Iran - Bush - Your Views

Keltoi said:
How can that be accomplished with the current Iranian president? I don't see how. Unless he suddenly has a change of heart and acknowledges Israel's right to exist.
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Regardless of what you think, Iran won't attack Israel they are not so stupid. If he didn't say such a thing, do you think U.S would not be planning to go in? :rolleyes:
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
LOL - They said the same about IRAQ, you do try my patience matey!!!!!

*breathes in, breathes out...
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Wait a minute. That is absurd. When did anyone in a position of authority say before GWII there wasn't going to be an attack on Iraq. What do you think the point of the US and UK seeking UN resolutions were? What do you think the vote in Congress was for? What do you think the public negotiations with Turkey to permit entry of the 4th US Inf Division were?

What exactly are you breathing in and out there? It isn't the smoke of an herbaceous substance from Oaxaca is it?
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;

The Iranian president just uses words, but Israel has proved to be the more aggressive nation in the way it deals with others.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.

Eric
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Eric;

The Iranians don't just "use words". Where do you think Hezbollah gets their rockets?

Have you forgotten the mining of the Persian Gulf? The bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, or the US Embassy?

The Iranians supplied the Bosnian Serbs with weapons and training.

Yes, Israel is vigorous in it's defence. That might have something to do with the fact they are surrounded by 100,000,000 Arabs, many of whom tried to exterminate them in a concerted fashion on at least three occasions and try to do it on an ad hoc basis regularly.
 
Cognescenti said:
Wait a minute. That is absurd. When did anyone in a position of authority say before GWII there wasn't going to be an attack on Iraq. What do you think the point of the US and UK seeking UN resolutions were? What do you think the vote in Congress was for? What do you think the public negotiations with Turkey to permit entry of the 4th US Inf Division were?

What exactly are you breathing in and out there? It isn't the smoke of an herbaceous substance from Oaxaca is it?
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Erm they failed to find any reason to go in, fabricated evidence does not count. So, this to me means they had no right to go in, just as they have no right in Iran, let them dare to go though.....
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Erm they failed to find any reason to go in, fabricated evidence does not count. So, this to me means they had no right to go in, just as they have no right in Iran, let them dare to go though.....
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That is a complete non sequitur.

You said in your previous post that the US pretended it wasn't going to attack Iraq, then it dit. Now you are talking about a "right" to attack.

Trying to carry on a discussion with you is like trying to read documents that have been put through a shredder.
 
Eric H said:
Greetings and peace be with you Keltoi;

The Iranian president just uses words, but Israel has proved to be the more aggressive nation in the way it deals with others.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth.

Eric
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Agreed.

Remember, Iran is not the nation occupying its neighbours, Israel is. Israel has been occupying Palestinian land since 1967. Israel has not even spared the Holy Al Aqsa, they have dug underneath it and are bulldozing around it in what appears to be part of a bigger plan. Israel also drives Palestinians out their homes, bulldozes their homes and refuses to recognise Palestine's right to exist. Israeli "settlers" in Palestinian land are downright rude and harass the Palestinians, even their children.

How can the world expect Hamas to recognise Israel's right to exist when Israel doesnt recognise Palestine's right to exist.

Remove Israeli occupation of the lands it captured in 1967, ackonowledge Palestine's right to exist, leave Al Aqsa alone completely, that means no restrictions on Muslims on their right to visit Al Aqsa whenever they please. (Currently Israel doesnt allow Muslims under 45 to go into Al Aqsa-Israel needs to back off, seriously) Then peace can go further for diplomatic relations with the 1948 Israel and Palestinians can return to their homes, occupation free. I dont know how the West, actually i should just say US since EU doesnt really support Israel, can frown on occupation and facism while supporting Israeli occupation. Israel also built a wall in West bank, deliberately seperating families and stopping Palestinians from going to work and entering East Jerusalem, which will return to Palestinian control Insha'Allah. God knows how bad the situation is for Palestinians. The Iranian president doesnt have plans to attack Israel, but Israel has plans to attack Iran, actions speak louder than words.
 
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Goku said:
Agreed.

Remember, Iran is not the nation occupying its neighbours, Israel is. Israel has been occupying Palestinian land since 1967. Israel has not even spared the Holy Al Aqsa, they have dug underneath it and are bulldozing around it in what appears to be part of a bigger plan. Israel also drives Palestinians out their homes, bulldozes their homes and refuses to recognise Palestine's right to exist. Israeli "settlers" in Palestinian land are downright rude and harass the Palestinians, even their children.

How can the world expect Hamas to recognise Israel's right to exist when Israel doesnt recognise Palestine's right to exist.

Remove Israeli occupation of the lands it captured in 1967, ackonowledge Palestine's right to exist, leave Al Aqsa alone completely, that means no restrictions on Muslims on their right to visit Al Aqsa whenever they please. (Currently Israel doesnt allow Muslims under 45 to go into Al Aqsa-Israel needs to back off, seriously) Then peace can go further for diplomatic relations with the 1948 Israel and Palestinians can return to their homes, occupation free. I dont know how the West, actually i should just say US since EU doesnt really support Israel, can frown on occupation and facism while supporting Israeli occupation. Israel also built a wall in West bank, deliberately seperating families and stopping Palestinians from going to work and entering East Jerusalem, which will return to Palestinian control Insha'Allah. God knows how bad the situation is for Palestinians. The Iranian president doesnt have plans to attack Israel, but Israel has plans to attack Iran, actions speak louder than words.
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Goku;

You do realize there was something on the Temple Mount before the Dome of the Rock was built, don't you?
 
