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lol. atheism does not equal evo.
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lol. atheism does not equal evo.
hola Trumble
lol actually my professors were not philosophy academics... they were voice, psychology, business, economics, biology and chemistry professors. mostly biology and chemistry since that was where most of my primary major was concentrated. i think they did enjoy making me think a certain way, but there was (particularly for one) a desire to impose their religious beliefs since i was known in the department as a particularly devout roman catholic. i used to go into my one professor's office every saturday and i would basically cave into his gigantic leather chair and he made me a big cup of hot chocolate and we would just talk about everything. he is a very nice man
i felt like a little girl...i wish i were still in school...
que Dios te bendiga
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For someone who believes that the Earth was made from “a big boom” he really shouldn’t be talking. Ask him to register on this forum, so we can all gang up on him. 
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Well why don't you just show your evidence that would make him look silly? :-[For someone who believes that the Earth was made from “a big boom” he really shouldn’t be talking. Ask him to register on this forum, so we can all gang up on him.
You seem to be a vessel of great knowledge. :-\
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ask him if he knows what allegory is?
tell him he can't argue against a book which has not read save the orientalist websites which cater to his state of mind.. then have him explain his point of view of the world from an 'atheist view', that is where you can get him... they can't account for half the phenomenon happening in life.. sentience itself or shape eludes them.. if he gives you the familiar line of how it has been all explained before, ask him to explain it himself then, you'd be surprised how idiotic they are once they get to molecular biology while trying to reconcile it with probability of how life came to be along with all the different species....
I think atheism is the dumbest religion 2nd only to ignorance...
If I were you I wouldn't waste my time though... I am yet to meet with a lively happy atheist, I soon rather just give up, they are so angry with the world and their own lives, they'd rather drag everyone down with them....
eh maybe there is a normal atheist out there, I just haven't met him or her!
OMG YOU TOO THINK THAT!!! lol... it really is.
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Where is the evidence that is occurred? When I say evidence I don’t want some theory thought up by some crack pot scientist. If you believe in this “big boom” you are what that crazy Darwin guy called a “Neanderthal”.
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Ah no you don't. You made the statement, you back it up. :scared:
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You fall for the stupid stuff, don't you. :thumbs_do
Atheism is not a religion.
ffended:PS: PA is no longer with us.
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It is a slippery slope for a theist to start demanding "evidence" for things. Faith by definition is without concrete evidence. The "Big Bang" is a theory, a theory that doesn't necessarily rule out divine creation. I'm very uncomfortable with the tendency of many theists on this board to ignore science. Science is how we understand the world that God created, and scientific knowledge is another way to understand God from a strictly material standpoint.
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Wow, Everything the guy said was actually proving islam to be right Look:
he starts off by saying that the Quran has errors like the setting the sun in a certain place,
The Quran says that the sun is running towards a (setting) point this is true since the Star as we know as the Sun, is actually moving at a high speed to one direction in our galaxy
claiming taht Allah says taht all christians are my enemy,
lol, The Quran also says that christians are close in love to muslims, the fact is that the quran is trascends beyond time, so Allah sees past present and future at one and the same time,
That is why Allah says 'and remember when on the day of judgement etc.. ( how can we remember something we never saw?)
saying that the Quran claims that the earth was created before the stars
now he is just lying,
025.061 Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;
You see here Allah says, He even created other stars before the Sun let alone the earth ( its not even mentioned)
and that the universe was made in six stages and that it was smoke in the begiinning then saying taht these are inaccuracies.
The six epos of the universe were SIX STAGES where only certian elements existed before all of them came together, and when Allah says the universe was smoke, it is pointing to the clouds of gas from whence the Stars originate from and as a result also the earth..this guy is stupid, i would of killed him (not litterally lol)
he starts off by saying that the Quran has errors like the setting the sun in a certain place,
The Quran says that the sun is running towards a (setting) point this is true since the Star as we know as the Sun, is actually moving at a high speed to one direction in our galaxy
claiming taht Allah says taht all christians are my enemy,
lol, The Quran also says that christians are close in love to muslims, the fact is that the quran is trascends beyond time, so Allah sees past present and future at one and the same time,
That is why Allah says 'and remember when on the day of judgement etc.. ( how can we remember something we never saw?)
saying that the Quran claims that the earth was created before the stars
now he is just lying,
025.061 Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;
You see here Allah says, He even created other stars before the Sun let alone the earth ( its not even mentioned)
and that the universe was made in six stages and that it was smoke in the begiinning then saying taht these are inaccuracies.
The six epos of the universe were SIX STAGES where only certian elements existed before all of them came together, and when Allah says the universe was smoke, it is pointing to the clouds of gas from whence the Stars originate from and as a result also the earth..this guy is stupid, i would of killed him (not litterally lol)
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Salam...
