Invoking others other than Allah???

[Muslim Soldier]

In Sura Al-Baqarah 2:154
“And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah’s way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive”


Even in Sura Ale-Imran 3:169 conveys the similar message as follows,
“And reckon not those who are killed in Allah’s way as dead; nay, they are alive ……......”



These Verses in clear terms says that those slain in the way of Allah (swt) are not dead but alive. And they enjoy special blessings from Allah (swt). Hence when we address them they can hear us as they are alive.

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Prophet Salih (as) speaks with the souls of his people;
“So they slew the she –camel and revolted against their lord’s commandment, and they said: O Salih! Bring us what you threatened us with, if you are one of the apostles. Then the earthquake overtook them, so they became motionless bodies in their abode. Then he turned away from them and said; O my people, I did certainly deliver to you the message of my Lord, and I gave you good advice, but you do not love those who give good advice”. (Sura A’araf: 77-79).

The first ayat shows that when they were alive they demanded the punishment of Allah (swt).
The second ayat shows that the divine punishment overtook and destroyed each one of them.
The third ayat shows that Prophet Salih (as) spoke to them after their death and destruction and said “I presented you the divine message but you disliked someone giving you advice.”

So, if these peole can not hear, why did Prophet Salih say so?

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It is reported in Sunan an-Nisai and Sahih Muslim that Ayesha says; The holy prophet taught me the manner of visiting the graves, here is the text of the tradition:
“My Lord commanded me to come to Baqi and seek forgiveness for them. (Ayesha) says:- I asked him how one should seek forgiveness to which Holy prophet replied : Say peace (salaam) be upon the people of this place from the believers and Muslims, may God have mercy on those who have left and those who are to follow we shall join you all very soon”



We can observe from the above hadith that the Holy prophet (saw) is teaching Hazrat Ayesha to send salaam to the dead, asking Mercy for them and talking to them that we shall join you soon.

now if these people did not have ability to hear, would Ayesha have said so?
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Abu Dawood in his ‘Sunan’ narrates from the holy prophet (saw) who said: “There is no one who sends greetings upon me but that Allah makes his greetings reach me and I answer his greetings”

Shaykh Mansur Ali Nasif, Al Taj al-jamil li al – ‘usul fi Ahadith al-Rasul’ reports that Holy prophet said: “…send greetings upon me, for your greetings reaches me…”

This tradition was posted by Ahmed if I am not mistake. So, if the prophet can recive salaams, be it by angels or not why cant he receive duas as well?

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If you want to reply please do so with solid evidence!

 

[IceQueen~]

Is there any one to refute it?

in bukhari hadeeth hadhrat umar asked 'abbas (ra) to pray for rain for them and hadhrat umar even said that 'oh Allah when ur prophet was alive we used to ask him to pray for us, and now (after (saw)'s death) we ask the uncle of the prophet to pray for us (abbas was alive-there)

 

[Muslim Soldier]

in bukhari hadeeth hadhrat umar asked 'abbas (ra) to pray for rain for them and hadhrat umar even said that 'oh Allah when ur prophet was alive we used to ask him to pray for us, and now (after (saw)'s death) we ask the uncle of the prophet to pray for us (abbas was alive-there)

Ibn Hajar Makki writes in ‘Sawaiq Muhriqa’ that in 17th year of Hijrah, people prayed for rain but to no effect. Caliph Umar said that he would pray for the rain the next day through the means of approach to Allah. Next morning he went to Abbas, the uncle of the prophet and said, come out so that we may invoke Allah through you for rain”

Abbas asked Umar to sit for sometime so that the Means of approach to Allah could be provided. The Banu Haslim (Ahlulbayt) were then informed. Abbas came out with Ali (ra), Hassan (ra) and Hussein (ra) .Other Bani Hashim where behind them. Abbas asked Umar that no one else to be added to their group. Then they went to the place of prayers where Abbas raised his hands for prayers and said;
“O Allah you created us, and you know about our Actions, O Allah as you were kind to us in the beginning, so be kind to us in the end”. Jabir says that their prayer had not ended when clouds appeared and it began to rain before they could reach their homes, they were drenched.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

If you want to reply please do so with solid evidence!

