Iran - Britain is the most treacherous

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Amadeus85 said:
Zafran said:
It completely doesnt matter what ordinary people think. What counts is that the state treats all religions in UK (in Spain, France, Holland) as equal. It means that no religion has priveliges and that all religions are equally supported by the state (or none is supported like in France). So multiculturalism ignores the 1000 years european tradition, its anti nature, and poisonous for Europe. And to be precise, I only blame europeans for that, because it was done by our own hands. I just want to persuade You, that You think about multiculturalism in wrong way. Multiculturalism is not a simple tolerance. Its a project which deliberately lies that England, Italy, France etc, are countries where there is no one dominating culture, but that the culture of hindus, muslims, jews and sikhs is as important and crucial as the culture of anglicanism,catholicism or protestantism.




Multiculturalism is not about tolerance. Tolerance is something natural and accepted. But look, the states of Egypt, Morocco and Pakistan don't promote other religions than islam. The states of these countries don't treat other religions equally to islam. And thats completely fine, thats natural and sane. All what I want to point is that the europeans lost the sane way and promote multiculturalism.



In the old good times, before 1789, 1918 or the 60's in XX century(depends on what country we talk about), the religious minorities in Europe were treated very much as the dhimmis were treated in Khalifa. Which means that no one extreminated them, but they had to accept the christian character of the country. So they of course couldnt promote their faiths and run high posts in the state.



No, read what I wrote upper.
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Ive read your whole post and i have to say this is exactly what scares most europeans - Tolernace isnt natural! - chirstainty didnt accept many minorities - it didnt make them Dhmmi - it actually persecuted them or forced them to change religion - atleast before 1700s it isnt seen as the good old days - thats why people ran to america and europeans (most of them) are sacred of religion comming into politics - the focus on the split of church and state is due to christian europes past.

do morroco, and Egypt actually promote Islam - the government doesnt. There are privleges for Christainty in the UK which is deep rooted in christain culture. - I'll give you an example

1 - on BBC you have songs of praise on every Sunday which clearly shows what the UK is (atleast on paper) its christain - thats a privlege or shows what the people want

2 - When somebody gets crowned in the UK again its in church - not in some secular or other religous ceremony or place.

I'm sure spain still celebrates in public the kicking out of muslims (reconqustia) and the vatican still is independent and under the Pope can somebody make a mosque there - dont think so. There are still some clear privleges for christianty.

- but thanks to the modern world is far more tolerant/multicultural then christianty ever was - you didnt tolerate any other religion unless for the short term - In the Islamic world its a fact that they were tolerant (for there times) and in the future hopefully we can trump that.

Europe wasnt known for tolerance (atleast under christainty it wasnt - ask the Jews) until later.

You realy have misunderstood Tolerance/Multiculturalism.

The whole point christainty and religion in general is condemed in Europe because of christain europes sheer intolerant history - its left a bad mark on fellow europeans.
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Amadeus85 said:
No I dont agree, multiculturalism isn't just tolerating of religious and cultural minorities. Multiculturalism is agreeing that all cultures and religions are equal and neither is dominant.
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I suggest that religion is not a culture within the definition of multiculturalism in the same way that Muslims are not a race within the defintion of racism i.e you can get different peoples with differenet cultures practicing the same religion and Muslims consist of many different races.
 
Gossamer skye said:
It is NOT an Islamic system. Shiites aren't recognized by main-stream Muslims of whom 85% are sunni, so how is it that you have drawn that conclusion? are you studied in Islamic jurisprudence?

all the best
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Greetings respected Skye,

Taking aside the differences between Sunni and Shiite interpretations of Islamic teachings, is the fundamental model/system of governance employed in Iran a model you would expect to see in a Sunni Islamic state? If not can I know how it would differ?
 
Thinker said:
Greetings respected Skye,

Taking aside the differences between Sunni and Shiite interpretations of Islamic teachings, is the fundamental model/system of governance employed in Iran a model you would expect to see in a Sunni Islamic state? If not can I know how it would differ?
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If you want to learn the model of proper Islamic governance then I'd look for (al-Khilafa ar-Rashida) as it in fact took place and wasn't some utopic place of being-- I can't imagine it too hard to purchase a book, as I have indeed already recommended you a book to read... did you purchase and read it?


all the best
 
Zafran said:
They dont insult the Quran.
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Surely they do .. you have to follow up on the tafseer they make .. and what if they don;t and only insult that sunnah ? is that okay in islam ?

They lied on both quran and sunnah .. so they have reached the maximum level of lies .. they can easly lie about anything .. like history .. so lying is same as the air that they breath
 
salafy_masry said:
Surely they do .. you have to follow up on the tafseer they make .. and what if they don;t and only insult that sunnah ? is that okay in islam ?

They lied on both quran and sunnah .. so they have reached the maximum level of lies .. they can easly lie about anything .. like history .. so lying is same as the air that they breath
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They have there own views on the Quran and they actually have there own sunnah - you can call it a lie if you want -
 

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