I took this from Zakir Naik and typed it up...
Go through the following process to defeat the atheist...
Da3wah to an Atheist:
Most of the atheists are atheists because they believe in Science and Technology. They think that science has advanced so much that we don’t require any scripture, religion, etc.
The first question to ask them is…
1) Let’s suppose there is an equipment, there is a machinery, which no one in the world has seen before… if it’s brought in front of you (the atheist), and if we ask the question to the atheist, “Who will be the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of this machinery, of this object?” What can his reply be? They will reply, “The first person who will tell you the mechanism of this machinery is the manufacturer (some may say the creator - some may say the inventor – some may say the producer) (whatever they say it will be somewhat similar – just keep it at the back of your mind). Then ask them the next question…
2) “How did our universe come into existence?” The atheist will tell us that “initially there was a primary nebula; then there was a big bang, which gave right to galaxies, the sun, the moon, and the earth on which we live. This is what we call as the big bang.” Ask them, “When did you come to know about this (the big bang)?” They will tell you, “about 30-40 years back, the scientists discovered this.” You tell him, “But what you’re talking about, the big bang, is already mentioned in the Quran: in surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #30. Which means “Do not the unbelievers see; the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We parted them.” What they are talking about, the big bang, was already mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago. Ask them, “Who could have mentioned that?” The atheist will say “maybe it’s a fluke (luck).” No problem. Don’t argue with him.
3) The light of the moon. Is it its own light or reflected light? The atheist will say that “previously we thought that the moon had its own light. Recently (100-200 years back) we have come to know that the light of the moon is not its own light but a reflected light. The Quran mentioned this 1400 years ago: In surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #61. Which means “Blessed is He who has placed a constellation in the sky; and placed therein a lamp, a sun, having its own light; and moon, having a reflected light, a borrowed light.” Who could have mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago that the light of the moon is not its own light, but a reflected light, which we have come to know recently? The atheist may say, “your prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), maybe he was an intelligent man.” Don’t argue with him, continue.
4) The world that we live on. What’s the shape of this earth on which we live? The atheist will tell you that it is spherical. Ask him, “when did we come to know?” He will tell us that “it was 1597 when Sir Francis Drake sailed around the earth and proved that the earth was spherical.” The Quran says 1400 years ago in surah An-Nazi3at, chapter #79, verse #30. Which means “And thereafter We have made the earth egg-shaped.” The Arabic word Dahaha (in this verse) is not referring to a normal egg, on the other hand it is referring to the egg of an ostrich. And we know the earth is not completely round like a ball, but it is geo-spherical in shape; it is flattened from the poles (vertically). If you analyze the egg of an ostrich, that too is geo-spherical in shape. Who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is geo-spherical? Again the atheist may say, “You know, your prophet, maybe he’s super intelligent.” Don’t argue with him. Just continue.
5) Very recently (~1982) scientists thought that the sun was stationary – it revolved but did not rotate about its own axis. However, in the Quran, 1400 years ago, in surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #33. Which means, “It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the sun and the moon, each one travelling in orbit with its own motion.” So the Quran says that besides the sun just revolving, it even rotates about its own axis. Who could have mentioned this in the Quran 1400 years ago? The atheist will be silent. There will be a long pause. Don’t wait for their reply. Keep on continuing.
6) Today science tells us that the universe is expanding. Which is mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago in surah Adh-Dhariyat, chapter # 51, verse #47.
7) The Quran speaks about the water cycle. The water cycle was first described in 1580. How the water evaporates from the ocean, forms into clouds, moves into the interior, falls down as rain. This water cycle is spoken about in great detain in the Quran in several verses:
-In surah Az-Zumar, chapter #39, verse #21
-In surah Ar-RÛm, chapter #30, verse #24
-In surah Al-Hijr, chapter #15, verse #22
-In surah Al-Mu’minun, chapter #23, verse #18
-In surah An-NÛr, chapter # 24, verse #43
-In surah Ar-RÛm, chapter #30, verse #48
-In surah Al-A’raf, chapter #7, verse #17
-In surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #48-49
-In surah Fatir, chapter #35, verse #9
-In surah Ya-Sin, chapter #36, verse #34
-In surah Al-Mulk, chapter #67, verse #30
-In surah At-Tariq, chapter #86, verse #11
There are hundreds of verses in the Quran that speak about the water cycle which science has discovered recently. We can keep on talking, continue.
8) Today we have come to know that plants have got sexes, which we did not know earlier. Which the Quran says 1400 years ago in surah Ta-Ha, chapter #20, verse #53; that the plants have got sexes: male and female.
9) Today we have come to know that there are two types of waters: sweat and salty. And there is a barrier between them. Which is mentioned in the Quran in surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #53. And surah Ar-Rahman, chapter #55, verse #17-18. Which means, “It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water; though they meet, they do not mix – there is a barrier between them.