Your just restating all the points in this thread. All prove nothing of your point. I suggest you go back and read my posts and few other members posts again because obviously youve disregarded our posts and are continuing to blindly follow. Rathar, you need to provide "solid evidence".

 

[Muslim Soldier]

well i was presenting all the evidence in one place. As you know, in the court of law after all the vidence has been provided, the lawyer presents it all to the jury.

I was doing the same thing. From my post one can claerly see that the dead are not "dead"

 

[M H Kahn]

in bukhari hadeeth hadhrat umar asked 'abbas (ra) to pray for rain for them and hadhrat umar even said that 'oh Allah when ur prophet was alive we used to ask him to pray for us, and now (after (saw)'s death) we ask the uncle of the prophet to pray for us (abbas was alive-there)

Here a live man requested another live men to pray to Allah. There's nothing wrong in it; and we do this every day. We ask our relatives and friends, when we meet them, to ask Allah for our welfare.

 

[M H Kahn]

well i was presenting all the evidence in one place. As you know, in the court of law after all the vidence has been provided, the lawyer presents it all to the jury.

I was doing the same thing. From my post one can claerly see that the dead are not "dead"

We do not disagree with you that those who are killed in the way of God are alive with Allah. But you do not know their whereabnouts and you are unable to talk with them. So it is absurd to request them to pray for you, as you are unable to make them hear you and they are unable to respond to your request. Besides, this sort of work is innovation in Islam; not the following of the prophet.

 

[S_87]

muslim soldier your evidence does not show the permissibility of praying to graves

 

[M H Kahn]

Shaykh Mansur Ali Nasif, Al Taj al-jamil li al – ‘usul fi Ahadith al-Rasul’ reports that Holy prophet said: “…send greetings upon me, for your greetings reaches me…”

Allah has ordained for mankind to send so. It should not be our concern whether it reches to anywhere other than Allah. In sending greetings, we obey Allah.

 

[M H Kahn]

muslim soldier your evidence does not show the permissibility of praying to graves

You're right !

 

[Muslim Soldier]

look. I provided concrete evidence from hadith. You do so too in one post neatly.

 

[united]

When Adam (as) was sent down to earth, he repented for 40 years. At the end of 40 years he made dua to the effect of "Oh Allah, forgive me by the love you havefor Muhammed (saw)". Allah, in His infinite wisdom, asked him why he made such a request. Adam (as) replied that he had seen the kalimah written on the doors of Jannah. And for Allah to put Muhammed (saw)'s name there must mean that Allah had a great love for Muhammed (saw).
This was the dua that caused Allah to forgive Adam (as).
note 1) He did not ask Rasulullah (saw) directly. (whateverform he was in).
note 2) The words of the dua "Fot the love of Muhammed (saw)..."

 

[S_87]

When Adam (as) was sent down to earth, he repented for 40 years. At the end of 40 years he made dua to the effect of "Oh Allah, forgive me by the love you havefor Muhammed (saw)". Allah, in His infinite wisdom, asked him why he made such a request. Adam (as) replied that he had seen the kalimah written on the doors of Jannah. And for Allah to put Muhammed (saw)'s name there must mean that Allah had a great love for Muhammed (saw).
This was the dua that caused Allah to forgive Adam (as).
note 1) He did not ask Rasulullah (saw) directly. (whateverform he was in).
note 2) The words of the dua "Fot the love of Muhammed (saw)..."

:Sl:

there is a difference of opinion regarding this hadith but i think its been classed mawdoo

muslim soldier

Say (O Muhammad): ‘Shall we invoke others besides Allaah (false deities), that can do us neither good nor harm, and shall we turn back on our heels after Allaah has guided us (to true Monotheism)?
6:71

And invoke not besides Allaah any such that will neither profit you nor harm you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers
10:106

And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them
46:5

And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmeer (the thin membrane over the date stone).

