Inexperienced Muslim's Argument against Atheist Professor

[AntiKarateKid]

Hey guys like the title says, I always try to debate with my teacher after class on things in philosophy but when we inevitably get into religion, because I cite that as my reasons for not doing things like killing and giving stuff to the poor, he starts off by saying that the Quran has errors like the setting the sun in a certain place, claiming taht Allah says taht all christians are my enemy, saying that the Quran claims that the earth was created before the stars and that the universe was made in six stages and that it was smoke in the begiinning then saying taht these are inaccuracies. He always finishes off by saying that we don't need God to tell us what is right and what isnt ( I tried to tell him taht this was moral relativism, taht those "inaccuracies"" he claims to point out are not what the Quran says) and today told me that in one part of the Quran God says that he would smite anyone who says he doesnt exist and started saying to the sky "God does not exist" then saying that nothing happened. By the way for you christians he claimed Jesus ( he is an ex- christian) was schizophrenic.


I know I am rambling alittle but I know in my heart that he is wrong but I really need help in responding to this stuff, especially the "we dont need God" part

Thanks brothers and sisters!

 

[al-muslimah]

I would have liked to debate with that Atheist myself.Wallahi he would walk back silently.The quran has no errors, its Allah's uncreated word how can Allah make mistakes.Subhanallah.
Inallaha yudilu man yasha-oo wa yahdee man yash-a

 

[AntiKarateKid]

thanks for responding bro, you can see the trouble I feel in debating with him yet I don't know where to begin.... I feel a need to defend the truth

 

[al-muslimah]

Its sister- and you are welcome just be eloquent and speak mildly to him and don't shy away anything of Islam to make him feel comfortanle with the deen.Allah will help you.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

sorry about the bro part, I forget to look at thatkay:

 

[snakelegs]

Hey guys like the title says, I always try to debate with my teacher after class on things in philosophy but when we inevitably get into religion, because I cite that as my reasons for not doing things like killing and giving stuff to the poor, he starts off by saying that the Quran has errors like the setting the sun in a certain place, claiming taht Allah says taht all christians are my enemy, saying that the Quran claims that the earth was created before the stars and that the universe was made in six stages and that it was smoke in the begiinning then saying taht these are inaccuracies. He always finishes off by saying that we don't need God to tell us what is right and what isnt ( I tried to tell him taht this was moral relativism, taht those "inaccuracies"" he claims to point out are not what the Quran says) and today told me that in one part of the Quran God says that he would smite anyone who says he doesnt exist and started saying to the sky "God does not exist" then saying that nothing happened. By the way for you christians he claimed Jesus ( he is an ex- christian) was schizophrenic.


I know I am rambling alittle but I know in my heart that he is wrong but I really need help in responding to this stuff, especially the "we dont need God" part

Thanks brothers and sisters!

if you are inexperienced and do not have much knowledge, i would recommend not debating with him on the subject of religion. why not something like "i'm glad to hear that you are reading the qur'an. i pray that Allah will guide you."

 

[Isambard]

Could always take a crack at the atheists on this forum as our arguements wouldnt be disimilar and being faceless, perhaps a little less intimidating.

 

[tigersabre]

If you don't have knowledge of Islam, you should not debate it with others.

What he has quoted is often mistranslated ayahs.

 

[جوري]

ask him if he knows what allegory is?

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاء تَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ وَالرَّاسِخُونَ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِهِ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الألْبَابِ {7}​

[Pickthal 3:7] He it is Who hath revealed unto thee the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.

tell him he can't argue against a book which has not read save the orientalist websites which cater to his state of mind.. then have him explain his point of view of the world from an 'atheist view', that is where you can get him... they can't account for half the phenomenon happening in life.. sentience itself or shape eludes them.. if he gives you the familiar line of how it has been all explained before, ask him to explain it himself then, you'd be surprised how idiotic they are once they get to molecular biology while trying to reconcile it with probability of how life came to be along with all the different species....

I think atheism is the dumbest religion 2nd only to ignorance...
If I were you I wouldn't waste my time though... I am yet to meet with a lively happy atheist, I soon rather just give up, they are so angry with the world and their own lives, they'd rather drag everyone down with them....

eh maybe there is a normal atheist out there, I just haven't met him or her!

 

[Isambard]

I think atheism is the dumbest religion 2nd only to ignorance...

O the irony...

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

tell the fish to stop breathing and then claim he doesnt need God.


*calms down*


ok now you need to make this fish here understand that he doesnt know the Quran one single bit, neither does he understand islaam one single bit. He misquotes and misinterprets, so if you can make him understand that then its all good.