10) Today science tells us that it is the mountains which prevent the earth from shaking. Which is mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago in surah An-Naba’, chapter #78, verse #6-7.
11) The Quran speaks about Biology. Its says what means that “We have created every living creature from water – every living thing. In surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #30. The Quran mentioned this 1400 years ago.
12) The Quran speaks about Zoology. About the lifestyle of the spider in surah Al-‘AnkabÛt, chapter #29, verse #41.
13) About the ant in surah An-Naml, chapter #27, verse #17-18.
14) About the bee in surah An-Nahl, chapter #16, verse 68-69.
15) The Quran speaks about embryology in surah Al-‘Alaq, chapter #96, verse #1-2. Which means, “We have created the human being from ‘alaqah, a leach-like substance – which we have come through recently.
16) The Quran speaks about embryological stages in surah Al-Mu’minun, chapter #23, verse #12-14.
We can go on talking about the scientific points. There are more than 1000 verses in the Quran which speak about Science. After every scientific fact you ask the question, “Who could have mentioned that in the Quean?” The only reply the atheist can give you is, “the Creator, the Cherisher, the Manufacturer, the inventor, the Producer.
This Creator, this Manufacturer, this Producer, this Inventor; we muslims call Him as Allah.
That is the reason why Francis Bacon, a very famous philosopher said, “Little knowledge of Science takes you away from Almighty God. In-depth knowledge of Science makes you a believer in God.”
That is the reason scientists today are not eliminating God – they are eliminating models of God.
La’ilaha’illAllah!
I took this from Zakir Naik and typed it up...
Go through the following process to defeat the atheist...
Da3wah to an Atheist:
Most of the atheists are atheists because they believe in Science and Technology. They think that science has advanced so much that we don’t require any scripture, religion, etc.
The first question to ask them is…
1) Let’s suppose there is an equipment, there is a machinery, which no one in the world has seen before… if it’s brought in front of you (the atheist), and if we ask the question to the atheist, “Who will be the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of this machinery, of this object?” What can his reply be? They will reply, “The first person who will tell you the mechanism of this machinery is the manufacturer (some may say the creator - some may say the inventor – some may say the producer) (whatever they say it will be somewhat similar – just keep it at the back of your mind). Then ask them the next question…
2) “How did our universe come into existence?” The atheist will tell us that “initially there was a primary nebula; then there was a big bang, which gave right to galaxies, the sun, the moon, and the earth on which we live. This is what we call as the big bang.” Ask them, “When did you come to know about this (the big bang)?” They will tell you, “about 30-40 years back, the scientists discovered this.” You tell him, “But what you’re talking about, the big bang, is already mentioned in the Quran: in surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #30. Which means “Do not the unbelievers see; the heavens and the earth were joined together, then We parted them.” What they are talking about, the big bang, was already mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago. Ask them, “Who could have mentioned that?” The atheist will say “maybe it’s a fluke (luck).” No problem. Don’t argue with him.
3) The light of the moon. Is it its own light or reflected light? The atheist will say that “previously we thought that the moon had its own light. Recently (100-200 years back) we have come to know that the light of the moon is not its own light but a reflected light. The Quran mentioned this 1400 years ago: In surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #61. Which means “Blessed is He who has placed a constellation in the sky; and placed therein a lamp, a sun, having its own light; and moon, having a reflected light, a borrowed light.” Who could have mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago that the light of the moon is not its own light, but a reflected light, which we have come to know recently? The atheist may say, “your prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), maybe he was an intelligent man.” Don’t argue with him, continue.
4) The world that we live on. What’s the shape of this earth on which we live? The atheist will tell you that it is spherical. Ask him, “when did we come to know?” He will tell us that “it was 1597 when Sir Francis Drake sailed around the earth and proved that the earth was spherical.” The Quran says 1400 years ago in surah An-Nazi3at, chapter #79, verse #30. Which means “And thereafter We have made the earth egg-shaped.” The Arabic word Dahaha (in this verse) is not referring to a normal egg, on the other hand it is referring to the egg of an ostrich. And we know the earth is not completely round like a ball, but it is geo-spherical in shape; it is flattened from the poles (vertically). If you analyze the egg of an ostrich, that too is geo-spherical in shape. Who could have mentioned 1400 years ago that the shape of the earth is geo-spherical? Again the atheist may say, “You know, your prophet, maybe he’s super intelligent.” Don’t argue with him. Just continue.
5) Very recently (~1982) scientists thought that the sun was stationary – it revolved but did not rotate about its own axis. However, in the Quran, 1400 years ago, in surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #33. Which means, “It is Allah who has created the night and the day, the sun and the moon, each one travelling in orbit with its own motion.” So the Quran says that besides the sun just revolving, it even rotates about its own axis. Who could have mentioned this in the Quran 1400 years ago? The atheist will be silent. There will be a long pause. Don’t wait for their reply. Keep on continuing.