If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad) like Him Who is the All‑Knower (of everything).

O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allaah. But Allaah is Rich (Free of all needs), Worthy of all praise

35:13-15

 

[united]

There is a difference between asking people, and asking Allah. Asking the auliya for things is wrong. But there is nothing wrong with asking Allah.

 

[M H Kahn]

When Adam (as) was sent down to earth, he repented for 40 years. At the end of 40 years he made dua to the effect of "Oh Allah, forgive me by the love you havefor Muhammed (saw)". Allah, in His infinite wisdom, asked him why he made such a request. Adam (as) replied that he had seen the kalimah written on the doors of Jannah. And for Allah to put Muhammed (saw)'s name there must mean that Allah had a great love for Muhammed (saw).
This was the dua that caused Allah to forgive Adam (as).
note 1) He did not ask Rasulullah (saw) directly. (whateverform he was in).
note 2) The words of the dua "Fot the love of Muhammed (saw)..."

Only a disbeliever may believe this false story invented and spread by enemies of Allah, as Allah says about the Adam's forgiveness:"But Shaitãn tempted them with the tree to disobey Allah’s commandment and caused them to be expelled from Paradise, and We said: "Get out from here, some of you being enemies to others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and provisions for a specified period. Then Adam received appropriate words from his Rabb and repented, and Allah accepted his repentance. Surely He is the Acceptor of Repentance, the Merciful.[2;36-37] Allah again says:"Thus he cunningly seduced them, and when they ate from the tree, their shame became visible to them and they began to cover themselves with the leaves of the garden. Then their Rabb called out to them: “Did I not forbid you to approach that tree, and did not I warn you that Shaitãn was your open enemy?” They both replied: “Our Rabb! We have wronged our souls. If You do not forgive us and have mercy on us, we shall certainly be of the losers.”[7:22-23]

"The words of the dua "Fot the love of Muhammed (saw)" denotes a very clear meaning that Muhammed (pbuh) is a partner in Allah's realm and Allah cannot act independently without Muhammed's advice. A man fostering such a belief is simultaneously a 'kfir' and 'mushrik' for his denial of Allah's attribute that He is all-powerful over all things as well as for associating Muhammed(pbuh) as a partner in Allah's decision making process.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

look. I provided concrete evidence from hadith. You do so too in one post neatly.

Ok, for the last time I will post whatever I had posted before which you have obviously disregarded.

Regarding Intercession:

Allah says:

" And warn by it, those who fear to be gathered to their Lord: Besides Him they will have no protector nor intercessor: That they may become pious, God-fearing" (Qur'an 6:51)

Allah , Most High commands His Prophet, Muhammad, (may Peace Be Upon Him) in this verse to inform and strike fear into those who are convinced of the truth of the Day of Resurrection: That they will stand before their Lord on that Day, and that they will find no helper, nor intercessor to intercede between them and Allah's punishment, that hopefully, they will fulfill the commands of Allah and abstain from that which He has forbidden.

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Allah , says:

" Say to Allah belongs all intercession. To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and to Him you shall all return" (Qur'an 39:44)

Allah , Most Glorified, Most High, commands His Prophet, Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him) in this verse to inform the people, whatever their philosophy or creed, that the right to grant every manner of intercession is purely and solely for Allah , the Almighty, the All-powerful, and none may contend with Him in it, nor can any intercede except by His permission; then He affirms that He is the One and Only Disposer of affairs in the heavens and the earth and all that they contain and that there is no escaping from the Day when all mankind will be returned to Allah ; then those who took others as intercessors will know the futility of their deeds.