Cognescenti said:
That is a complete non sequitur.

You said in your previous post that the US pretended it wasn't going to attack Iraq, then it dit. Now you are talking about a "right" to attack.

Trying to carry on a discussion with you is like trying to read documents that have been put through a shredder.
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I'm just making it up as I go along, just like your government....
 
Cognescenti said:
Goku;

You do realize there was something on the Temple Mount before the Dome of the Rock was built, don't you?
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Yes, the Jewish temple. However, the Romans destroyed it in the first century, 5 centuries before the birth of Prophet Muhammad PBUH, and the destruction of the Jewish temple was also prophesied by Jesus PBUH. However that doesnt mean Jews can destroy the holy Al Aqsa Mosque because 2,000 years ago they had a temple situated there.
 
Goku said:
Yes, the Jewish temple. However, the Romans destroyed it in the first century, 5 centuries before the birth of Prophet Muhammad PBUH, and the destruction of the Jewish temple was also prophesied by Jesus PBUH. However that doesnt mean Jews can destroy the holy Al Aqsa Mosque because 2,000 years ago they had a temple situated there.
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And there was Christian chapel for some time as well...but that is another story.

I agree they should not destroy the Al Aqsa Mosque..but there are sizable remnants of the walls and other architectural items, some of which are deemed so holy that even observant Jews aren't supposed to go there. You can see what the problem is. If your claim is one of most recent occupancy, then someone else can trump your claim historically. After all, I don't think the Romans asked the Jew's permission.

Israel will never cede sole authority over the historical heart of Jerusalem to practitioners of Islam. Just like you wouldn't want Jews running the Al Aqsa Mosque. You guys are going to have to cool your rhetoric and just get along.

If you want to be angry at someone, then perhaps you could save some for the incompetent Arab armies and leaders who tried 4 times to wipe Israel from the map..and failed very badly.
 
Israel shouldn't exist, but it is a reality now. It should never have been created. It was a really stupid move and the result MUST have been foreseeable. But now that it exists removing it would just compound problems, not fix anything.

So if anybody is to blame, it isn't the Israelis of today. It is those who founded Israel in the past. Wasn't tht the Brittish? Or the Americans? I forget which.
 
Re: Iran - Bush - THE LATEST!!

Israel denies report it is planning an Iran attack

24 Feb 2007 12:12:58 GMT

Source: Reuters


JERUSALEM, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Israel's deputy defence minister denied on Saturday that Israel was in talks with the United States to use Iraqi airspace as part of possible plans to attack Iranian nuclear sites.

Britain's Daily Telegraph, citing an unnamed senior Israeli defence official, said on Saturday that Israel had sought permission from the U.S. Pentagon to be able to use an "air corridor" in Iraq in the event that the Jewish state decided to launch air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.

"We are planning for every eventuality, and sorting out issues such as these (airspace passage) are crucially important," the Daily Telegraph quoted the Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, as saying.

"If we don't sort these issues out now we could have a situation where American and Israeli war planes start shooting at each other," he added, according to the newspaper's Web site.

Asked if Israel had turned to the U.S. to use Iraqi airspace in any possible attack, Ephraim Sneh told Israel Radio: "No such approach has been made -- that is clear."

"Those who do not want to take political, diplomatic, economic steps against Iran are diverting attention to the mission we are supposedly said to be conducting," Sneh said.

"(They) are anxious to spread the idea that we are planning to attack Iran in order to absolve themselves of the need to do the things that have been requested of them," he added.

Israel and the West accuse Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons under the guise of a civilian atomic power programme, which Tehran denies.

Iran has said it wants to negotiate with the Europeans and even the United States but has refused to halt its nuclear enrichment activities as a pre-condition for talks.

Israel, widely believed to have the Middle East's only nuclear arsenal, sent warplanes to bomb an atomic reactor in Iraq in 1981.

Neither Israel nor the United States has ruled out military force on Iran, although Washington says its priority is to reach a diplomatic solution.

Israeli strategic analysts have said it would go against Israeli military doctrine to seek U.S. permission for any possible strike on Iran given the need for total secrecy.

U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney said on Saturday that the United States and its allies must not allow Iran to become a nuclear power.

The five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council plus Germany will meet in London next week to discuss possible further steps in addition to U.N. sanctions barring the transfer of nuclear technology and know-how that were imposed in December.
 
They will be putting their hands into the bees hive when they attack. It will be like world war 3 only worse!

It will happen if Allah so wills!

Gur Fateh
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
They will be putting their hands into the bees hive when they attack. It will be like world war 3 only worse!

It will happen if Allah so wills!

Gur Fateh
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What is the exclamation point for? You sound like you are looking forward to it. It would indeed be a frightening event. Every country with a US or Israeli embassy or an US or Israeli business would have something to worry about. And there would likely be worldwide economic repercussions. Iran would shortly have no air defence system, no electrical grid, no power plants, no hydroelectric dams, no working oil infrastructure, no navy, no air force. Yeah..it sounds like a blast.

This does bring an interesting theological question. Do you really mean to say that Allah would, in some fashion, command the Israeli PM to order an attack?

After all, he most certainly qualifies as an infidel, no?
 

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