6) Today science tells us that the universe is expanding. Which is mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago in surah Adh-Dhariyat, chapter # 51, verse #47.
7) The Quran speaks about the water cycle. The water cycle was first described in 1580. How the water evaporates from the ocean, forms into clouds, moves into the interior, falls down as rain. This water cycle is spoken about in great detain in the Quran in several verses:
-In surah Az-Zumar, chapter #39, verse #21
-In surah Ar-RÛm, chapter #30, verse #24
-In surah Al-Hijr, chapter #15, verse #22
-In surah Al-Mu’minun, chapter #23, verse #18
-In surah An-NÛr, chapter # 24, verse #43
-In surah Ar-RÛm, chapter #30, verse #48
-In surah Al-A’raf, chapter #7, verse #17
-In surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #48-49
-In surah Fatir, chapter #35, verse #9
-In surah Ya-Sin, chapter #36, verse #34
-In surah Al-Mulk, chapter #67, verse #30
-In surah At-Tariq, chapter #86, verse #11
There are hundreds of verses in the Quran that speak about the water cycle which science has discovered recently. We can keep on talking, continue.
8) Today we have come to know that plants have got sexes, which we did not know earlier. Which the Quran says 1400 years ago in surah Ta-Ha, chapter #20, verse #53; that the plants have got sexes: male and female.
9) Today we have come to know that there are two types of waters: sweat and salty. And there is a barrier between them. Which is mentioned in the Quran in surah Al-Furqan, chapter #25, verse #53. And surah Ar-Rahman, chapter #55, verse #17-18. Which means, “It is Allah who has let free two bodies of flowing water; though they meet, they do not mix – there is a barrier between them.
10) Today science tells us that it is the mountains which prevent the earth from shaking. Which is mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago in surah An-Naba’, chapter #78, verse #6-7.
11) The Quran speaks about Biology. Its says what means that “We have created every living creature from water – every living thing. In surah Al-Anbiya’, chapter #21, verse #30. The Quran mentioned this 1400 years ago.
12) The Quran speaks about Zoology. About the lifestyle of the spider in surah Al-‘AnkabÛt, chapter #29, verse #41.
13) About the ant in surah An-Naml, chapter #27, verse #17-18.
14) About the bee in surah An-Nahl, chapter #16, verse 68-69.
15) The Quran speaks about embryology in surah Al-‘Alaq, chapter #96, verse #1-2. Which means, “We have created the human being from ‘alaqah, a leach-like substance – which we have come through recently.
16) The Quran speaks about embryological stages in surah Al-Mu’minun, chapter #23, verse #12-14.
We can go on talking about the scientific points. There are more than 1000 verses in the Quran which speak about Science. After every scientific fact you ask the question, “Who could have mentioned that in the Quean?” The only reply the atheist can give you is, “the Creator, the Cherisher, the Manufacturer, the inventor, the Producer.
This Creator, this Manufacturer, this Producer, this Inventor; we muslims call Him as Allah.
That is the reason why Francis Bacon, a very famous philosopher said, “Little knowledge of Science takes you away from Almighty God. In-depth knowledge of Science makes you a believer in God.”
That is the reason scientists today are not eliminating God – they are eliminating models of God.
La’ilaha’illAllah!
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This stuff is just "Preaching to the Choir". :?
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I am new here and I just started reading the Quran for the first time. One of the first things I read in Sura 2 is that there are people (infidels) who will never believe no matter how much truth you put before them.
Sometimes arguing just brings you down to their level.
Sometimes arguing just brings you down to their level.
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Greetings,
Does anyone know any atheists who have been convinced by this kind of argument? It's certainly very weak, for a number of reasons - chief among them the fact that arguments of this type have been around for centuries. If they actually had any truth to them, everyone in the world would be a Muslim by now.
Peace
Does anyone know any atheists who have been convinced by this kind of argument? It's certainly very weak, for a number of reasons - chief among them the fact that arguments of this type have been around for centuries. If they actually had any truth to them, everyone in the world would be a Muslim by now.
Peace
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When talking about Muslims tolerance with other religions, people forget this verse from surah al-ankaboot
29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."
29:46 And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."
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Isn't wishing people would go to hell without even being judged a bit of intolerance? :thumbs_do
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He isn't wishing people go to hell.. where did you get that from his quote?
He is wishing people would 'dispute with that which is better', as is decreed in the Quran.
i.e. refine the style of debate, which is truly a bit difficult to do the way some folks express themselves!
cheers!
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Now PA, you know I don't make empty statements. :embarrass
Here is the quote.
In fact he even ask you to pray that she goes to hell.
Can one get more hateful than that?
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