To make him understand, simply take ONE point and refute it to the point where he feels destroyed, that should show that fish what a fish he truelly is !

the freaking fish !!

Assalamu Alaikum

 

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:salamext:

ALso, look at how the fish is made, the body structure, etc., Subhaan Allaah...

 

[root]

PurestAmbrosia;873812ask him if he knows what allegory is?


you'd be surprised how idiotic they are once they get to molecular biology while trying to reconcile it with probability of how life came to be along with all the different species....

You would be equally surprised how idiotic the suggestion is that the theory of evolution includes the origin of life. Purest's point here is a no brainer and anyone who does not see that does not know the theory of evolution. How can you debate the theory when the person refuting it does not even understand what it does and does not cover.

Origins of life are found in the following theories:

Panspermia
Abiogenesis

Or, go for the creationist one.

Creation from clay.

 

[جوري]

You would be equally surprised how idiotic the suggestion is that the theory of evolution includes the origin of life. Purest's point here is a no brainer and anyone who does not see that does not know the theory of evolution. How can you debate the theory when the person refuting it does not even understand what it does and does not cover.

Origins of life are found in the following theories:

Panspermia
Abiogenesis

Or, go for the creationist one.

Creation from clay.

excuse me, where in my post did I mention evolution the word? or do you just want to seek the opportunity to hijack another thread? Neither his question nor my answer address 'evolution' he speaks of a man who says we 'don't need God,' and I speak of how most idiotic atheists can't account for half of the occurrences in the world around us while reconciling them with laws of probability and molecular biology as we know it, short of giving us the run around of 'God of the gaps'...

I have no time for kiddy theories--once you have perfected how jack in the beanstalk gave us all the seeds and how your rock is now spontaneously generating and morphing can we have this conversation!

I have no time to waste on another worthless debate!

cheers!

 

[جوري]

O the irony...

You are right it should be first, ignorance should be second, after all ignorance is sometimes excusable by the human condition, poverty, illness, poor upbringing-- while simply having a brain and not using it should render atheism distilled stupidity barnone!


cheers!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

You are right it should be first, ignorance should be second, after all ignorance is sometimes excusable by the human condition, poverty, illness, poor upbringing-- while simply having a brain and not using it should render atheism distilled stupidity barnone!

How rude. Imagine what would happen if someone described Islam that way.

Peace

 

[islamirama]

Hey guys like the title says, I always try to debate with my teacher after class on things in philosophy but when we inevitably get into religion, because I cite that as my reasons for not doing things like killing and giving stuff to the poor, he starts off by saying that the Quran has errors like the setting the sun in a certain place, claiming taht Allah says taht all christians are my enemy, saying that the Quran claims that the earth was created before the stars and that the universe was made in six stages and that it was smoke in the begiinning then saying taht these are inaccuracies. He always finishes off by saying that we don't need God to tell us what is right and what isnt ( I tried to tell him taht this was moral relativism, taht those "inaccuracies"" he claims to point out are not what the Quran says) and today told me that in one part of the Quran God says that he would smite anyone who says he doesnt exist and started saying to the sky "God does not exist" then saying that nothing happened. By the way for you christians he claimed Jesus ( he is an ex- christian) was schizophrenic.


I know I am rambling alittle but I know in my heart that he is wrong but I really need help in responding to this stuff, especially the "we dont need God" part

Thanks brothers and sisters!

First i would report him to the administration,and i would take many students with you for support and backing. He can disagree all he wants but do it in a professional manner, not in an arrogant, ignorant and disrespectful manner.

You can visit www.islam-guide.com to see if that helps.

And next time he shows such arrogance and disrespect towards islam, just say....

You are right it should be first (Atheism dumbest religion), ignorance should be second, after all ignorance is sometimes excusable by the human condition, poverty, illness, poor upbringing-- while simply having a brain and not using it should render atheism distilled stupidity barnone!


cheers!

 

[Keltoi]

The thing about debating an academic is that they are usually well-prepared for it. It is part of what they do. Their minds are usually set in stone too, because no matter how much academics say they are open to new possibilities, the truth is that in most cases they are not open-minded at all. To approach an academic from the standpoint of a person of faith is usually a losing proposition, because the points of reference are alien to the other.

My advice would be to take snakeleg's suggestion and simply smile and wish him the best.

 

[جوري]

Greetings,


How rude. Imagine what would happen if someone described Islam that way.

Peace

Many people in fact do, it is not my job to change people's feelings nor is it of consequence frankly!
see you on the other thread!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

And next time he shows such arrogance and disrespect towards islam, just say....

And show some arrogance and disrespect to someone else's faith-position! C'mon folks, let's be needlessly, hypocritically insulting! That's the way to get things done!

Peace