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Regarding Taking Graves of Righteous Men as Places of Worship To Allah:

It is authentically reported on the authority of `Aa`ishah that:

Um Salamah (May Allah be pleased with them both) told the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) about a church she had seen in Abyssinia in which there were pictures. The Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "Those people, when a righteous member of their group or a pious slave (of Allah swt ) dies, they build a mosque over his grave and make images therein; by so doing, they combine two evils: (i) The evil of the graves and (ii) the evil of images."
(Narrated by Bukhari)

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Al-Bukhari and Muslim report that `Aa`ishah said: "When the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) was close to death, he covered his face with a cloth, and then when it became difficult for him to breathe, he uncovered his face and said:

"May Allah curse the Jews and Christians who took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship - do not imitate them."

And, (added `Aa`ishah,) "if it had not been for this, his grave might have been raised above ground, but it was feared that it would be taken as a place of worship."

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Muslim narrates on the authority of Jundub Ibn `Abdillah (ra) that he said: "I heard the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) say five days before his death:

"Verily, I bear witness before Allah that I have taken none of you as my Khaleel,2 for truly, Allah has taken me as His Khaleel, just as He took Ibraheem (as ) as a Khaleel. If I were to take any man from my Ummah as a khaleel, it would be Abu Bakr. Your predecessors used to take their Prophets' graves as places of worship, so do not make graves into places of worship for I have forbidden you to do this."


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It is narrated by Ahmad, with a good sanad, on the authority of Ibn Mas'ood (ra), in a narration traced back to the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) himself, the following:

"Verily, the most wicked of people are those who, when the Hour overtakes them, are still alive, and those who take graves as places of worship." (Also Narrated by Abu Hatim in his Saheeh)

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It is reported on the authority of `Ali Ibn Al-Husain that he saw a man approaching a small niche before the grave of the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) and he went into the niche and began to supplicate. So he (`Ali) prevented the man from doing so, saying: "Shall I not tell you a Hadith (of the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) which I heard from my father, who in turn, heard it from my grandfather [i.e. `Ali Ibn Abi Talib (ra)], who reported from Allah's Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) that he said:

"Do not take my grave as a place of celebration, nor your homes as graves; send prayers and blessings upon me, for your salutations will reach me, wherever you may be." (Narrated by Al-Maqdasi, in Al-Mukhtarah)

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Side Note:

Setting out on a journey with the express intent of visiting the grave of the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) is prohibited, because of his words:

"Do not saddle up your riding beasts, except to three mosques: "The Sacred Mosque (in Makkah), this my mosque and Al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem)." In light of this, it is clear that whoever undertook a journey in order to pray in the Prophet's Mosque, is not guilty of any sin, while whoever did so in order to worship at the grave has disobeyed the Prophet." ( Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim and others.)

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It is narrated by Muslim, on the authority of Thawban (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) said:

"Verily, Allah folded the earth for me, so much so that I saw its East and its West: The kingdom of my Ummah will reach as far as the earth was folded for me. The two treasures, both the red and the white were given to me. I prayed to my Rabb that He may not destroy my Ummah by a widespread drought and not give sovereignty over them to an enemy who annihilates them in large numbers except from among themselves. And then verily, my Rabb said: "Oh, Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him)! When I issue a decree, it is not withdrawn: I have promised your Ummah that I will not destroy it by a widespread drought and I shall not give sovereignty of them to an enemy who exterminates them in large numbers, even if they are stormed from all sides of the earth except from among themselves. Only a portion of them will destroy another portion and a portion will take another portion prisoner." This was also narrated by Al-Barqaani, who added: "I fear for my Ummah those leaders who will send them astray: When the sword is used among my people, it will not be withdrawn from them until the Day of Resurrection and the Hour will not come until a tribe from among my Ummah attach themselves to the polytheists and numbers of my people worship idols; and there will be among my Ummah thirty liars, all of them claiming that he is a prophet, though I am the Seal of the Prophets - none will come after me. But some of my Ummah will continue to hold to the truth and they will be victorious and they will not be harmed by those who oppose them until Allah's Command comes."

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Imam Malik has reported in his book, Al-Muwatta`, that the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) said:

"Oh, Allah! Do not let my grave become an idol that is worshiped: Allah's Wrath is immense against those peoples who turned the graves of their Prophets into mosques."

