemned. We are Muslims first, and if we cannot put aside our ethnic differences, than how can we complain to Allah that we are suffering at the hands of the disbelievers?

Whining is not going to get Allah's attention. That has been going on for centuries and Allah has obviously shown no interest in it. You must do good deeds and live out your life. If you go to paradise after you die, then you can consult Allah and his angels.

You are humans (Allah's children) first, muslims (Muhammad's followers) second, Middle Easterners third, Arabs/Isreali/Turks/Iranians/Kurds fourth, and whatever last.

Don't start discriminating against other humans or you will be seen as a pest to Allah.

We deserve to be suffering for our incompetence. We must pray to Allah to restore our unity and revive the khilafat, and we must collectively repent of our unholiness. May Allah Tala forgive us and renew His promise to us to exalt us above all others. Amin.

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah
[Al-Imran 3:110]

You deserve to suffer for a lot of things. Probably involve incompetence. I'm just a journey-spirit, so I'm just here for vocational purposes. LOL!

My appologies, but it is true and against my own wishes.

No Kurdistan.... NEVER!!!

Well, now we know why Allah allows you to suffer.

I don’t understand why Muslims can become so divided between national issues. Regardless of their history how can Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims (and vice versa) so much?

I am sure there are hadith about a divided Ummah

Turks don't want to give up their land, even though the majority of people that live on that land are Kurds and they just want the same thing the Turks have and that is a country of their own.

Have you read this thread carefully? I don't think Turkish Muslims hate Kurdish Muslims. What Turks (Mulsim and non-Muslim) hate are Kurds (also whether Muslim or not) who commit acts of terror against the people of Turkey (whether ethnically Turkish or Kurdish).

No one makes an act of terror for no reason at all. Those Kurds (which are of a slight minority) do those acts to gain a voice in their oppressive government. But those acts are put against them in the same manner that killing Bush and thus freeing the American people from their dictator would be seen as an act of cold-blooded murder throughout that entire country.

Sometimes doing the right thing can become the wrong thing, because the act it self rather than the purpose behind it is wrong.

i do agree ....

we dont hate eachother,,,
we hate who fights against us as terrorists n kills innocent people...

Well, the Americans and Europeans are much like that. They are trying to get rid of the terrorist in general. But end up attacking a large majority of people that aren't terrorist but affiliate with the terrorists by being from the same country.

 

[north_malaysian]

You are humans (Allah's children) first

God doesnt have children... we (Muslims) are His servants....

 

[north_malaysian]

No Kurdistan.... NEVER!!!

I have three questions for you.

1) Do you want an independent Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?
2) Do you want Northern Cyprus to be part of Republic of Turkey?
3) Do you want to unite with Greek-control Cyprus and your country be known as Republic of Cyprus?

Just curious...:?