Iran - Britain is the most treacherous

[Thinker]

Iran's Supreme Leader today singled out Britain as the “most treacherous” Western power

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6534685.ece

Treacherous (definition): characterised by faithlessness or readiness to betray trust; traitorous. deceptive, untrustworthy, or unreliable.

Is Britain treacherous, is Britain the most treacherous, if so what did Britain do or is doing to deserve this title?

This rhetoric appears very similar to that espoused by Mugabe, is it done for the same reason, i.e. a failed leader trying to deflect criticism away from his failures by blaming the old enemy?

 

[Thinker]

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[aadil77]

I thought it would have been america or israel

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I am a little surprised that out of all the possible treacherous nations, he singled out Britain as the most . The government is certainly a mess; but I dunno about being the most treacherous government on the face of this planet.

Allahu Alim.

 

[Trumble]

I thought it would have been america or israel

Israel is just outright hostile rather than 'treacherous', so doesn't really count ("Iranian cleric slags off Israel.." not exactly news, is it?)

It is, of course, America, but with the new administration deliberately distancing themselves from commenting on the election, and having made some moves to improve relations the Iranians don't want to just throw that all away for the sake of a quick soundbite for home consumption. Britain is just a convenient proxy. Either that, or Khamenei has just been reading the Robert Mugabe book on 'How to Govern'. Come to think of it.... :rollseyes

 

[Thinker]

I watched the speech and I saw him whipping up it the gathering to the point where he blamed all the problems in Iran on other nations. It reminded me of Hitler’s Nuremburg rallies, Mugabe’s rantings on colonialism and the news readers in Kim Jong Il’s north Korea. I note also the censorship and suppression of the peoples access to free information as another parallel with those dictatorial regimes. Once again, it is an example of how easy it is to convince the masses of almost anything and how dangerous it is to have a leader who purports to be a representative of God and who believes he is only answerable to God.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

Britain is just a convenient proxy.

I think that may be the case, in order to deflect attention away from the election result. I.e. blaming someone just for the sake of blaming someone else, which would then unite everyone in a common agenda.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I am a little surprised that out of all the possible treacherous nations, he singled out Britain as the most . The government is certainly a mess; but I dunno about being the most treacherous government on the face of this planet.

Allahu Alim.

You need to look at the British and Iranian history.

I've been a supporter of Ahmedjinad. But if the votes have been rigged, then the will of the people must be obeyed.

May Allah bring peace and harmony, as a few have died.

 

[Zafran]

And those nuclear arms? How many of us reported a blunt statement which the Supreme Leader and the man who ultimately controls all nuclear development in Iran made on 4 June, just eight days before the elections? "Nuclear weapons," he said in a speech in which he encouraged Iranians to vote, "are religiously forbidden (haram) in Islam and the Iranian people do not have such a weapon. But the Western countries and the US in particular, through false propaganda, claim that Iran seeks to build nuclear bombs – which is totally false..."

Intresting article (especially about the supreme leader on Nukes) by Robert fisk

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...d-reality-make-uneasy-bedfellows-1710762.html

 

[Banu_Hashim]

You need to look at the British and Iranian history.

I will InshAllah.

But what about the present government of Britain. Surely Gordon Brown isn't treacherous. Boring as heck, maybe.

 

[alcurad]

he refers to history though, and the colonial past-and present?-are not good memories for the subjugated peoples. but it is propaganda, much like the rhetoric about rigged elections and nuclear weapons, half truths distorted to fit a demonized enemy..

 

[Thinker]

Is Iran an example for those Muslims here who want to live in a Muslim state under sharai law i.e. is what I see there with the leadership by autocracy, brainwashed with propaganda, censored and denied access to free information what you want?

 

[Najm]

, brainwashed with propaganda, censored and denied access to free information what you want?

AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu

Are you talking about the ME EXPENSES SCAM? yes we want all the information!!

p.s he must have been refering to the "British Empire". You know the one that rule over every land the reached. Started wars and slave trade. The one at its peak had a poppulation more than 400 million.

Hence the British can be considered to have one of the worst "human rights" records.

FiAmaaniAllah

 

[The_Prince]

Is Iran an example for those Muslims here who want to live in a Muslim state under sharai law i.e. is what I see there with the leadership by autocracy, brainwashed with propaganda, censored and denied access to free information what you want?

its not brainwashed, the brainwashing happens in your country where your secular papers and rulers keep brainwashing you into thinking your civilized and better than every other culture and system.

infact your so brainwashed you think that people who speak against you are brainwashed into doing that!

 

[Thinker]

its not brainwashed, the brainwashing happens in your country where your secular papers and rulers keep brainwashing you into thinking your civilized and better than every other culture and system.

My country allows me unfettered access to any information available on the planet so that I might make value judgements on what they and local media tell me. That’s just one difference between my country and totalitarian regimes such as Iran.

I take it then that you would like to live in a country which is ruled as an autocracy, which censors information and which makes access to outside information a criminal offence? Can I know what is your country and where you are currently residing?

 

[The_Prince]

My country allows me unfettered access to any information available on the planet so that I might make value judgements on what they and local media tell me. That’s just one difference between my country and totalitarian regimes such as Iran.

I take it then that you would like to live in a country which is ruled as an autocracy, which censors information and which makes access to outside information a criminal offence? Can I know what is your country and where you are currently residing?

you see, you are clearly brainwashed. iran does not criminalize foreign info, this is part of your brainwashed mind that you make such comments.

 

[The_Prince]

My country allows me unfettered access to any information available on the planet so that I might make value judgements on what they and local media tell me. That’s just one difference between my country and totalitarian regimes such as Iran.

I take it then that you would like to live in a country which is ruled as an autocracy, which censors information and which makes access to outside information a criminal offence? Can I know what is your country and where you are currently residing?

can you give me info of stores in your country that publish works that examine and analyze whether the holocaust actually happened.

 

[Thinker]

you see, you are clearly brainwashed. iran does not criminalize foreign info, this is part of your brainwashed mind that you make such comments.

In Iran it is a criminal offence to have satellite TV; it has been reported on all media that the Iranian government have been closing down internet comms forums etc.,

Can I know what is your country and where you are currently residing?

 

[Zafran]

Brainwashing happens in every country - Even censorship - for example the Iraq enquiry in the UK Gordon Brown doesnt want it to go public - theres the 44 torture photos which Obama doesnt want to release and then theres Iran which doesnt want anyone to find out wants happening - although I've heard its gone preety bad.

There censorship everywhere - just in some places it worse then others.

There are propaganda tools in all countries anyway - its up to the indivdual to believe it or not.

 

[Trumble]

can you give me info of stores in your country that publish works that examine and analyze whether the holocaust actually happened.

I don't know what country he comes from, but as far as I know publishing and selling such works is perfectly legal everywhere in Europe and North America except for Germany, Austria and Romania (the reasons why they are exceptions is pretty obvious, whether you approve or not).

I suspect few actually do as firstly because academically nobody (or at least, very few) take such works remotely seriously and secondly because, thankfully, only a few die-hard neo-Nazi idiots would actually want to buy them. Garbage remains garbage whether you are free to publish, sell and buy it or not.