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Regarding Exxageration of Righteous Men - The Basis of Shirk -

It is reported on the authority of `Umar (ra) that the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) said:

"Do not extoll me as the Christians extolled the son of Maryam (as ); I am no more than a slave (of Allah) and so (instead), say: Allah's Slave and His Messenger."
(Narrated by Bukhari)

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The Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) said:

"Beware of exaggerated praise, for it was only this which led those before you to destruction." (Narrated by Ahmad, An-Nassa'I and Ibn Majah.)

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Regarding Calling On Others Beside Allah :

Allah , says:

" Nor call on any besides Allah, such can neither profit you, nor hurt you. If you do, then you will surely be one of the zalimun" (Qur'an 10:106)

In this verse, Allah , Most Glorified, Most High, forbids His Prophet, Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him) - and the forbiddance applies to the whole Ummah - from performing acts of worship, in particular supplication for any other besides Allah , because none beside Him possesses power to benefit or harm. Then Allah informs His Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) that should he do so, he would be one of the Zalimun.

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Allah (swt), says:

" If Allah does not touch you with hurt, there is none can remove it but He: If He designs some benefit for you, there is none can keep back His Favour: He causes it to reach whomsoever of His slaves He wills, and He is the Most Forgiving, Most Merciful" (Qur'an10:107)

In this verse, Allah , Most Glorified, Most High, informs His Prophet, Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him) that both good and evil are determined by Allah , the Almighty, the All-powerful, and that none of His creatures - whoever he may be - has the power to lift harm or prevent benefit coming to anyone; and that all power of disposal is in Allah's Hands. He forbids whom He wills, in His Wisdom, and He gives to whom He wills from His Bounty, and He is Oft-forgiving to whomsoever turns in repentance to Him; even to the one who has committed shirk, He is Full of Mercy

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Allah , Most High says:

" And who is more astray than one who calls upon other than Allah, such as will not answer him until the Day of Resurrection, and who are [even] unaware of their calls to them. And when mankind are gathered [on the Day of Resurrection], they [the false deities] will become enemies to them and will deny their worshipping" (Qur'an 46:5-6)

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Allah , says:

" Is not He [better than your gods] Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth [generation after generation], is there any deity with Allah? Little it is that you bear in mind [the warning]" (Qur'an 27:62)

This verse proves that none can answer the oppressed or the distressed except Allah , Most Glorified, Most High, because Du'aa` is a form of worship and dedicating an act of worship to other than Allah is Shirk.

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At-Tabarani reports that:

"In the time of the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) there was a hypocrite2 who used to harm the Believers, and some of them said: "Come, let us seek aid from the Messenger of Allah (may Peace Be Upon Him) against this hypocrite." But the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "Aid must not be sought from me; aid must only be sought from Allah ."

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Here is the evidence once more. Please Read it over and realize that these are not my words, but the Words of Allah and the Words of His Messenger (SAW). And remember this ayat:

[Hujurat 49:1] O People who Believe! Do not advance ahead of Allah and His Noble Messenger, and fear Allah; indeed Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing.

 

[Muslim Soldier]

:Sl:

there is a difference of opinion regarding this hadith but i think its been classed mawdoo

muslim soldier

Say (O Muhammad): ‘Shall we invoke others besides Allaah (false deities), that can do us neither good nor harm, and shall we turn back on our heels after Allaah has guided us (to true Monotheism)?
6:71

And invoke not besides Allaah any such that will neither profit you nor harm you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers
10:106

And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them
46:5

And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmeer (the thin membrane over the date stone).

If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call; and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad) like Him Who is the All‑Knower (of everything).

O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allaah. But Allaah is Rich (Free of all needs), Worthy of all praise

35:13-15

very nice thank you
but, if there was to be no intercession, then why would Allah say

“Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Ever living, the Self-subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission?...” (2:255) “Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, and He is firm in power, regulating the affair, there is no intercessor except after His permission;…” (10:3)

Notice the words but and except in the above mentioned verses. These verses do not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession. So far we are establishing the fact that intercession is not something condemned in Islam, rather it is something accepted highly by Islam.

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Now from your verses it shows that intercession is not allowed. But, earler on through discussion I came to the conlusion thanks to Ahmed and Khan that intercession is allowed except asking throgh the dead. Therfore you criticize each other.

If Ahmed or Khan have anything to say regarding this please do so.

 

[Muslim Soldier]

Ahmed I am not quoting your post coz its too long but I can see that it mainly says DONT ASK anyone but Allah. However, earler you had come to the conclusion that intercession was allowed unless the person was dead. Therafter asking him was haraam. Please clerify

 

[M H Kahn]

very nice thank you
but, if there was to be no intercession, then why would Allah say

If Ahmed or Khan have anything to say regarding this please do so.

If I ask you that you tell Allah for my welfare, it is quite possible for you to tell Allah, but neither I nor you know if Allah will grant your prayer. This is not intercession; this is simply a supplication wherein you seek Allah's blessings for yourself as well as for others.

But if you die or killed for the cause of Allah, then I shall not be able to talk with you or make you hear what I say. So, how can I ask you that you pray for me to Allah ? This is simply absurd and tantamount to worshipping the dead.

As regards the discussion on intercession in the Quran, it is about the hereafter. We find some verses that say that with death ceases one's capacity to do any good or harm to himself or to others, and there will be none to help him in the hereafter except Allah Himself.Look at the following verses that say that there is no intercession by any other than Allah Himself:

Guard yourselves against the Day on which one soul shall not avail another - no intercession shall be accepted, no ransom shall be taken and no help shall be given.[2:48]
Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and that besides Allah, you have no protector or helper![2:107]
Guard yourselves against the Day when one soul shall not avail another, no ransom shall be taken, no intercession shall profit anyone, and no help shall be given.[2:123]
O believers! Spend out of the sustenance which We have provided for you before the arrival of that Day when there will be no bargaining, friendship or intercession. It is the unbelievers who are wrongdoers.[2:254]
If Allah helps you, then there is none who can overcome you. If He forsakes you, then who else is there other than Him who can help you? Therefore, in Allah let the believers put their trust.[3:160]

Then we find some other verses that idicate that Allah may allow some angels or prophets to intercede for some specific persons. This confirms that the intercession lies with Allah and none but Allah can do any good or harm to us.These verses are:

Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind ?[Surah Yunus:3]
No intercession availeth with Him save for him whom He permitteth. Yet, when fear is banished from their hearts, they say: What was it that your Lord said ? They say: The Truth. And He is the Sublime, the Great.[Surah Saba:23]

All verses confirm that we have no friend, protector or intercessor but Allah Himself in the hereafter. I think when I have no friend or protector but Allah in the hereafter, then why should I bother if Allah will place me in the heaven directly by His grace or he will tell some angel or prophet to intercede for me and then He will let me get into the paradise. As all power lies with Allah and He has not delegated any intercessory power to any, a believer should concentrate on the worship of Allah alone and never think of any intercession in the hereafter. I feel it is a forbidden thinking that may pollute one's faith and lead him to commit shirk.​

 

[S_87]

very nice thank you
but, if there was to be no intercession, then why would Allah say

“Allah is He besides Whom there is no god, the Ever living, the Self-subsisting by Whom all subsist; slumber does not overtake Him nor sleep; whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His; who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission?...” (2:255) “Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods, and He is firm in power, regulating the affair, there is no intercessor except after His permission;…” (10:3)

Notice the words but and except in the above mentioned verses. These verses do not condemn the presence of an intercessor; they just put a condition for the fact of intercession. So far we are establishing the fact that intercession is not something condemned in Islam, rather it is something accepted highly by Islam.
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so are you trying to say for intercession we have to ask the person or we have to ask Allah?